Muenkel 0 #26 March 20, 2003 JT, Did you mean to say you don't like war? My .02 on these threads simply is that I really don't believe anyone here likes or wants war. Where folks part company is whether or not they believe this is a just war. We can all argue it until the cows come home, the bottom line is...it has begun. Now is the time to unite as a country and support our Commander in Chief. And to the folks who feel the need to protest either way...please don't do anything that will take our law enforcement officers attention. At this time, we are at a high risk of both domestic and international terrorism. We need our police officers to be able to focus all their attention on protecting all American Citizens. BTW JT, this post was not totally directed towards you. Chris _________________________________________ Chris Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
skybytch 273 #27 March 20, 2003 QuoteYeah, go light one up you hippy. Dude. She's a rocket scientist. I really kinda doubt "lighting one up" is a part of her daily routine. What part of "no personal attacks" is unclear? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
jtval 0 #28 March 20, 2003 yea ! actually, I edited it as you were typing this! My photos My Videos Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
billvon 2,995 #29 March 20, 2003 >Now is the time to unite as a country and support our Commander in Chief. Actually it's time to support our troops as they fight for us; they, not the president, are risking their lives for us. As for unconditional support of our president I will defer to someone who's much more of an expert on presidency than any of us: "To announce that there must be no criticism of the president, or that we are to stand by the president, right or wrong, is not only unpatriotic and servile, but is morally treasonable to the American Public." - Theodore Roosevelt Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
wmw999 2,452 #30 March 20, 2003 QuoteI do (edit to add the following word)NOT like war and I want all of my friends /bro's + sis' in arms to come home unscathed. but the world is what the world is. I can go on with enjoying my life but those that simply went to work that day cant JT, thanks for posting that by the way. It's hard to disagree with an honest statement. You know, I saw the original (without the NOT), and just read it the way you intended it originally. Wendy W.There is nothing more dangerous than breaking a basic safety rule and getting away with it. It removes fear of the consequences and builds false confidence. (tbrown) Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Muenkel 0 #31 March 20, 2003 I respectfully disagree with you Bill. Yes, you do have the right to voice your opinion about the President as do all Americans. I am just saying that for the good of our troops and all of our citizens, it is better and more prudent to show a united front. We are now at war. I guess the thing I fear the most is domestic terrorism. We don't need another Tim McVeigh taking out their frustrations on another federal building. It does not take much to incite one of these whackos. Just my thoughts. Chris _________________________________________ Chris Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
DJL 235 #32 March 20, 2003 QuoteWhat part of "no personal attacks" is unclear? The humor clause. Must be a little foggy."I encourage all awesome dangerous behavior." - Jeffro Fincher Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
AggieDave 6 #33 March 20, 2003 Whoa, whoa, whoa! I go up to the DZ, come back to this thread and its gone from some mild humor to a full on war discussion with personal attacks. Damn, people, lighten the fuck up!--"When I die, may I be surrounded by scattered chrome and burning gasoline." Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kallend 2,027 #34 March 20, 2003 Quote>Now is the time to unite as a country and support our Commander in Chief. Actually it's time to support our troops as they fight for us; they, not the president, are risking their lives for us. As for unconditional support of our president I will defer to someone who's much more of an expert on presidency than any of us: "To announce that there must be no criticism of the president, or that we are to stand by the president, right or wrong, is not only unpatriotic and servile, but is morally treasonable to the American Public." - Theodore Roosevelt "America goes not abroad in search of monsters to destroy…. She well knows that by once enlisting under other banners than her own, were they even the banners of foreign independence, she would involve herself, beyond the powers of extrication, in all the wars of interest and intrigue, of individual avarice, envy, and ambition which assume the colors and usurp the standard of freedom…. She might become the dictatress of the world; she would no longer be the ruler of her own spirit." (John Quincy Adams, July 4, 1821)... The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
jtval 0 #35 March 20, 2003 HAHA! its b/c you went to the dz dammit! lol we are all blue-balled for altitude! My photos My Videos Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Gawain 0 #36 March 20, 2003 Quote>Now is the time to unite as a country and support our Commander in Chief. Actually it's time to support our troops as they fight for us; they, not the president, are risking their lives for us. As for unconditional support of our president I will defer to someone who's much more of an expert on presidency than any of us: "To announce that there must be no criticism of the president, or that we are to stand by the president, right or wrong, is not only unpatriotic and servile, but is morally treasonable to the American Public." - Theodore Roosevelt I agree. Criticism does not equal non-patriotism. Even Daschle, while expressing pretty tough frustration, supports our troops, supports the President and the success of the mission. If you support our troops, then supporting our President, even if critical of his actions, it is not a bad thing. Since our troops are following the command of our President, it does, in fact make sense to support him, and make sure that his decisions are conducive to swift resolution of this conflict, that supports our troops too.So I try and I scream and I beg and I sigh Just to prove I'm alive, and it's alright 'Cause tonight there's a way I'll make light of my treacherous life Make light! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
SpeedRacer 1 #37 March 20, 2003 Educational video about those hippy dippy lefty peaceniks. Speed Racer -------------------------------------------------- Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Muenkel 0 #38 March 20, 2003 Quotethey, not the president, are risking their lives for us. Considering the number of Presidents that have been assasinated and the number of attempted assasinations, I would disagree with this statement. Chris _________________________________________ Chris Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Muenkel 0 #39 March 20, 2003 Terrence, that was funny!Chris _________________________________________ Chris Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
