kmcguffee 0 #251 March 15, 2003 QuoteI never said (go back and read slowly, mouth the words if you have toi can be just as insulting as you.) i would kill over MJ. OK, you said: Quoteactually i will not go to jail for any reason. ever. I will die defending my freedom from those who would take it from me no matter what I “did”. This entire post is about whether MJ should be legal or not. You are equating being able to smoke MJ as exercising your "personal freedom". You stated you would kill to keep your "personal freedom" from being taken away. Therefore, you would kill to keep someone from preventing you from smoking MJ. Please explain how I have misread your posts. "Any fool can criticize, condemn and complain and most fools do." Ben Franklin Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
LouDiamond 1 #252 March 15, 2003 QuoteI never said (go back and read slowly, mouth the words if you have toi can be just as insulting as you.) i would kill over MJ. I said i would kill to protect my personal freedom from anyone who tries to take it from me. I have to agree with KM here. I too understood your statement to mean you would indeed kill over MJ. I don't think personal freedom has ever been a main topic of discussion in the manner that you are now speaking of. It was understood that you were talking about freedom in terms of MJ useage."It's just skydiving..additional drama is not required" Some people dream about flying, I live my dream SKYMONKEY PUBLISHING Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
rhino 0 #253 March 15, 2003 Quote....."bad boys bad boys, whatcha gonna do zenister when they come for you?" I haven't laughed that hard in a LONG TIME!!! Well done.. lol Rhino Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Zenister 0 #254 March 15, 2003 alright to clarify my position then since it doesnt seem to have come across very well I obey all laws I find to be fair and just. I will break any law that i do not find fair or just that interferes with the exercise of my personal rights. IF the goverment decided that my actions were so offensive to its conduct as to send its minions (people doing their jobs) to prevent me from continuing to do so, and thereby take away my ability to sleep under the stars and wander where and when i wish (freedom) i use any and all means at my disposal to prevent that from occuring up to and including killing anyone trying to imprision me. as i said a while ago (the initial thread is certainly about MJ on the DZ) which i think most have agreed is a bad thing since as a business a DZ is not in a position to take a political stance not directly related to the conduct of that business however we have long since moved beyond the original topic and into the root causes for the problems that spawned this post ie. Freedom of choice and self determination. (why some things are bad and yet legal while others egually or less bad are not) i'm pretty sure i've repeated several times that MY point is that the goverment is far to involved in the rights of the individual to use and abuse their lives & bodies in any manner they wish so long as it does not interfere with the rights of others. i personally blame this on the lack of new frontiers, that used to allow those who could not tolerate the levels od social control inflicted apon them to move away from the 'herd' and live in peace. yet another reason we need to get back into space ASAP..if given the choice i would leave this planet and all its petty arguments and controls in an instant, to walk a new land and experience its wonders without anyones rules and regulations yeah i dream alot, so sue me Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
jfields 0 #255 March 15, 2003 QuoteIF the goverment decided that my actions were so offensive to its conduct as to send its minions (people doing their jobs) to prevent me from continuing to do so, and thereby take away my ability to sleep under the stars and wander where and when i wish (freedom) i use any and all means at my disposal to prevent that from occuring up to and including killing anyone trying to imprision me. You're missing an important point. Your right to wander where and when you wish, as you define freedom, is a myth. You are conveniently forgetting about my rights, and the rights of the other people in the country. If your "wish" is to wander into my house, or to camp out on my lawn without at least asking permission, expect me to call the cops, at the very least. Expect me to take your intrusion in a less than friendly manner, with appropriate repercussions. Your freedoms (of any kind) are no more important than mine. They are no more imporant than Lou's, or Richard's , or any of the other people disagreeing with you in this thread. That is what I said before about equality. The best anyone can expect is fair and equal treatment under the laws. If you don't like the laws, either use your vote to help change them, or just leave. You don't have a personal exemption. If you feel that you are entitled to resist and kill police officers as a form of civil disobediance, protest, or in defense of your "rights", I suggest you review the meanings of "citizenship", "law", "honor", and "democracy". You could learn something, and potentially save your own life. