jraf 0 #26 December 4, 2002 Dave, sorry to put age over beauty but I have been off roading when you were still in the sand box (for real). In a hostile off road situation the more primitive the better. You have a gasoline engine with less durability, an electrical system, fuel injection , electronic controls, abs, automatic grea shift and all other boys toys. Did you ever get pushed off track by a river current. That is when you buy a new engine. Yours is over. your transmission id over, your electrical system is dead. You car is a heap of junk. I have been in such a sitation. I winched the vehicle out of the water (It was flooded abovt the roof) I then removed the injectors (5 minutes) blew them out (like a whistle) put them back and off I went. I hope I dont have to explain the superiority of a manual gear shift with separate central and rear diff blockade, and off road grars to you. Take advice from an old man - if you want to off road drop the Yosemeete Sam mud flaps and go for utility. And one more thing - do you realize how powerful a 125 HP turbodiesel is? It's got enough torque to move a house.jraf Me Jungleman! Me have large Babalui. Muff #3275 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
AggieDave 6 #27 December 4, 2002 jraf, step back a second, it was a joke. I don't have a dedicated trail rig, if you really want I'll list out what I want to build eventually. My truck isn't a dedicated trail rig, it sees more miles on the highway then it does on the train (unfortunately), but I also know that my trash is super reliable (well, except for that one flange that broke on the highway Friday night) and will get me where I'm going for many more miles then the 70k I have on it now. You're assuming I don't know anything about off-road, I do, I just don't have the time or money to do anything with it right now. --"When I die, may I be surrounded by scattered chrome and burning gasoline." Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kevin922 0 #28 December 4, 2002 Well I test drove 2 hummers today, 2000 soft top and a 1999 wagon. the 99 wagon has thousands in electronics.. 2 dvd players, a vcr, 4 tv screens.. and a bunch of stero stuff.. seems as if it hasn't seen an unpaved road since it was bought which makes me think if it was used for offroading after it is bought, all the electronic shit is pretty much an accident waiting to happen... the 2000 was nice but too pricey for me. Evidentally it's not just the price of the truck but the manager at the dealer compared the vehicle to that of an aircraft when it comes to maintience. which I guess is true.. 100 bucks to change the oil, 400.00 per tire (if they are runflats, 400 bucks per tire including installation), regular maintinence on the thing costs about 250 - 450 depending on which service you're having done and if you don't do it like they tell you to then your warranty could be good as nothing. Also learned, the 2000 I was looking at had a brand new engine put in at 4,000 miles - evidentally some of the later model hummers had a problem with some heads cracking because hummer was trying to shave some weight off the hummer and evidentally bored out too much in the engine. (comforting to know). I guess it really is just a "dream" car.. an endless money pit and I should just move on and get something else. Why doesn't money grow on trees damn it? All it is is paper. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
jraf 0 #29 December 4, 2002 Dave, take no offense! It's just the usuall discussion of gasoline vs. diesel. Also the LR Defender 110 is not a dedicated off roader. Runns on highways every day. It's just that I dont believe in electronics.jraf Me Jungleman! Me have large Babalui. Muff #3275 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
coconutmonkey 0 #30 December 4, 2002 Yeah, got 38 of 'em in my motorpool! Tons of offroad fun and it really takes effort to get them stuck. Cost a fortune to maintain, tho... Hearts & Minds 2 to the Heart- 1 to the Mind- Home of the Coconut Lounge, Spa, & Artillery Range Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
AggieDave 6 #31 December 4, 2002 Sorry, I thought you were jumping my shit, so I hit the defensive... If you're going to run a short wheel base rig, I'd rather go with a CJ, if you build it right. Electronics do have their place on trail rigs though. Ever have a carborator cut out on you due to an unsual attitude? You get those carbs turned different ways when going up/down/over the trail and they don't work since gravity isn't pulling the fuel down the bowl, but I'm sure you've experienced that before. --"When I die, may I be surrounded by scattered chrome and burning gasoline." Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
TheBile 0 #32 December 4, 2002 QuoteDoes anyone here own a hummer? No, but I've let one go on the way to Alti before now.Gerb I stir feelings in others they themselves don't understand. KA'CHOW ! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
jraf 0 #33 December 4, 2002 Dave: Diesels don't have a carburator - beauty of the beast. It's a mechanichal high pressure direct injection system. The thing has 1/3 the parts that a gasoline engine does. On my Dicsovery with a 4 liter V8 I get 300 miles to the gas tank. Used to have a Discovery with the said 2.5 liter turbo diesel - 600 miles out of the same gas tank. Better performance too.jraf Me Jungleman! Me have large Babalui. Muff #3275 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
AggieDave 6 #34 December 4, 2002 We can't seem to talk to each other today...I was talking about a gasoline engine, in comparison for electronics, since that would be a more fair comparison. --"When I die, may I be surrounded by scattered chrome and burning gasoline." Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
rgoper 0 #35 December 4, 2002 Quote Does anyone here own a hummer? the only "hummer" i own right now is my wife! J/K ladies, don't go jumping on me. i don't have an H2 yet, but despite other's opinions, i will be purchasing one after the first of the year, i could care less what the "general review" is. i own a 2002 avalanche right now, and i have been listening to loads of garbage since i bought it, seems everyone but me thinks it's ugly, well, seems like these people aren't around when i make the monthly lease payments. so anyways, that's my .02 USD. c ya in the funnies.--Richard-- "We Will Not Be Shaken By Thugs, And Terroist" Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
AggieDave 6 #36 December 4, 2002 I saw an Avalanche I liked once...it had a 12" lift with 38" tires...damn nice if you ask me. Dude, H2s are seriously Yuppy Mobles...wait, you're "yuppy skydiver #1" so I guess you're set... --"When I die, may I be surrounded by scattered chrome and burning gasoline." Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
rgoper 0 #37 December 4, 2002 Quote "yuppy skydiver #1" so I guess you're set... no, while itz true the inception of the "Yuppie Skydiver" idea was mine, i am not # 1. visit "The Dog House" to see which number i am. i have seen the avalanche you speak of at your home dz, last time i was there, i got there before he did, and then he parked next to mine, i had my cut-away that afternoon and left. upon reaching the parking area, there it was the "monster avalanche" dwarfing mine! --Richard-- "We Will Not Be Shaken By Thugs, And Terroist" Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
AggieDave 6 #38 December 4, 2002 That's kind of like a quote I read in one of the off-road/4-wheeler mags a while back, talking about those new buggies people are making specificly for rock crawling... "Powerful engines with gearing so low they'll climb a garage door..."--"When I die, may I be surrounded by scattered chrome and burning gasoline." Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
skymedic 0 #39 December 5, 2002 Quote Now yer talkin'! If I had the $$ and a military version made itself available, I would make the purchase! As far the interior goes, well, this is a truck, not damn Rolls-Royce. You will not be able to register it in any state that I know of...I'm a member of the hummer owners group newsletter as I at one time drove a hummer almost every day for work...people have been complaining that they buy a used military hummer from surplus then find out they can't license it.... oh yeah...my hummer was the BOMB baby....gotta love gov't jobs...and given the money I'd buy an H1 or H2...I like em both... Marc otherwise known as Mr.Fallinwoman.... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
