wildblue 7 #1 December 14, 2002 yeah, I'm a geek... so? I'm entertained by this - wireless access, and I'm no longer on dial-up. This is pretty damn cool. And before anyone says "Get a life.... why are you posting this at 3:30am!? - I've already been out tonight.... trying to setup a wireless access point/router, complete with proper WEP settings, is more fun slightly intoxicatedit's like incest - you're substituting convenience for quality Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
quatorze 1 #2 December 14, 2002 Greetings and permutations3:30 aw hell, man that's nothing, I am at work until 0730, that screams "Get a Life" all night on a Friday night. I'm not afriad of dying, I'm afraid of never really living- Erin Engle Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Gawain 0 #3 December 14, 2002 802.11? Or 1XRTT via PCM/CIA card in a laptop?So I try and I scream and I beg and I sigh Just to prove I'm alive, and it's alright 'Cause tonight there's a way I'll make light of my treacherous life Make light! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
wildblue 7 #4 December 14, 2002 802.11b pc card - laptop it's a new toy... I"m sure the entertainment value will wear off soon enough it's like incest - you're substituting convenience for quality Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Gawain 0 #5 December 14, 2002 Quote802.11b pc card - laptop So, what's your access point, and what's your access method?So I try and I scream and I beg and I sigh Just to prove I'm alive, and it's alright 'Cause tonight there's a way I'll make light of my treacherous life Make light! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
DZBone 0 #6 December 14, 2002 What kind of range are you getting? I'm typing this at my desk, sans wires, but I can't travel that far because of some interference. Walls I think. I can wander around all the upstairs, but the minute I head downstairs, I lose it. I'm thinking of getting one of those cheap repeaters to increase the range. We were going to try to share it across a few apartments where I was living for awhile, but that didn't work out. I'm beginning to think that the cheap-ass NetGear was *not* the way to go. Like I ever leave this room anyway. _________________________________________________ If you hadn't read this, would it have made a sound? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
wildblue 7 #7 December 14, 2002 try a different channel or something.... I set my parents up with a 'cheap' linksys - the WAP is upstairs, I took their laptop outside (brick house) and about a half block away and was still getting good signal. Maybe try external antenna too. Can't test the range on this cheap netgear just yet, it's cold and there's 3 inches of snow outsideit's like incest - you're substituting convenience for quality Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Jessica 0 #8 December 14, 2002 I hate you on your couch just like I hated you at your desk. Don't worry; I try to remain a rock of stability for you in an ocean of uncertainty.Skydiving is for cool people only Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
wildblue 7 #9 December 14, 2002 you're a peach....it's like incest - you're substituting convenience for quality Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
DZBone 0 #10 December 14, 2002 Hey, good idea. Maybe there is some RF thing going on up here.... No go on an external antenna, unless I want to do one of these! _________________________________________________ If you hadn't read this, would it have made a sound? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
wildblue 7 #11 December 14, 2002 friend of mine extended the range with some wire and pvc pipe... works rather well.....it's like incest - you're substituting convenience for quality Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
sunshine 2 #12 December 14, 2002 QuoteI set my parents up with a 'cheap' linksys - the WAP is upstairs, I took their laptop outside (brick house) and about a half block away and was still getting good signal. If the signal is that good so far from their house, does that mean other people can use their signal? I'm not sure how all that stuff works. ___________________________________________ meow I get a Mike hug! I get a Mike hug! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
bwilling 0 #13 December 14, 2002 Quote If the signal is that good so far from their house, does that mean other people can use their signal? I'm not sure how all that stuff works. Not if he's got it properly secured using WEP (a wireless security protocol)... if he hadn't been smart enough to do that, yes, he'd be sharing the connection with anybody within range... Ever hear of 'war driving'? People with properly set up laptops driving around just looking for unsecured wireless access points. "If all you ever do is all you ever did, then all you'll ever get is all you ever got." Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
sunshine 2 #14 December 14, 2002 Quote Not if he's got it properly secured using WEP (a wireless security protocol)... if he hadn't been smart enough to do that, yes, he'd be sharing the connection with anybody within range... He mentioned WEP but i didn't know wtf it meant. Considering he's a smart guy, i'm sure he did it properly. Thanks for the info. ___________________________________________ meow I get a Mike hug! I get a Mike hug! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
BadDog 0 #15 December 14, 2002 He could also try using a MAC filter if the gateway allows it. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
mikkif 0 #16 December 14, 2002 Quote properly secured using WEP Now there's a 100-point oxymoron! (looks like it's time for a little war-driving )Freedom -- Expression -- Spirit Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
PhreeZone 20 #17 December 14, 2002 >Ever hear of 'war driving'? People with properly set up laptops driving around just looking for unsecured wireless access points. I've got a GPS with mapping software, Laptop with 2 different cards and every program for stumbling and sniffing wireless you can think of.... Nope never heard of War Driving...WEP is mainly a joke. Cracking WEP just is a matter of time. Collect enough packets and its cracked in about 15 minutes. I've recently started playing with WEP2 the 256 stuff... It seems to be diferent in that I have'nt found the right key packets yet in my tests. Yesterday is history And tomorrow is a mystery Parachutemanuals.com Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
bwilling 0 #18 December 14, 2002 I didn't realize WEP was that weak... my bad! I don't run any wireless at work, so my real life experience with it is limited. I did know that they were working on a more secure version, but hey, isn't security one of the hottest topics in IT these days? I love the forums here, you can learn so much! Phree, what excatly would you be doing with all those wireless access points that you're hacking??? "If all you ever do is all you ever did, then all you'll ever get is all you ever got." Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
AndyMan 7 #19 December 14, 2002 QuoteI didn't realize WEP was that weak... my bad! You need to rememeber where WEP came from, and what it was intended to do. Quite simply, WEP was designed to make a wireless network just as secure as a wired network. That's a pretty low target considering that you can get on a 'wired' network just by plugging into a nearby ethernet jack. In a corporate environment, breaking WEP gives you the same level of access as plugging into ethernet. You still need to overcome network security (NT Login, for example), then application level security (database password, for example). WEP is "good enough" for many organizations simply because there's robust security running overtop of it. WEP is also just fine for home users, who don't want their neighbor accidentally finding their porn collection. Where it falls WAY short is from targetted attacks against systems without any other security - ie, the typical home network. _Am__ You put the fun in "funnel" - craichead. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
wildblue 7 #20 December 14, 2002 yup, using 128bit WEP, changed the SSID, and will be setting up the MAC access list here shortly. You're only getting in here is you really really want to. If someone wants to sit outside my house that long and hack on it, they deserve to get to my MP3 collection it's like incest - you're substituting convenience for quality Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
mikkif 0 #21 December 14, 2002 Quote I didn't realize WEP was that weak... my bad! Keep in mind that most people don't even bother to take that step, so you are certainly already ahead of the game, and will "keep honest people honest". Security is relative, nothing is absolutely safe (we all know that!). The best you can do is make it more expensive for the hacker to gain access than the access she gains is worth. Also, like your mom always told you about cold weather, dress in layers...Freedom -- Expression -- Spirit Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
wildblue 7 #22 December 14, 2002 yeah, in my case, I don't have to outrun the bear, just the guy next to me. Granted, in most corporate settings, that's not the attitude to have. Internally, my network isn't just wide-open... so even if they do get access to the WAP, they can't just start walking through the network. I'm actually more worried about people arriving via my (now) always on internet connection then driving past my house (on a cul-de-sac) and findin my wap.it's like incest - you're substituting convenience for quality Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
mikkif 0 #23 December 15, 2002 You could try running this also... Freedom -- Expression -- Spirit Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
