CrazyIvan 0 #1 December 13, 2002 Maybe this is kinda silly, but, is there such thing as 'Loyalty' to your home DZ?, what I mean is, say that you are a student and because of the weather (like is happening now here up north) you can't finish your AFF, so you decide to go to Florida and finish it, and maybe even get licensed. Do you think the rest of the skydivers/students at your home DZ will look at you as a 'Traitor' because you didn't do it with the rest of the team? What do you think?__________________________________________ Blue Skies and May the Force be with you. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
wmw999 2,545 #2 December 13, 2002 If they do look at you as a traitor, they're being a little silly, or maybe just jealous. On the other hand, if you come back expecting godlike treatment because of your now-increased experience, well, then you're being a little silly. I'd be happy for you. Wendy W.There is nothing more dangerous than breaking a basic safety rule and getting away with it. It removes fear of the consequences and builds false confidence. (tbrown) Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
yardhippie 0 #3 December 13, 2002 F!@k em! I did all my aff at my dz and was helping with cleaning and hell everything else I could think of. then they ran off the best instructor there, then a couple of the camera people and then the best tandem master. I spent a chunk with them. Now I go by there (last weekend for instance) and there not even open? 50F and light wind... No wonder I drive to memphis... But this is really a little off the subject. A buddy of mine put in perspective: I call him a P!@sy for not going to jump w/ me and he said when I get as many as him... then I can talk. hes got about 3500, and I have about 250. I cant wait to get in the air, while he likes to wait for better weather. Its all about what you feel you need... me? I feel the need to jump... and im gonna do it where I 1) have fun, 2) feel safe, and 3) can do it multiple times in one day!Goddam dirty hippies piss me off! ~GFD "What do I get for closing your rig?" ~ me "Anything you want." ~ female skydiver Mohoso Rodriguez #865 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
CrazyIvan 0 #4 December 13, 2002 QuoteIf they do look at you as a traitor, they're being a little silly, or maybe just jealous. On the other hand, if you come back expecting godlike treatment because of your now-increased experience, well, then you're being a little silly. I'd be happy for you. Wendy W. Oh no no no...I'm not like that, it happens that I just LOVE this sport, and leaving things 'half baked' is not my style. i appreciate your reply__________________________________________ Blue Skies and May the Force be with you. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Sonic 0 #5 December 13, 2002 I did most of my RAPS course at my current DZ, but went away to a different DZ to finish it. The weather was ok and everything, I just wanted to get away for a while, plus I knew a few people at the other dz (including instructors). Still got student of the year at my home dz ----------------------------------- It's like something out of that twilighty show about that zone Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
freakous 0 #6 December 13, 2002 Loyalty is what you make of it and how you feel about it. One person's loyalty is not anothers. In this case..I would say definately not an issue. It's not like your taking money from your home DZ. You will jump there again when the season starts. Also, in another thread...you have to be yourself...that's where the loyalty should be held. Just my choice of bullshit! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
CrazyIvan 0 #7 December 13, 2002 I really like my home DZ, but yes, I NEED TO JUMP!!!, besides, ALL of my current gear was bought there, the only thing left to buy is the parachute, I'll do that next year, and I'm planning in buying it there too.__________________________________________ Blue Skies and May the Force be with you. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
yardhippie 0 #8 December 13, 2002 Hey... I will still jump at that DZ. But where im going now gives me that "warm fuzzy" Everybody is great, and I learn a lot there. One of the best pieces of advice I have gotten yet "jump w/ as many people as you can, you will learn more". I find I can learn more making a jump with someone new every jump than one person all day. B/c they have different ideas and way of doing things. You might get a few a-holes but thats the way of things. Bottom line if your home DZ is upset or disapproves you you trying to stay current and learn... maybe you should get a new home DZ. We can only better ourselves if we try!Goddam dirty hippies piss me off! ~GFD "What do I get for closing your rig?" ~ me "Anything you want." ~ female skydiver Mohoso Rodriguez #865 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
riddler 0 #9 December 13, 2002 Depends on the DZ. Skydivers are like family, but it's also a business, and you can make a statement by switching DZs. Of course, there's nothing that can be done about bad weather, and I think DZs in cold areas understand that. I've never seen other skydivers or even instructors that would think of you as a traitor, but I have seen DZOs that would. If I was a DZO and a student went elsewhere, I would try to improve service so that didn't happen. OTOH, there are some DZOs out there that have huge egos and treat everyone like shit and don't understand why they can't keep jumpers. You need to do what's best for you, and other skydivers won't begrudge you for that. They'll most likely be jealous of you for staying warm!Trapped on the surface of a sphere. XKCD Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
