LouDiamond 1 #26 December 11, 2002 QuoteActually, I can't support the "parents should tell their kids about sex" thing for a variety of reasons. 1. Most parents don't know that much. Most of what they learned is from their limited experience. Nothing like a church-load of guilt to limit exploration. Think of the whole virginity-until-marriage crap. A lot of parents don't have good sex lives themselves. 2. Most kids don't have a traditional family structure. 3. Most parents aren't going to feel comfortable talking about certain issues with their kids. So all those reasons absolve them of their parental duties of raising their child? I understand why you said that and all 3 points are valid. The onus is on the parents to educate themselves and ACT like adults and teach their children about sex just like they would teach them about finacial matters or other life skills. Maybe a possible solution would be to send home a small booklet with the child with a summary of what was taught in sex ed that week and encourage the parent to talk to their child about what they had learned, sign the booklet and have the child return it to class. Just a spur of the moment idea."It's just skydiving..additional drama is not required" Some people dream about flying, I live my dream SKYMONKEY PUBLISHING Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
happythoughts 0 #27 December 11, 2002 "One of the women said that men go there because they are afraid to ask their wives/girlfriends to do certain things " One of the things their wives won't do is be a 25 yo bunny. Sometimes a cigar is just a cigar. It is just sex. A backrub can be sensual or just relaxing. Sometimes sex is just a good time with an attractive woman. If prostitution was more widely available in the US, 50% of the bars would close. Here is the idea. It is a people thing. Sometimes PEOPLE just want sex with an attractive person. Rate two people on an attractiveness scale from 1 to 10. Both "fives". The girl wants sex tonight, no attachments, walks out with an "eight" in 10 minutes. The guy walks out with a drunk "2" in 4 hours. It is human nature, women just have better options. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
PLFXpert 0 #28 December 11, 2002 These are my points, as well, why sex ed (accurate sex ed) should be in schools, but I also think parents should take responsibility in addtion to (or however you look at it, the sex ed in school would be in addition to parents teaching at home). I know, as intelligent as my father is, I never got the sex talk. He did, however, know full well they teach about it in all my schools. I went to some very PC, affluent schools and even in elementary school we watched a video about what happens to girls/boys when they hit puberty. In middle school, that was expanded to include other things...high school I had to watch a VERY GRAPHIC video of a woman delivering a baby, learned about diseases, prevention, etc. Then in college, in my personal healthy class (which is required as gen ed) I learned, what I stated in my original post, about EVERYTHING under the sun. Not only was that class VERY informative and unbiased, giving information from every aspect and belief, but also taught boys/girls to not be inhibited about talking about it...hell, our guest speaker, even showed how prostitues can put a condom on a guy w/ their mouth (she used a cucumber) in case a guy didn't want to use protection, etc. This class covered EVERYTHING! I really appreciate all I learned And being that I've only slept w/ one person, it obviously didn't encourage me anymore than I already was. Self-satisfaction is a BEAUTIFUL thing Paint me in a corner, but my color comes back. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
happythoughts 0 #29 December 11, 2002 Lisa, this isn't a question directly for you, but for all the people in favor of parents teaching their kids about sex. What did your parents teach you about sex? Lots of good information? Some of the local churchs still teach that sex is dirty and that nice girls don't really like it. There are still people around with the same information as your parents. (The coach you cited is an example.) The local university has a good class on human sexuality. I wish they would filter it down to the high school level. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
happythoughts 0 #30 December 11, 2002 "And being that I've only slept w/ one person" I don't sleep with many either. Who can sleep in the front seat of a Saturn? Safe sex - "No honey, there's no cars coming..." Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
freeflir29 0 #31 December 11, 2002 QuoteThere are still people around with the same information as your parents. (The coach you cited is an example.) The parents have to take the responsibility to teach it right. My kid doesn't have any experience to "filter" what is taught to them at school. I don't want a school teaching my son about sex. I'll do that myself. I know what he needs to be taught and what he should know. I don't want some idiot in a public school making that decision for me. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
