goingdown31 0 #1 January 23, 2013 I'm thinking about choosing between these two for my next canopy. Just thought I would get some feed back from you guys on a good intermediate canopy. Which one do you like better? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
theonlyski 8 #2 January 23, 2013 QuoteI'm thinking about choosing between these two for my next canopy. Just thought I would get some feed back from you guys on a good intermediate canopy. Which one do you like better? I love my SAFIRE2 169 MUCH more than I liked mySabre2 170"I may be a dirty pirate hooker...but I'm not about to go stand on the corner." iluvtofly DPH -7, TDS 578, Muff 5153, SCR 14890 I'm an asshole, and I approve this message Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
goingdown31 0 #3 January 23, 2013 How were the openings, turns, flare between the two? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
theonlyski 8 #4 January 23, 2013 QuoteHow were the openings, turns, flare between the two? The Safire opens WAY better, turns felt just a tad less zippy and I think the Safire might have just a touch more flare."I may be a dirty pirate hooker...but I'm not about to go stand on the corner." iluvtofly DPH -7, TDS 578, Muff 5153, SCR 14890 I'm an asshole, and I approve this message Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
NWFlyer 2 #5 January 23, 2013 What did you think when you demoed them? Because that's really the opinion that matters most. "There is only one basic human right, the right to do as you damn well please. And with it comes the only basic human duty, the duty to take the consequences." -P.J. O'Rourke Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
goingdown31 0 #6 January 23, 2013 I haven't tried either of them yet. I'm going to get another hundred or so under my belt before I downsize. I just wanted some opinions of other people. I do plan on demoing(is that a word?) both before I decide though. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
SEREJumper 1 #7 January 23, 2013 Ditto, demo them both. Also, PD publishes flight characteristics for all their canopies that you can do some research from. Look under the "Flight Characteristics" tab here for the Sabre 2. http://performancedesigns.com/products.asp?product=saWe're not fucking flying airplanes are we, no we're flying a glorified kite with no power and it should be flown like one! - Stratostar Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
rwieder 0 #8 January 23, 2013 Your flying a 210^2 Pilot now. What size canopy were you thinking about flying next. At 124 jumps, this has to be a very intelligent decision on your behalf. I'm confident that you will make an intelligent choice. From my experience, I would select the Saffire over the Sabre, I've never flown a Sabre I really liked.-Richard- "You're Holding The Rope And I'm Taking The Fall" Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
goingdown31 0 #9 January 23, 2013 Just to a 190/189 which ever I decide. USPA recommendations are 1.2 for a C-licence and I will be at 1.21 under a 190 unless I gain a lot of weight by then. If I don't feel confident under a 190 when I try them I won't do it. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
DocPop 1 #10 January 23, 2013 Quote I love my SAFIRE2 169 MUCH more than I liked mySabre2 170 That's because of your aggressive downsize!"The ground does not care who you are. It will always be tougher than the human behind the controls." ~ CanuckInUSA Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
DocPop 1 #11 January 23, 2013 Quote What did you think when you demoed them? Because that's really the opinion that matters most. That's the only useful answer to your question."The ground does not care who you are. It will always be tougher than the human behind the controls." ~ CanuckInUSA Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
DocPop 1 #12 January 23, 2013 QuoteJust to a 190/189 which ever I decide. USPA recommendations are 1.2 for a C-licence and I will be at 1.21 under a 190 unless I gain a lot of weight by then. If I don't feel confident under a 190 when I try them I won't do it. The recommendations usually state a MAXIMUM of 1.2 at 200 jumps, not that it is recommended to fly a WL of 1.2 - big difference."The ground does not care who you are. It will always be tougher than the human behind the controls." ~ CanuckInUSA Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
goingdown31 0 #13 January 23, 2013 Still within the recommendations Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
DocPop 1 #14 January 24, 2013 Quote Still within the recommendations Cool. Crack on then. As long as you understand the way they are written."The ground does not care who you are. It will always be tougher than the human behind the controls." ~ CanuckInUSA Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