CrazyIvan 0 #10 December 13, 2002 QuoteDepends on the DZ. Skydivers are like family, but it's also a business, and you can make a statement by switching DZs. Of course, there's nothing that can be done about bad weather, and I think DZs in cold areas understand that. I've never seen other skydivers or even instructors that would think of you as a traitor, but I have seen DZOs that would. If I was a DZO and a student went elsewhere, I would try to improve service so that didn't happen. OTOH, there are some DZOs out there that have huge egos and treat everyone like shit and don't understand why they can't keep jumpers. You need to do what's best for you, and other skydivers won't begrudge you for that. They'll most likely be jealous of you for staying warm! All the people at my home DZ are very cool and nice, and yes you are right, it's also a business, I just want to be happy and keep everybody happy.__________________________________________ Blue Skies and May the Force be with you. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
wmw999 2,545 #11 December 13, 2002 QuoteAll the people at my home DZ are very cool and nice, and yes you are right, it's also a business, I just want to be happy and keep everybody happy. You'll drive yourself crazy trying to keep everybody happy. Really. Make yourself happy, and treat people fairly and honestly. Wendy W.There is nothing more dangerous than breaking a basic safety rule and getting away with it. It removes fear of the consequences and builds false confidence. (tbrown) Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
yardhippie 0 #12 December 13, 2002 Here here! I second that motion. At the end of the day, you have to be happy!Goddam dirty hippies piss me off! ~GFD "What do I get for closing your rig?" ~ me "Anything you want." ~ female skydiver Mohoso Rodriguez #865 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
CrazyIvan 0 #13 December 13, 2002 Quote You'll drive yourself crazy trying to keep everybody happy. Really. Make yourself happy, and treat people fairly and honestly. Wendy W. Too late...I'm already crazy!! __________________________________________ Blue Skies and May the Force be with you. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
yardhippie 0 #14 December 13, 2002 and knowing is half the battle!Goddam dirty hippies piss me off! ~GFD "What do I get for closing your rig?" ~ me "Anything you want." ~ female skydiver Mohoso Rodriguez #865 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
rhino 0 #15 December 13, 2002 I started in Nc.. Finished in Florida.. Do what YOU have to do... Don't sweat it... Rhino Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
r2hubert 0 #16 December 13, 2002 It's not a question of traitor or not. But in my opinion for the AFF it's better to stay at your home DZ because they know you. And that really make a difference! They already see you jumping and it make the briefings for the jumps better and more focus on what you need to improve and focus on. That's my 2 cents... -- Renaud SMA #9 "Mind is like parachute. It only functions when it's open." Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
moodyskydiver 0 #17 December 13, 2002 I've been to 5 different DZs since my first tandem.I dont hold anything against any of them,I just want to do whats best for me and my personal level of training..I love to travel and meet other people like me.You should do what makes you happy and just hope your DZ understands. "...just an earthbound misfit, I." Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
AggieDave 6 #18 December 13, 2002 Yes, and for some people though, its better for them to go to a different DZ. Not that there's anything wrong with their initial DZ, but that being taught by different people, with different teaching styles maybe what they need to get past a learning brick wall.--"When I die, may I be surrounded by scattered chrome and burning gasoline." Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Iflyme 0 #19 December 13, 2002 A dropzone is a business. If you get good customer service, then reward that business with your loyalty. If not, find another "business" that will provide what you are looking for. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
sunshine 2 #20 December 13, 2002 QuoteYes, and for some people though, its better for them to go to a different DZ. Not that there's anything wrong with their initial DZ, but that being taught by different people, with different teaching styles maybe what they need to get past a learning brick wall. Very true. I started at one dz and finished at a different one. It was what i needed to get past my "brick wall." The first dz doesn't hold anything against me for it. ___________________________________________ meow I get a Mike hug! I get a Mike hug! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
CrazyIvan 0 #21 December 13, 2002 So...I'LL TRAVEL ALL OVER!!! __________________________________________ Blue Skies and May the Force be with you. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
pack40 0 #22 December 13, 2002 Poor Americans! You have DZs we have SKYDIVING CLUBS meaning free beer every tuesdays night with same good old jumping friends. And still we can go to any DZs we want! OVER Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
nacmacfeegle 0 #23 December 13, 2002 Hell no! They will be jealous though.Personally travelling to different DZs is GOOD! Regardless of your experience level. You get to meet different peeps, see how things are done differently, and it helps avoid the cliques, and DZ politics.... -------------------- He who receives an idea from me, receives instruction himself without lessening mine; as he who lights his taper at mine, receives light without darkening me. Thomas Jefferson Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
jtval 0 #24 December 13, 2002 I only read your initial post and my initial responses is this THERE IS NO LOYALTY IN BUSINESS! it's your money do what you think is best for you. those others may be jealous that you can afford it but that is why we have all the opportunities to excell. do not let anyone but yourself dictate how you spend your time/money!My photos My Videos Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
jtval 0 #25 December 13, 2002 BINGO!!! I still havent found a HOME dz...Atlanta was the closest but Ive only done 36 jumps there.(the most ive done at any dz) Ive been to 11 dz's (1 in australia) it is so much better to see things from a different prospective to help you learn! My photos My Videos Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