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Zenister 0 #256 March 15, 2003 did you miss the part about "does not interfere with the freedoms of another"?? certainly seems like it.. edit: ok i forgot that statement in that post, but it certainly in several more before it..yes camping out on your land without your permission is a violation of your rights and i fully condone and support you calling the cops to have them removed ive already stated "democracy is tyranny by the masses" it may be the best system going but its got it share of problems as well, and have stated my veiw of "citizenship" you may think the rights of a society are more important than the rights of the individual, but i think its obvious which i find more important. i've also never argued that my freedom is more important than any one elses. I have argued that so long as my exercise of my freedom does not interfere with yours the goverment should remain uninvolved. as to honor? lets start another thread and argue over that definition____________________________________ Those who fail to learn from the past are simply Doomed. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
wmw999 2,460 #257 March 15, 2003 I sent a PM about good post, and I stand by it. The one thing to point out is how critical the part about the lack of frontiers is. The closer together people live, the more they have to trust each other that their freedoms and boundaries don't intersect. And, therefore, the more you have to trust both that someone else isn't out to get you, and that if a mistake is made, that it's a mistake. It seems like the more defensive people are about their space, the more likely they are to see accidental intrusion as deliberate. So we're trusting you zenister . Wendy W. There is nothing more dangerous than breaking a basic safety rule and getting away with it. It removes fear of the consequences and builds false confidence. (tbrown) Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Jimbo 0 #258 March 15, 2003 Quotedid you miss the part about "does not interfere with the freedoms of another"?? certainly seems like it.. Interesting, in an earlier post you said "My personal freedom is more important than their lives. " and then you said "when their freedoms imperil mine, mine take precedence. ". So what it is? You'll allow us our freedoms, our right to be free from you? Or do your freedoms take precedence over everyone else? - Jim"Like" - The modern day comma Good bye, my friends. You are missed. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
freeflir29 0 #259 March 16, 2003 Quote I haven't seen anyone walk the talk yet. They have all dropped to the floor begging not to be shot. It aint like the movies. It is scary and all of the high ideals take on a new meaning Scary....NO SHIT! I was in a live fire shoot house today. Had rounds zinging literally inches from head. The environment was small and my partner needed to engage a target behind me.(From about 15ft away) It's pretty unerving even when you have confidence that they WON'T hit you. It was fun though.... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
CrazyThomas 0 #260 March 16, 2003 See, what the problem is....."I want a world of perfect peace and harmony. No wars, no disagreement, and no fighting. The biggest trick is that I have the POLICE on my side. So, when your freedoms interfer with mine, I will just cry to my daddy "Uncle Sam" and he will dispense his minions onto your location. After you defend your ideals, and get shot dead for doing so......all us "law-abiding" sheeple will tell each other how we were right, and we are all glad you are gone. You posed a threat to "independent" thinking. Making your own choices? no, no, no. Not in this day and age. We will tell you how to vote, how to act, and how to believe. Anything else will be frowned upon. Wait....I am smoking a bong right now. Never mind me, I am just a "doper". Let's all just freefall!!!!!!!!! Thomas Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
rgoper 0 #261 March 16, 2003 QuoteNever mind me, I am just a "doper" that's exactly what you are, you have no place in, or around the sky with other people. you seem to be proud to be a doper, i'll say this for you, you've got some nerve admitting to that in an open forum. showing off your iq today?--Richard-- "We Will Not Be Shaken By Thugs, And Terroist" Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Zenister 0 #262 March 17, 2003 Quote Quotedid you miss the part about "does not interfere with the freedoms of another"?? certainly seems like it.. Interesting, in an earlier post you said "My personal freedom is more important than their lives. " and then you said "when their freedoms imperil mine, mine take precedence. ". So what it is? You'll allow us our freedoms, our right to be free from you? Or do your freedoms take precedence over everyone else? - Jim explain what it is I am doing to infringe on your freedom. until the hypothetical gestapo showed up i was minding my own business, no harm to anyone with the possible exception of myself (see i like to jump out of/off of things, and wander rather close to the edge of the envelope on occasion, but do so in a manner that harms no one else...which is again the point. leave me to my own devices (which in no way affect your life at all if i can help it) and there is never a problem. Take issue with anything i am doing to exercise my freedom (& possibly endanger myself) and send the minions to come and lock me away (and there by taking away all freedom) and we have a problem.____________________________________ Those who fail to learn from the past are simply Doomed. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