happythoughts 0 #32 December 11, 2002 QuoteThe parents have to take the responsibility to teach it right. I guess that is the point that I was making. Parents have that obligation, but aren't always equipped. My ex used to quote the Jehovahs Witness website to our son when she was the custodial parent during his teen years: "2. Fornication: Sex before marriage, adultery, bestiality, incest, and homosexuality are all serious sins against God. (Leviticus 18:6; Romans 1:26, 27; 1 Corinthians 6:9, 10) If a couple are not married but are living together, they should separate or else get legally married.—Hebrews 13:4." JW Any Catholics want to talk about their beliefs about birth control? Condoms? Pre-marital sex? My mother was a Baptist Sunday school teacher for 25 years. Any bets on the info that I was going to get? Parents generally suck at this. We can all argue what WE would do, but there are parents in the mid-west who decided that skydivers were too wild to hold the WFFC in their town. They are sculpting their kids into guilt-ridden models of themselves. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
misskriss 0 #33 December 11, 2002 QuoteAny Catholics want to talk about their beliefs about birth control? Condoms? Pre-marital sex? I'm Catholic... however.....they would probably excommunicate me ..because i will encourage my girls to use birth control... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
LouDiamond 1 #34 December 11, 2002 You mention very valid points all of which tend to go more towards religious beliefs. Which of course is seperate and part of that familys life style. If that is what the parent wishes to base their beliefs off of kudos for them. They are activley taking part in their childs life, wheather you , me, the world views it as wrong or right."It's just skydiving..additional drama is not required" Some people dream about flying, I live my dream SKYMONKEY PUBLISHING Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
freeflir29 0 #35 December 11, 2002 Quote My mother was a Baptist Sunday school teacher for 25 years. Any bets on the info that I was going to get? Good point...BUT....raising YOUR children according to YOUR beliefs is something I hold pretty dear. There's been many a war faught about issues such as this. Quote Fornication: Sex before marriage, adultery, bestiality, incest, and homosexuality are all serious sins against God. Damn...I should become Catholic so I can go to confession and get a pardon.... Quote because i will encourage my girls to use birth control... Heehehehehheee....I just watched "The Meaning of Life" again last night. "Every Sperm is sacred...Every sperm is good" For my Limey bretheren out there.....is Yorkshire really considered the 3rd world? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
SpeedRacer 1 #36 December 11, 2002 hmmm, well I'm Catholic but I use condoms. But if you're having sex before marriage, then strictly speaking, you're already stepping outside the boundaries & you therefore might as well go ahead & use condoms. Re. premarital sex: I do it & don't regret it, therefore I can't confess it since I'm not sorry for it. Or is it not premarital sex if you had no intention of marrying her in the first place?Rules against premarital sex are to prevent STDs and unwanted children. They were put in place before the options we have now had been invented. And personally, I think it was good for me to have some sexual relationships w/ women before getting married. I've learned a lot more about women and ultimately I think I will be a better husband because of the practice I've had. Man, when I think back at how clueless I was in dealing with women, if I had gone ahead & married right away without ever having been in a relationship before, it would have been a disaster. It would probably have ended in divorce, which is also unacceptable to the church. And when I marry I want it to be forever. I can't speak for other people, but I had to LEARN how to be in a relationship w/ a woman. It wasn't as simple as "treat others the way you'd want them to treat you" because women have different expectations than men, and that was very tricky for me & it took me along time to figure women out. Not that I've succeeded, I'm just a little wiser than I used to be. Better in bed, too!I'm just talking about how it is for me, not anyone else. Speed Racer -------------------------------------------------- Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
LouDiamond 1 #37 December 11, 2002 Quote women have different expectations than men, and that was very tricky for me & it took me along time to figure women out. Hey, since you've figured them out, ya mind sharing it with the rest of us? LOL"It's just skydiving..additional drama is not required" Some people dream about flying, I live my dream SKYMONKEY PUBLISHING Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