uberchris 0 #15 January 24, 2013 how is the front riser pressure between the safire2 and the sabre2, at say a 1.5 WL? how do the canopies react to harness input? im about to make a huge decision, ive already flown sabre2's but im going to be demoing a safire2 and a pilot..........gravity brings me down......... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
DocPop 1 #16 January 24, 2013 Quotehow is the front riser pressure between the safire2 and the sabre2, at say a 1.5 WL? how do the canopies react to harness input? im about to make a huge decision, ive already flown sabre2's but im going to be demoing a safire2 and a pilot.......... All the above canopies are in a similar "class". Really the only way for you to decide which is right for you is to do what you're doing and demo them and decide which one you personally like best."The ground does not care who you are. It will always be tougher than the human behind the controls." ~ CanuckInUSA Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
piisfish 140 #17 January 24, 2013 I like Safire2 better scissors beat paper, paper beat rock, rock beat wingsuit - KarlM Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
AdamUSN 0 #18 January 24, 2013 I have a Saber2 170. It opens slowly and I have found that it opens nearly identical every time. Bad body position seems to cause it to open off heading. I have had very consistent openings with it. The end cells are nearly always collapsed but it responds well to riser turns even though and and a quick flare with the rises opens them right up. The canopy is zippy and fun to play with. It is my first Canopy so you have to get used to the landings. I find that it likes to glide rather than flare but I like it. Sorry that I do not have a lot of input on the choice but like mine. It is way better than whatever I used for a student canopy!! I have over 100 jumps on my Saber2. AdamIf you do things that don't make you appreciate life than why do them Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
BIGUN 1,314 #19 January 25, 2013 Demo both while doing these for each one: http://www.dropzone.com/safety/Canopy_Control/Downsizing_Checklist_47.htmlNobody has time to listen; because they're desperately chasing the need of being heard. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
DocPop 1 #20 January 25, 2013 Quote Demo both while doing these for each one: http://www.dropzone.com/safety/Canopy_Control/Downsizing_Checklist_47.html Top tip. "The ground does not care who you are. It will always be tougher than the human behind the controls." ~ CanuckInUSA Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
goingdown31 0 #21 January 26, 2013 That's some good info thanks man. Blues Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
theplummeter 15 #22 February 23, 2013 When I was looking for a 170-ish canopy I got to jump a Sabre2 170, Safire2 169, and a Fusion 175. The three were very nearly identical to each other in terms of response/turn rate. The Safire had the best openings of the three. The flare point was highest on the Sabre, lowest on the Safire, and the Fusion was in the middle in terms of toggle stroke for the flare, but the Fusion felt like it had the most flare. Flying just a standard pattern the Fusion also felt the fastest, but also planed out to the slowest speed before I put my feet down. It might be worth including in your demoing, I ended up buying a Safire because I had less than two weeks before a big trip but would have been happy with any of the three. Edited to add: Performance Designs will be the most expensive but hold its value, Icarus will be in the middle of the price range and also hold its value, Precision will be the cheapest of the three but generally don't resale as high as the other two if that's a consideration for you. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
popsjumper 2 #23 February 23, 2013 Safire2 by far and away.My reality and yours are quite different. I think we're all Bozos on this bus. Falcon5232, SCS8170, SCSA353, POPS9398, DS239 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
popsjumper 2 #24 February 23, 2013 QuoteThat's some good info thanks man. Blues ...except for the high performance turn recommendation.My reality and yours are quite different. I think we're all Bozos on this bus. Falcon5232, SCS8170, SCSA353, POPS9398, DS239 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ChrisD 0 #25 February 23, 2013 You buying new? NZ 3-6 weeks custom. PD 12-18 weeks custom. (variable.) CBut what do I know, "I only have one tandem jump." Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
