jaaska 0 #1 November 28, 2002 Now that the inspections are getting started in Iraq(we'll see for how long ), there is an interesting issue of another country, that has VERY efficient weapons developing programs (rumors say that this country has the most advanced bio-chemical warfare ever known). This country has announced that it will not allow any UN inspectors to weapon sites / laboratories etc. ! It is one of the few countries in the world that has not signed the UN treaty on inspections... Also this country has not signed the UN international court pact nor is about to... Yep, it's the good old United States of America Well, we do have to remember, of course , that these stupid UN rules and regulations apply only stupid and weak. I mean come on, what was that stupid UN thing about cutting down greenhouse emission? How in the hell do they think I could manage w/o my three precious pick-up trucks with 6 liter V8 engines? I don't care if they can get equal horse power out of an 2l hi-tech engine with 1/5th of the consumptions - it's the sound that counts. If US produces 1/3 of all the pollution in the whole world with 1/24 of the population, the only right thing to do is to try to keep up with consumption of fossil fuel! I don't care if the Saudi-Arabia is a one big nest for terrorists (9/11: 13 out 15 terrorists were from Saudi Arabia) - they are our friends! I don't give a shit about the state of human rights there - as long as the oil taps are open! It is a lot easier to go to a war when that war does not affect the amount of oil flow to US - better yet, if in the result of that war US has a military foothold (bases etc.) on 1/3 of total oil production in the world (Saudi Arabia + Iraq). Tell me it's not about oil! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest #2 November 28, 2002 Rant, rant rant. Iraq is going to play "Hide the Salami" again, and everybody knows it."The mouse does not know life until it is in the mouth of the cat." Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
fasterfaller 0 #3 November 28, 2002 We don't need inspections , we're the good guys Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
cyberskydive 0 #4 November 28, 2002 I think of the world as a group of people, some friends, some are not. Just as with people everyone doesnt get along, no one is the same, and nobody is perfect. So the US being one "person" in the group we have our differences / problems / imperfections. Now there comes a point, due to that fact that no one is perfect, where you have to accept this and deal / live with it. Maybe even do your part to make "yourself" better. Help a friend in need, or watch your back for your enemies. Its a part of life. Or, you could become a "different person", a new man! happy turkey day! -loloh yeah, I've been a mechanic for a while, I've never seen a 2L engine with the same horespower as a V8, a small V6 maybe, maybe..........maybe more efficient use of resources .... to each his own, thats whats so great about this country! -System.Windows.IUnknown.Crash.Reboot.Crash.Reboot.Freeze.Crash.Reboot.Break.Stuff.dot... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
jaaska 0 #5 November 28, 2002 I know, that's what I was trying to say! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Jimbo 0 #6 November 28, 2002 Quote Well, we do have to remember, of course , that these stupid UN rules and regulations apply only stupid and weak. I mean come on, what was that stupid UN thing about cutting down greenhouse emission? How in the hell do they think I could manage w/o my three precious pick-up trucks with 6 liter V8 engines? I don't care if they can get equal horse power out of an 2l hi-tech engine with 1/5th of the consumptions - it's the sound that counts. Exactly! - Jim"Like" - The modern day comma Good bye, my friends. You are missed. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
rgoper 0 #7 November 28, 2002 this whole operation is nothing more than a "pin the tail on the donkey" witch hunt. "if" they have any weapons of mass disstruction we'll never find them, this whole operation is an exercise in futility at the taxpayer's expense. of course the culmanation will be an attack on sadaam hussuin, and the beat goes on. and NO, this is not about oil. the us of a has plenty of it's own reserves to drill, the epa just won't let us do it, we do not need foriegn hydrocarbons. the reason we have it to begin with is because the original theory was to come over here, drill it, take it, and "rathole" our own. well, they showed us when they nationalized their oilfields, kept our equipment, and told us to get out. after, of course, we showed them how to drill the wells themselves. with the price of oil at $25.00-$26.00 a BBL, and gas at $4.00+ mcf, there is no reason other than scandal and greed that we're no busier in the petroleum industry in the states, the rig count has dropped off dramatically in the last 3 years. i'm not in saudia arabia for my health, that much i can tell ya.--Richard-- "We Will Not Be Shaken By Thugs, And Terroist" Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
