IronMike 0 #1 January 3, 2003 That Senate Majority Leader Bill Frist is being hailed as a hero for offering his assistance at that tragic auto accident? He would be labeled a coward if he drove off or just stood there. Everyone should offer assistance in a case like that. I had a car get t-boned right in front of me a few years back. I stopped, one lady in front was dead and on top of the other live one but there were 2 unbelted kids in the back. A 4 year old boy who was laying like a rag doll with shards of glass in his face and a 4 mont old baby that was unconcious and completly wrapped like a burrito in the C pillar. I can't belive how many people did not stop. It took 5 of us to pry that baby out but it took at least 10 minutes for enough people to stop. And this was in Texas (Near Sherman) where people are supposed to be helpful..... We have a warped sense of duty in this country.....big time.... Mike I still am bothered by what I saw that day. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
billvon 2,991 #2 January 3, 2003 >That Senate Majority Leader Bill Frist is being hailed as a hero for offering >his assistance at that tragic auto accident? I think it's an indication that he's a good guy, of the type that would stop and help someone in need. >I can't belive how many people did not stop. That's why he's being seen as a hero. He did stop. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
coconutmonkey 0 #3 January 3, 2003 Ironmike, Good that you stopped and did what you could. Too bad not everyone feels that they can help in those situations and does more than rubberneck as they go by. The Sen did what all of us should do but few will. Not a hero, just someone who cared enough to do the right thing (rare thing among politicans). p.s. I've stopped several times at these things. The worst ones will never be gone from memory. Pass that on to your friends who would risk other or themselves on the roads.Hearts & Minds 2 to the Heart- 1 to the Mind- Home of the Coconut Lounge, Spa, & Artillery Range Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
harro 0 #4 January 3, 2003 The reason some people don't stop is that they are afaid of getting sued. In the Australian Navy, during first aid they are taught not to stop for accidents!!!!Jumpy Jumpy?? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
IronMike 0 #5 January 3, 2003 I have a very disturbing power point presentation about a girl that was injured in a DUI crash in TX that my company sent all of us. It is too big to attach but if anyone wants it, PM me and I will email it to you. It will make you think twice about drinking and driving and, better yet, mabye stop a friend from doing it. I had 2 recent incidents in my life that involved drinking and driving. One involved me and one somebody I care deeply about. No serious consequences other than bent metal resulted, but that was by the grace of God. Drunks are too impaired to know or care to know they shouldn't be driving. I had friends that knew I shouldnt drive and did nothing, as I did nothing for my friend. It scared me sober. Im also going to be the biggest asshole at the bar when a friend of mine wants to drive after drinking. Another bonus, I have lost 15 pounds since I quit drinking beer.....I don't miss it. Mike Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
newshooter12 0 #6 January 3, 2003 The safest thing a person can do is GET HELP!! (professional help) and as quickly as you can. (cell phone, call box, CB, whatever) I've called in accidents before... granted nothing deadly or bloody. IMO it is very sad that the people that are willing to help where they can without hurting anyone in the process open themselves up to lawsuits for their kindness. Matt Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
quatorze 1 #7 January 3, 2003 Quote I think it's an indication that he's a good guy, of the type that would stop and help someone in need. Knowing the man personally I have to agree with this, yes he is a good guy, but he is also bound by the hypocratic oath, he is Sen Bill Frist M.D. So in answer to Newsshooter, yup, as a former emergency professional, yes I agree, but you should first ensure that there is no immediate danfer to the victim or youself if you help, (ie unconcious victim lying in the road, can you safely move them without becoming another problem?) But yes GET PROFESIONAL HELP, Sen Frist, however, is a pro- see above I'm not afriad of dying, I'm afraid of never really living- Erin Engle Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Faber 0 #8 January 3, 2003 ...Afaird of getting sued if they help(know it is if they do somthing wrong). In Denmark its the uppersit.You Will get sued if you dont help(unless you are drunk,cours then its like drunkdriving). If the rescue/police are at the site,then you dont have to stop Ofcours there always will be people who are afraid of doing things wrong.There will also be people who are too stupied/selfthinking that they just drive by. But EVRYBODY can find out at least,to talk to the people,find somthing warm,direct the trafic away to awoid more accident. Then i have heard(im not sure),that you guys get first aid cours in your driver licens...Then there are no way away,then evrybody know a litel,or what? just my 02 Stay safe Stefan Faber Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
quatorze 1 #9 January 3, 2003 Quote...Afaird of getting sued if they help(know it is if they do somthing wrong). In many places here in the US there is what we call the Guardian Angel cluase, which means that if passerby helps you in life threatening situations, like CPR and lets say that they accidentally break your ribs, you can't sue them. Up to the point where at least here in South Caorlina, if you are trained in Emergency Medicine and are employed (paid or volunteer) in that profession, you are required by law to stop and render assistance I'm not afriad of dying, I'm afraid of never really living- Erin Engle Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
pilotdave 0 #10 January 3, 2003 He's also a pilot so of course he's a great guy! Dave Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Faber 0 #11 January 3, 2003 guardian angels? In some case you have to break a persons ribs.. It migth be my point of weiw,that says that you guys sue eashother when you can(not spefic,all of you).Imean here we laugh when a guy try to sue a tobacco industri for somthing he did to him self(here there are all kind of warnings on it,and better in US). Just a case.. a woman put her kold wet cat in her microwawe,it splat and then she sue the compani..Cours there were no writing anywere that told her that she couldnt "make her cat warm and dry".its common sence.. Stay safe Stefan Faber Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
