billvon 3,070 #1 March 6, 2003 From the LAtimes: -------- Facing the possibility of defeat at the United Nations, the Bush administration said Wednesday that it is prepared to consider compromise language for a draft resolution on Iraq to ensure its passage. Britain as well as Mexico and Chile have been quietly working on possible revisions to the bare-bones resolution, which sets the stage for war in Iraq, possibly including giving President Saddam Hussein one final ultimatum. --------- It's good to see that we're willing to work with the other nations of the UN, rather than going it alone. That will make a big difference in the support we get both during and after the war, and will also make a difference in how much we're hated afterwards (and thus how many terrorist attacks we'll see.) Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
AggieDave 6 #2 March 6, 2003 Quotewill also make a difference in how much we're hated afterwards (and thus how many terrorist attacks we'll see.) You do realize though, the organizations that would strke at us in a terrorist fashion already hate us and have probably been plotting more attacks for quite some time. That independent of this, we will see more terror activity.--"When I die, may I be surrounded by scattered chrome and burning gasoline." Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
narcimund 0 #3 March 6, 2003 I think Dave's right. The US has already righteously pissed off just about everyone. It's probably too late to start acting reasonably. First Class Citizen Twice Over Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
AggieDave 6 #4 March 6, 2003 QuoteThe US has already righteously pissed off just about everyone. It's probably too late to start acting reasonably. That's not quite what I was saying, though. Those that are against the US may or may not be for reasons that seem reasonable to us. In other words, it may not be for tangable reasons, caused from our actions, it may be for a certain group's religous convictions.--"When I die, may I be surrounded by scattered chrome and burning gasoline." Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
jerry81 10 #5 March 6, 2003 QuoteIn other words, it may not be for tangable reasons, caused from our actions, it may be for a certain group's religous convictions. Is there a religion based on antiamericanism? 'Cause I'm not aware of any. Those who hate you hate you primarily because of your actions and a war is definitely one of those actions that can cause an increase in terrorist activity. True, even if you don't start a war more terrorist attacks might occur- but if you do start it, they will occur and will probably be a lot worse. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
rhino 0 #6 March 6, 2003 Got to give Bush credit for trying... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Meathorse 0 #7 March 6, 2003 QuoteIs there a religion based on antiamericanism? 'Cause I'm not aware of any. Those who hate you hate you primarily because of your actions That almost makes it sounds like us Americans deserve being blown away. Those who hate us hate us because of their own WARPED perceptions of religeon and our actions. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
AggieDave 6 #8 March 6, 2003 QuoteIs there a religion based on antiamericanism? When a rogue group of Muslims declare a Jihad on America and Americans, then yes, I can say their verison of their religion is based on AntiAmericanism.--"When I die, may I be surrounded by scattered chrome and burning gasoline." Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
wmw999 2,534 #9 March 6, 2003 I didn't read it that way at all. Just because some people hate us for our actions doesn't make them right. And even if our actions are wrong, it doesn't make terrorism justified. A woman who dresses in a slutty manner doesn't deserve to be raped. And rape is never right. Terrorism is never right. That said, I'm glad that we're taking other countries into account. One of our national mottoes is "united we stand, divided we fall" and this applies to the world as well as to the United States. Wendy W.There is nothing more dangerous than breaking a basic safety rule and getting away with it. It removes fear of the consequences and builds false confidence. (tbrown) Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
nacmacfeegle 0 #10 March 6, 2003 "When a rogue group of Muslims declare a Jihad on America and Americans, then yes, " Dave, I'd just like to remind everyone that it is a ROGUE group of extreme fundamentalists we are talking about, not the entire faith of Islam. Lets not allow this to become a Holy War please, despite what we will hear from Mullahs, and various others who stir up this sort of fervour.-------------------- He who receives an idea from me, receives instruction himself without lessening mine; as he who lights his taper at mine, receives light without darkening me. Thomas Jefferson Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
AggieDave 6 #11 March 6, 2003 Yeah, that's why I said "rogue group." I actually know quite a few people who are strong Muslims. Very nice, very peaceful people, they're very sad and angry at what some who claim their faith have done and are saying.--"When I die, may I be surrounded by scattered chrome and burning gasoline." Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
nacmacfeegle 0 #12 March 6, 2003 I hear ya dude, its only going to get worse too..... -------------------- He who receives an idea from me, receives instruction himself without lessening mine; as he who lights his taper at mine, receives light without darkening me. Thomas Jefferson Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
