payback462 0 #51 March 20, 2003 Quote I have respect for anyone who dies for what they believe in uhm, hello? those terrorists who flew planes into buildings died for what they belived in. so you respect them too?? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
wmw999 2,445 #52 March 20, 2003 Quotethose terrorists who flew planes into buildings died for what they belived in. so you respect them too?? It's possible to respect their passion and dedication, without thinking there was anything whatsoever that was right about it. It's also possible to think that Adolf Hitler was a brilliant orator, without thinking he was right. And I think it's very sad that a 23-year-old woman lost her life trying to stand for something she thought was important. But maybe not as senseless as if she'd died in a drunk driving accident. But still senseless. We're not in charge of assigning senselessness to things. It's kind of like our deciding which particular translation of the Bible God likes best. How arrogant. Wendy W.There is nothing more dangerous than breaking a basic safety rule and getting away with it. It removes fear of the consequences and builds false confidence. (tbrown) Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
payback462 0 #53 March 20, 2003 dieing trying to save somebodys house is senseless, no matter what the circumstanses Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Gravitymaster 0 #54 March 20, 2003 Possible Protester Dies in Golden Gate Bridge Leap Wed Mar 19, 8:55 PM ET Add Top Stories - Reuters to My Yahoo! SAN FRANCISCO (Reuters) - A man who may have been protesting the looming U.S. war on Iraq (news - web sites) plunged to his death from San Francisco's famed Golden Gate Bridge on Wednesday, officials said. The unidentified man, who handed authorities a statement before jumping, survived the initial fall into the frigid San Francisco Bay but died soon after Coast Guard rescuers scooped him up and rushed him to shore for treatment, police said. "He jumped, he wasn't pushed," said California Highway Patrol spokesman Wayne Ziese, who called the death a suicide. "Apparently he had a statement to give to police and jumped." There were few other details available about the 40-year-old male as the law enforcement agency said it does not release any information regarding suicide cases. Earlier in the day, authorities had said the man slipped or jumped while hanging a banner on one of the bridge towers protesting a U.S. war on Iraq. But U.S. Coast Guard (news - web sites) Chief Petty Dan Brophy later said rescue workers so far had not found the banner indicating the man was a protester. The soaring span connecting San Francisco and the Marin Headlands represents one of the top spots in the nation for suicides. Of the 1,000 people who have jumped off the 225 foot- (69 meter-) span only about 15 have survived. Anti-war sentiment is strong in the San Francisco Bay Area, where tens of thousands of protesters marched last weekend to rally against military action. The death of the man in his 30s, however, would be the first related to the latest protests over the U.S.-led war against Iraqi leader Saddam Hussein (news - web sites). QuoteI really feel sorry for this guy. Another example of giving your life for what you believe in Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
falxori 0 #55 March 20, 2003 here are a couple of pics, just to give a sense of how big this machine is (compare it to the tank behind it) and that its very likely that the operator couldn't see what people blame him for seeing and ignoring. O "Carpe diem, quam minimum credula postero." Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
TB99 0 #56 March 20, 2003 QuotePeople who are willing to die for their cause are not idiots.. but I find it very hard to believe it was worth it for this cause. Civil rights? yeah probably... houses on the gaza strip? probably not. Wow, I don't see how so many can dismiss the fact that houses on Gaza Strip being demolished is not a big thing. Think of this ... you live in the city of, say, Philidelphia. Now, imagine New York coming in with a bunch of bulldozers plowing down neighborhood after neighborhood. One house at a time. How would you feel if it was your neighborhood? How would you feel about all your friends and families who's houses you know are next? What if this went on for years, one city at a time in Pennsylvania? Think of their point of view ... they've taken out A LOT (millions) of houses over the last half century, and their group was trying to make a difference to save FAMILIES. May she rest in peace ... No offense to those in PA, it was a totally random choice for me to use as an example. Edited to fix typo. Trailer 11/12 was the best. Thanks for the memories ... you guys rocked! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
fudd 0 #57 March 20, 2003 ...and after the Israel army has demolished their houses they bomb the unarmed palestinian refugee camps with F-16s and fighter choppers... Who are the real terrorists.... There are only 10 types of people in the world. Those who understand binary, and those who don't. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Gravitymaster 0 #58 March 20, 2003 Quote ...and after the Israel army has demolished their houses they bomb the unarmed palestinian refugee camps with F-16s and fighter choppers... Who are the real terrorists.... The Palestinians, no question. There have been many times Isreal has tried over and over to make peace with the Palestinians if they will stop the homicide bombings, including offering Arafat 95% of the land he wanted. Arafat turned the deal down over a few blocks he wanted included instead of being willing to compromise. 95% and no more homicide bomberings and Arafat turns it down. Why? Isreals policy is basically: "No homicide bombings and we have peace. Start homicide bombing and we will come in and start arresting people and destroying homes. It is the Palestinians who choose there fate. Unfortunately the only thing Isreal has ever found willl stop the bombings is returning the aggression. The Palestinians can have peace whenever they choose. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
rhino 0 #59 March 20, 2003 QuoteIt's possible to respect their passion and dedication, Not in my book.. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
rhino 0 #60 March 20, 2003 Quote...and after the Israel army has demolished their houses they bomb the unarmed palestinian refugee camps with F-16s and fighter choppers... This happens because WHACKO SUICIDE ASSHOLES keep strapping dynamite to themselves and blowing themselves up killing innocent civilians on busses and such. My God.. Rhino Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Tonto 1 #61 March 20, 2003 Pipe.It's the year of the Pig. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