DJL 235 #40 March 20, 2003 Don't worry, Wendy and I PM'd and she knows I'm kidding. I'm sure Lisa suspected it but is sick of everyone getting on each other about Iraq. Um....if you go to the DZ and I'm stuck at work. Don't rub it in, jerk. Especially since I can't jump this weekend. Ok, back to peacenik/warmonger bashing. Edit: Speaking of locked threads. Where's Thomas?"I encourage all awesome dangerous behavior." - Jeffro Fincher Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
billvon 2,995 #41 March 20, 2003 >I am just saying that for the good of our troops and all of our > citizens, it is better and more prudent to show a united front. I agree, I just think that "showing a united front" does not equal "agreeing with everything the president says and does." As an example, cops are not always perfect. Sometimes they're crooked, and sometimes they abuse their authority. But if I see a cop fighting someone, I'm going to be on the cops side, every time. And if I'm on a jury deliberating the fate of someone who shot a cop, and I think they did it, I'm going to vote to throw the book at them. I'm going to do all this even if I discover that another cop somewhere beat up someone just because he was black. At the same time, there's no way I'm going to agree with the racist cop just because, in general, I support the police. Same thing here. I support the president and our troops. I will continue to voice my opinion about the decisions he makes, or has made, or is planning to make. The two are not opposites. >I guess the thing I fear the most is domestic terrorism. We don't > need another Tim McVeigh taking out their frustrations on another > federal building. It does not take much to incite one of these > whackos. Why do you think that this is more likely during wartime, or more permissible during peacetime? The Oklahoma City bombing occurred in 1995; during the war in 1991, McVeigh was serving his country. Criticizing him is not the same as not supporting our military. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
VectorBoy 0 #42 March 20, 2003 Quote>punch them(preferably someone the care deeply about) in the > mouth. if they hit you back or get angry or defend themselves...ask > why? What do you tell them if they just hold you down then call the cops? And what do you tell the cops? That the guy made some ant law enforcement comments and after loosing some good friends who also happen to be police in the attacks of 9-11 you couldn't contain yourself and lost control. your sorry and it won't happen again. you are ashamed and will be going home promptly Now thats diplomacy. oh and have all witnesses on your side. Glen Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
billvon 2,995 #43 March 20, 2003 >That the guy made some ant law enforcement comments . . . So in other words you lie. Well, I guess that's a good analogy after all. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
SkyDekker 1,465 #44 March 20, 2003 Quote So in other words you lie. Well, I guess that's a good analogy after all. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
wmw999 2,452 #45 March 20, 2003 He shoots, he scores. Wendy W.There is nothing more dangerous than breaking a basic safety rule and getting away with it. It removes fear of the consequences and builds false confidence. (tbrown) Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
nacmacfeegle 0 #46 March 20, 2003 "So in other words you lie. Well, I guess that's a good analogy after all. " Dare I say...touche... -------------------- He who receives an idea from me, receives instruction himself without lessening mine; as he who lights his taper at mine, receives light without darkening me. Thomas Jefferson Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Muenkel 0 #47 March 20, 2003 Quote>I guess the thing I fear the most is domestic terrorism. We don't > need another Tim McVeigh taking out their frustrations on another > federal building. It does not take much to incite one of these > whackos. Why do you think that this is more likely during wartime, or more permissible during peacetime? The Oklahoma City bombing occurred in 1995; during the war in 1991, McVeigh was serving his country. Criticizing him is not the same as not supporting our military. I think you misunderstood what I meant here. During a time of war, as we both know, tensions run high on both sides of the issues. We're in such a volatile situation, I don't want anyone to incite any of the extremists on either side. I used Timothy McVeigh as an example of what a whacko extremist is capable of. Of course it is not permissable during peacetime and yes these whackos can attack at anytime. I guess I am talking about taking individual responsibility at this time of great uncertainty. It does not matter which side of the issue you are on. It reminds me of advice Sangiro gave in regard to posting my thoughts. He told me at one time to take a break before hitting my post reply button. After the break, re-read it and then decide if it is truly what I wanted to say. I have used this advice many, many times and have deleted many posts. BTW, even though I did vote for GWB and I do tend to vote Republican does not mean I did not look at the evidence of this crisis very closely. I still am in turmoil over the current situation and pray about it everyday. However, I acknowledge that our government is privy to a lot more information than I am and I have decided to back their decision. Chris _________________________________________ Chris Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
jraf 0 #48 March 20, 2003 Hey the fact that I am against the war does not mean that my S&W is not loaded with Hydrashocks. Hit me, make my day jraf Me Jungleman! Me have large Babalui. Muff #3275 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
VectorBoy 0 #49 March 20, 2003 Quote>That the guy made some ant law enforcement comments . . . So in other words you lie. Well, I guess that's a good analogy after all. Yah you are right Bill, but what would you say that this guy was minding his own business and you popped him, That you are dangerous, needed to be locked up and could they please take you to the tank for a proper cornholing now ? OOOOOoowwwww! You say what you want but HELL yes I would lie! Need I remind you that the initial statement was hypothetical? Glen Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest #50 March 20, 2003 QuoteIt seems that people who spend all of their time preparing for violence find a lot more of it. Wendy W. That's one of those "Truths of Life" that some people don't seem to get."The mouse does not know life until it is in the mouth of the cat." Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