jerry81 10 #13 March 6, 2003 Dave, you got it backwards- that's antiamericanism based on religion. Not that it's that different from what you were saying, but the fact remains that even radical islamists have worldly reasons for hating the US- and you're about to give them another one. And, yeah, what Wendy said. Terrorism is never right. However, I will be among the first to say "Well, what the hell did you expect?" if you start this war and another tower goes down somewhere in the US. Or the UK. Or my servile Vilnius-group country, for that matter. (getting the full-body flame-proof suit out of the closet...) Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
outrager 6 #14 March 6, 2003 QuoteThat said, I'm glad that we're taking other countries into account. One of our national mottoes is "united we stand, divided we fall" and this applies to the world as well as to the United States. The current trend is that the world is indeed uniting - against United States. bsbd! Yuri. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
MC208B 0 #15 March 6, 2003 I think Dave's right. The US has already righteously pissed off just about everyone. It's probably too late to start acting reasonably. Yeah? Well, like they say, fuckem if they can't take a joke Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kallend 2,106 #16 March 6, 2003 QuoteQuoteIs there a religion based on antiamericanism? When a rogue group of Muslims declare a Jihad on America and Americans, then yes, I can say their verison of their religion is based on AntiAmericanism. It looks more to me that the US will declare war on a sovereign nation. In which case, it is silly to expect that they won't strike back at the US. When they do, will they be "terrorists", or "enemy combatants"?... The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Gravitymaster 0 #17 March 6, 2003 QuoteIt looks more to me that the US will declare war on a sovereign nation. In which case, it is silly to expect that they won't strike back at the US. When they do, will they be "terrorists", or "enemy combatants"? Many predict the recent arrests of Al Qaeda Leaders will accelerate any plans for terrorist acts they already have planned. Do you think we should stop arresting Al Qaeda Leaders because of this fear? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
jerry81 10 #18 March 6, 2003 Quote The US has already righteously pissed off just about everyone. It's probably too late to start acting reasonably. LOL...I heard this argument before, but it still cracks me up. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
rgoper 0 #19 March 6, 2003 it is also noteworthy that there are a lot of arabic people in our country, no they don't like what has heppened, no one does. sooner or later the violence should end, better sooner than later. there are extremists in every country, culture and nationality, let's not forget our "brother in arms" Timoth McVey, and the ever goofy "David Koresh" no one's right, and everybody is wrong. (did i just say that?) --Richard-- "We Will Not Be Shaken By Thugs, And Terroist" Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
blewaway5 0 #20 March 6, 2003 Ya know, I'm not really sure how relevant this is, but I feel like saying it. I remember right after the towers came down there was a blurb they showed on tv for a little while that still makes my blood run cold just to think about it. Do you remember it, you know, the one where the people in Palestine were celebrating in the streets? I know that's not representative of every middle eastern muslim person because I'm friends with a couple of people who are arabic muslims, but damn, there sure were a lot of them out there celebrating. Maybe it's not a religion that's teaching to hate, but then again, when you have such a large group of people practicing a form of religion, even if it's not a "pure" form, is it still wrong to be leary of that religion? Truman Sparks for President Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
PhreeZone 20 #21 March 6, 2003 I do believe that was proven to be file footage and not live shots from even that year.Yesterday is history And tomorrow is a mystery Parachutemanuals.com Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
blewaway5 0 #22 March 6, 2003 Really? I hadn't heard that one. I believe if it's true I'd actually feel a little bit better about the world. I guess now I've got to go searching. Truman Sparks for President Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Jessica 0 #23 March 6, 2003 QuoteI do believe that was proven to be file footage and not live shots from even that year. In our extra edition we ran a live shot showing the same thing.Skydiving is for cool people only Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
blewaway5 0 #24 March 6, 2003 All I know is that after a quick search I've found nothing saying that it was file footage while I've found a few things talking about other celebrations happening. *shrug* Like I said, it was a quick search, so it may be file footage and I jsut couldn't find any reference, but there's plenty of other moments of celebration to make up for it. Truman Sparks for President Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kallend 2,106 #25 March 6, 2003 QuoteQuoteIt looks more to me that the US will declare war on a sovereign nation. In which case, it is silly to expect that they won't strike back at the US. When they do, will they be "terrorists", or "enemy combatants"? Many predict the recent arrests of Al Qaeda Leaders will accelerate any plans for terrorist acts they already have planned. Do you think we should stop arresting Al Qaeda Leaders because of this fear? No. But arresting criminals is not the same as going to war.... The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
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