happythoughts 0 #38 December 11, 2002 QuoteQuoteAny Catholics want to talk about their beliefs about birth control? Condoms? Pre-marital sex? I'm Catholic... however.....they would probably excommunicate me ..because i will encourage my girls to use birth control... In the year 50ad, unmarried, pregnant girls were a financial burden. However, since people got married when they were 13, it wasn't that difficult to hold off. Since this is the Christmas season, think of this conversation between a 13 yo girl and her dad..."No dad, it was the Holy Spirit...yeah immaculate conception...yep, still a virgin..no, no, Joseph is buying it too, we're getting married...". Sex is fun. It turns out that people having lots of it. Why not deal with those facts? I think there are societies whose view on sex is not as destructive to the children who it seeks to protect. Maybe we could adapt part of that. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Lolie 0 #39 December 11, 2002 They sort of have a "sex ed" program here at UW-M. It's a series of "workshops" if you will, every month. The group that puts them on is called "Sex Out Loud." They have some discussions about STDs and stuff, but mostly they're things like "Pleasure" and "Advanced Pleasure." -Miranda you shall above all things be glad and young / For if you're young,whatever life you wear it will become you;and if you are glad / whatever's living will yourself become. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
sunshine 2 #40 December 11, 2002 Quote but mostly they're things like "Pleasure" and "Advanced Pleasure. Damn, i need to come visit you at college sometime.. ___________________________________________ meow I get a Mike hug! I get a Mike hug! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
freeflir29 0 #41 December 11, 2002 Quote Damn, i need to come visit you at college sometime.. Sunshine...you know Dr. Clay's School of Love is always open for you. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Vallerina 2 #42 December 11, 2002 I'm all for sex education in schools. If you really want to prevent kids from having sex, or if you really want them to be as safe as possible, teaching it in the classroom is the best way to do it. You can't scare kids into celibacy by saying God will punish you. You can scare them into celibacy by showing them screaming babies Plus, who really listens to their parents about sex? There's a thin line between Saturday night and Sunday morning Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
LouDiamond 1 #43 December 11, 2002 Quote Quote but mostly they're things like "Pleasure" and "Advanced Pleasure. Damn, i need to come visit you at college sometime.. Do you have to take pleasure first or can you skip right to advanced pleasure? How many credit hours is it worth?"It's just skydiving..additional drama is not required" Some people dream about flying, I live my dream SKYMONKEY PUBLISHING Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
freeflir29 0 #44 December 11, 2002 Quote You can scare them into celibacy by showing them screaming babies It's the #1 form of birth control!!! I did see a high school course that required the students to care for a "baby." they had a life like doll that screamed incessantly and they had to feed it...and change diapers, etc. It was hilarious......I can see those kids on Friday night. "So...uh....do you want to get in the back seat?" "Hell NO!!! Get away from me!!!!!!!!!" Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Lolie 0 #45 December 11, 2002 Quote Do you have to take pleasure first or can you skip right to advanced pleasure? Nope, you can skip right to advanced pleasure, but you'll have to audition... -Miranda you shall above all things be glad and young / For if you're young,whatever life you wear it will become you;and if you are glad / whatever's living will yourself become. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
freeflir29 0 #46 December 11, 2002 Quote but you'll have to audition... Damn those academic standards!!! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
LouDiamond 1 #47 December 11, 2002 Quote Quote Do you have to take pleasure first or can you skip right to advanced pleasure? Nope, you can skip right to advanced pleasure, but you'll have to audition... Would that be an ORAL dissertation perhaps?"It's just skydiving..additional drama is not required" Some people dream about flying, I live my dream SKYMONKEY PUBLISHING Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Lolie 0 #48 December 11, 2002 If that's what you're more comfortable with, I'm sure it could be arranged... Of course, that wouldn't be the entire audition. We'd need to make sure you were "well-rounded." -Miranda you shall above all things be glad and young / For if you're young,whatever life you wear it will become you;and if you are glad / whatever's living will yourself become. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
freeflir29 0 #49 December 11, 2002 Quote We'd need to make sure you were "well-rounded." So you saw me with my shirt off already? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
LouDiamond 1 #50 December 11, 2002 Quote If that's what you're more comfortable with, I'm sure it could be arranged... Of course, that wouldn't be the entire audition. We'd need to make sure you were "well-rounded." Oh no, don't tell me you grade on the Bell curve?"It's just skydiving..additional drama is not required" Some people dream about flying, I live my dream SKYMONKEY PUBLISHING Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