SkyDekker 1,465 #62 March 20, 2003 Quotedieing trying to save somebodys house is senseless, no matter what the circumstanses The passengers of the plane that crashed in Pensylvania during September 11th, 2001 in all likelihood saved some one's house, whether it was their daytime "house" or their night time "house". I certainly would not call that act senseless..... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
falxori 0 #63 March 20, 2003 Quote ...and after the Israel army has demolished their houses they bomb the unarmed palestinian refugee camps with F-16s and fighter choppers... forget the fact that you're simply wrong. don't you think you are being a little bit simplistic about it all? it is the same as saying that every palestinian mother gives birth to 10 children raising them to become human bombs. there are some, who indeed see it as great honor, but definitely not all. the fact is that the targeted structures are either houses of mass murderers or factories that are used for making rockets (which are used against us all the time). turning it into "demolishing neighbourhood after neighbourhood" is a bit to much, not to mention completely wrong. O "Carpe diem, quam minimum credula postero." Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
payback462 0 #64 March 20, 2003 QuoteThe passengers of the plane that crashed in Pensylvania during September 11th, 2001 in all likelihood saved some one's house, whether it was their daytime "house" or their night time "house". I certainly would not call that act senseless..... yeah me neither, because they saved LIVES not PROPERTY! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
rhino 0 #65 March 20, 2003 Quote ...and after the Israel army has demolished their houses they bomb the unarmed palestinian refugee camps with F-16s and fighter choppers... OMG.... Resisting the STRONG urge to speak my mind... They KNEW that they would be used as a human lawn dart to kill many people. What a stupid, non thought out analogy.. OMG!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! The things some of you peeple come up with makes me wonder if common sense is a thing of the past Rhino Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
SkyDekker 1,465 #66 March 20, 2003 QuoteOMG.... Resisting the STRONG urge to speak my mind... Some of us did that when you called that lady stupid. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
wmw999 2,445 #67 March 20, 2003 QuoteThey KNEW that they would be used as a human lawn dart to kill many people. What a stupid, non thought out analogy.. Rhino, thinking differently from you doesn't make someone stupid. It doesn't make someone smart, either. Different people can, in fact, come up with different answers or conclusions, given the same basic set of circumstances. Life is more complicated than arithmetic, and not everyone has all of the answers inside of them already. Wendy W.There is nothing more dangerous than breaking a basic safety rule and getting away with it. It removes fear of the consequences and builds false confidence. (tbrown) Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
SpeedRacer 1 #68 March 20, 2003 Quote Think of this ... you live in the city of, say, Philidelphia. Now, imagine New York coming in with a bunch of bulldozers plowing down neighborhood after neighborhood. One house at a time. How would you feel if it was your neighborhood? How would you feel about all your friends and families who's houses you know are next? What if this went on for years, one city at a time in Pennsylvania? well, (considering the area) if they could take out all those f&*king tollbooths along the way, it might actually be worth it! Speed Racer -------------------------------------------------- Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
SkyDekker 1,465 #69 March 20, 2003 QuoteWhat a stupid, non thought out analogy.. Might be, but then again it was used to get other people to think. To me calling Rachel stupid was not very thought out. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
mouth 0 #70 March 20, 2003 QuotePipe. I've seen you post this several times on several different threads. What exactly are you saying with this word? -- Hot Mama At least you know where you stand even if it is in a pile of shit. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
wmw999 2,445 #71 March 20, 2003 I'm thinking it's a reference to a peace pipe. It's getting hot again. Wendy W.There is nothing more dangerous than breaking a basic safety rule and getting away with it. It removes fear of the consequences and builds false confidence. (tbrown) Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
falxori 0 #72 March 20, 2003 Quote Different people can, in fact, come up with different answers or conclusions, given the same basic set of circumstances the problem is when the "basic set of circumstances" has nothing to do with reality. i'm willing to argue about the effectiveness of destroying a terrorist house on future terrorists. some might join the terror way because they saw a bulldozer smashes a house. but just so you'll know, there are many cases (and that is a solid fact) of terrorists stopped by their families before executing a terror attack, because they know that instead of getting $5000 from sadaam husein (which they do, or at least did) their house is in danger. i'm sorry, but there are very few gentle ways of dealing with terror. and note that i'm talking about terrorists, not innocent people that sometimes get hurt because terrorists unlike army do not wear uniforms and hide in what looks like civilian buildings. O "Carpe diem, quam minimum credula postero." Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
rhino 0 #73 March 20, 2003 QuoteSome of us did that when you called that lady stupid. Don't put words in my mouth.. I called her NUTS.. Learn to read.. Not selective reading ,EVERY word. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
SkyDekker 1,465 #74 March 20, 2003 Quotesome might join the terror way because they saw a bulldozer smashes a house. but just so you'll know, there are many cases (and that is a solid fact) of terrorists stopped by their families before executing a terror attack, because they know that instead of getting $5000 from sadaam husein (which they do, or at least did) their house is in danger. And I am sure that is a valid point. This lady was doing something that had been successfully done in the past and had stopped (albeit only in the short run) bulldozers from destroying homes. This time something went wrong and she got killed. Whether or not I agree with her beliefs, it still does not warrant calling her stuping IMHO. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
SkyDekker 1,465 #75 March 20, 2003 QuoteDon't put words in my mouth.. I called her NUTS.. Learn to read.. Not selective reading ,EVERY word. My apologies for misquoting you, so you called her NUTS [sarcasm]well that just changed everything [/sarcasm] Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