sunman 0 #263 March 17, 2003 Holy crap, I can't believe this thread is still going. Quotethat's exactly what you are, you have no place in, or around the sky with other people. you seem to be proud to be a doper, i'll say this for you, you've got some nerve admitting to that in an open forum. showing off your iq today? Did you see the thread in Talkback going on right now about 7-up and vodka? A whole thread completely devoted to the use of alcohol, mostly for the purpose of getting plastered. What nerve they have. You should probably get on there and tell them that they have no place in the sky. But I guess that's different because it's legal, right? Ever see South Park where Mr. Mackee goes "drugs are bad, m'kay?" It seems like such a simplistic mindset. The fact is, all of us use drugs. Some are legal, some are not. The question is, do you want to decide for yourself which ones you should or shouldn't use, or do you want somebody else deciding for you? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest #264 March 17, 2003 Quote Quote I haven't seen anyone walk the talk yet. They have all dropped to the floor begging not to be shot. It aint like the movies. It is scary and all of the high ideals take on a new meaning Scary....NO SHIT! I was in a live fire shoot house today. Had rounds zinging literally inches from head. The environment was small and my partner needed to engage a target behind me.(From about 15ft away) It's pretty unerving even when you have confidence that they WON'T hit you. It was fun though.... Where are you doing that? FLETC?"The mouse does not know life until it is in the mouth of the cat." Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
christoofar 0 #265 March 17, 2003 Quotethat's bull shit. i mean you don't go call the cops on someone. at the most you may hint to the dzo that it is going on, but that is only if there not cool with it, and let them deal with it. it's one thing to be asked and then tell the truth. and it's another to turn someone in. it's just not right. later If you are witness to a crime and you withhold information by not coming forward to the police, you are just as guilty (in the eyes of the law) as the perpetrator who committed the act. Say for example, if you get pissed off at people who hit people with their cars and then run, why should you be pissed off about someone who witnesses a drug deal and then reports it to the police? ____________________________________________________________ I'm RICK JAMES! Fo shizzle. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
PhillyKev 0 #266 March 17, 2003 Man...I better start making some calls. I saw a bunch of speeders today. I'd better report them all. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
christoofar 0 #267 March 17, 2003 I turn myself in all the time for driving 140MPH to Corpus... but I'm going too fast for the cell phone reception to pick up... ____________________________________________________________ I'm RICK JAMES! Fo shizzle. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
christoofar 0 #268 March 17, 2003 QuoteMan...I better start making some calls. I saw a bunch of speeders today. I'd better report them all. How's my driving? Call 1-800-EAT-SHIT ____________________________________________________________ I'm RICK JAMES! Fo shizzle. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
78RATS 0 #269 March 17, 2003 Quote If you are witness to a crime and you withhold information by not coming forward to the police, you are just as guilty (in the eyes of the law) as the perpetrator who committed the act. Not legally true at all. Rat for Life - Fly till I die When them stupid ass bitches ask why Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
christoofar 0 #270 March 17, 2003 QuoteQuote If you are witness to a crime and you withhold information by not coming forward to the police, you are just as guilty (in the eyes of the law) as the perpetrator who committed the act. Not legally true at all. http://pub.bna.com/cl/195s01.pdf ____________________________________________________________ I'm RICK JAMES! Fo shizzle. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
freeflir29 0 #271 March 18, 2003 Quote Where are you doing that? FLETC? Who? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
CrazyThomas 0 #272 March 18, 2003 Quote Never mind me, I am just a "doper" Quote that's exactly what you are, you have no place in, or around the sky with other people Funny you mention that. I have heard that before. Quote you seem to be proud to be a doper, i'll say this for you, you've got some nerve admitting to that in an open forum It's not nerve. It's lack of a functioning brain. Quote showing off your iq today? What's an IQ? Cheers, Thomas Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