newshooter12 0 #12 January 3, 2003 Good call... didn't know he was a "Pro." At least it slipped my mind. The whole light some flares... turn on your flashers, strobe lights, set up traffic cones (no I don't carry them in my personal car, but do in many of the vehicles I drive at work). I agree with and would do. Thankfully all the times I've seen serious accidents where people needed immediate help EMTs, Police and the like were all there before me. matt Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Faber 0 #13 January 3, 2003 Quote if you are trained in Emergency Medicine and are employed (paid or volunteer) in that profession, you are required by law to stop and render assistance This make sense. But how much do you learn at that cours before learning to drive?10hour cours,in DK it mean that you can make cpr.I have a 30hour(no not becours i failed),where i learned even more about how our body works,chok and so on.I even used it at my self at my learst accident. Stay safe Stefan Faber Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
quatorze 1 #14 January 3, 2003 the most basic first aid course is 8 hours, that just teaches people to cover wounds and then call for help, the next step up is 6-8 weeks I think then you have the basic emergency medical technician course which is 6 months 2-3 classes a week, and from there it just gets more intense, I may be alittle off on these numbers, I was only a fireman I'm not afriad of dying, I'm afraid of never really living- Erin Engle Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Iflyme 0 #15 January 3, 2003 Mike, I hope it's someone like YOU who comes across me if I'm in a severe accident. I've never scene a "bad" accident -- but my brother (who is now a Dr.) was first there when an old guy walked into highway traffic. He did all he could, but the old guy was beyond help... too bad no one would stop sooner to help you out... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
newshooter12 0 #16 January 3, 2003 Don't forget the McDonalds' "HOT COFFEE" lawsuit, too... I wish the society I live in didn't bite so many people in the ass when they try to help. But there are many people, if you can still call them human, that leach off others missteps through the legal system. New York State, my homestate, is one of the most conservative in many ways. It has it's ying and yang effects, if you will, because of it.As for the Drivers courses... the ones I have taken don't even touch CPR or any other first responder type medical procedures. The only physiology I got was about alcohol/drugs and DWI, DUI, DWAI. matt Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Faber 0 #17 January 3, 2003 QuoteI was only a fireman In DK firemen can the same as the people in ambulances,in most cases.Here they change between thouse jobs all the time,making a firefigther as good as a amblancedriver.. I do belive that my 30hours were in 1 week(pretty intence).I also were a firefigther while i were in(dont know your word for it but here we all will go to military/civildefense in a age of aprox 18years old). Anyway even if a person cant first aid then he/she could help doing other things.ofcours it dossent help much if there allready are people enouf to first aid,in that case its better to leave the sene and then report to the police what you saw while you arived and the resson that you left..(talking bigger accidents). Stay safe Stefan Faber Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Faber 0 #18 January 3, 2003 Quotemy brother (who is now a Dr.) was first there when an old guy walked into highway traffic. He did all he could, but the old guy was beyond help... Sometimes you just cant help..I onse gave a guy(old alcoholic male)CPR,but it were too late.The feeling afther aint good,but the proffesionals who come afterward can help alot,just saying that it were a ok job you did.It sure helped me,afther have tryed for over 15minutes,and still working as they came(only a doc can tell if a guy is dead,unless he have lost his head/body..) Stay safe Stefan Faber Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Iflyme 0 #19 January 3, 2003 I really think it would be good if "Industrial Firstaid" was taught in high schools. Expensive to conduct the training? Yes ... but if it saves someone you love... if it is taught widely enough that people are saved daily around the country... then we would all have a better chance of being rescued if we were in a crash or something! I mean ... hell, there is a dance class for gr 11 & 12 males at a H/S nearby -- and they put on a great show -- but why not fund and teach industrial firstaid in high schools??? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
quatorze 1 #20 January 3, 2003 Quote but why not fund and teach industrial firstaid in high schools??? I took first aid and CPR as a course while in college, but I had been certified for about 6 consecutive years in each, and was still active in the fire service (volunteer at the time), and yeah, I took it for an easy A, my practical exam consisted of my instructor asking me if I was still with the department and how many years that I had received training, "Yes, and 6" Okay, here's your A I'm not afriad of dying, I'm afraid of never really living- Erin Engle Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ernokaikkonen 0 #21 January 3, 2003 >Don't forget the McDonalds' "HOT COFFEE" lawsuit, too... Read about that case here. It's not quite as simple as it's usually made out to be. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Faber 0 #22 January 3, 2003 185degrees,i asume its farenheit,or you guys drink werry hot coffeI just went out to read on my own machine,it make coffe at 90degees C. I couldnt finde the tools to convert,anyone who have that? Its a kind of a laugh(not for thouse people),here in DK we complain about all what we get from MC Donnal are "cold" Stay safe Stefan Faber Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ernokaikkonen 0 #23 January 3, 2003 185F = 85C 90C = 194F http://www.convert-me.com ...or use this tool I made: convert.html Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
fudd 0 #24 January 3, 2003 Would it not be more appropriate if people were sued for not stopping to help. IMO you have a duty to. As for the McDonnalds coffee lawsuit, I can't see from the link erno posted that it's not that simple. They served hot coffee, and coffee is supposed to be hot. Coffee should be brewed at about 190-200F so 180F (85C) is what a fresh brewed cup of coffee should be. Sure McDonnalds knew that people could get burned from their coffee. DUH!!! If one don't know that coffee is hot, I seriously doubt one can read the warning label. There are only 10 types of people in the world. Those who understand binary, and those who don't. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Faber 0 #25 January 3, 2003 You are freaking good at that,if their aint a mesure thing to find out of how much you load a canopi,at this site,you should make one and give it to the webmaster.. Dahm then i drink hot hot coffe,huh..That migth be the reasson why i always wait a bit before drinking it Stay safe Stefan Faber Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