jaaska 0 #8 November 28, 2002 Quote oh yeah, I've been a mechanic for a while, I've never seen a 2L engine with the same horespower as a V8, a small V6 maybe, maybe..........maybe more efficient use of resources .... to each his own, thats whats so great about this country! How about if we raise it up to 3 L: What is the current Formula One? "In addition to a large number of regulations governing chassis design, the current formula restricts the cylinder capacity of the engine to 3 litres, prohibits supercharging and stipulates a minimum total weight of 600 kg, including the weight of the driver and his race equipment." "How powerful are Formula One engines? Even though the constructors never divulge exact details of their engine power, the maximum is known to exceed eight hundred horsepower in some cases. Manufacturers of engines claim that maximum power is not always the most important factor. Having power available at lower engine speeds is often of equal importance, especially in slow corners." (This F.A.Q. is based on data from the F.I.A.) I'll bet they'll get over 500hp out of 2 L engine - I'm sure there are quite a few 8 L engines with less HP...---> The point I was trying to make - it's the sound that counts! I mean, it just doesn't sound that manly when the engine is running close to 20 000 rpm! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
misskriss 0 #9 November 28, 2002 IMHO...fuck Iraq...literally Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
cyberskydive 0 #10 November 28, 2002 Quote How about if we raise it up to 3 L: What is the current Formula One? I'm not gonna argue with ya on that issue, but offer a car at that price to the general public? Hell I can probably spend enough money and make an old v-dub with 200hp -lolIf it was that easy there wouldnt be so much research going into electric cars.-System.Windows.IUnknown.Crash.Reboot.Crash.Reboot.Freeze.Crash.Reboot.Break.Stuff.dot... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
jaaska 0 #11 November 28, 2002 Quote Quote How about if we raise it up to 3 L: What is the current Formula One? I'm not gonna argue with ya on that issue, but offer a car at that price to the general public? Hell I can probably spend enough money and make an old v-dub with 200hp -lolIf it was that easy there wouldnt be so much research going into electric cars. Well I was not trying to suggest that we all should get a formula one I'm talking about over 2000 kg SUV (or whatta heck they are called). I'm talking about gas (petrol) prices. I mean, could someone explain to me why does anybody need a SUVs? It's no good on cross-country driving for sure. The only reason I could come up with is the fact it's safer since there's more tin around your body thus making it hevier thus giving you better surviving rate if collided with a small Honda or something - too bad for the Honda driver though ! The sooner the gas prices will go up (they are way up here already) the faster people start to think with their wallet and the bigger demand there is for low consumption vehicles thus hastening the development of such vehicles thus bringing the prices down and last thus but not least - bringing down the senseless consumption, polluting and emission. I'm sure people living in LA knows a lot more about this... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
cyberskydive 0 #12 November 28, 2002 I'm all for environmental concerns, but what good will it do to lower vehicle emissions when there are corporations out there who where "grandfathered" in before current guidelines who produce more pollution than anything? I say thats where the problem lies. Yes we should reduce all emissions, but it won't do much good without other concerns being delt with. It would be like trying to keep a gas tank with a hole in it full.... Here in Houston to combat the problem they ever so kindly lowered the speed limit to 55 -lol, but then down the road theres some smokestack choking the skies with industrial haze without even being looked at.-System.Windows.IUnknown.Crash.Reboot.Crash.Reboot.Freeze.Crash.Reboot.Break.Stuff.dot... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
jaaska 0 #13 November 28, 2002 I totally agree!!! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
cyberskydive 0 #14 November 28, 2002 Good lets go have a beer! -lmfao! -System.Windows.IUnknown.Crash.Reboot.Crash.Reboot.Freeze.Crash.Reboot.Break.Stuff.dot... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
blueshrew 0 #15 November 28, 2002 I am getting the feeling that the general opinion here is: F*** the rest of world, they're all minions that have to abide by the rules, and we will as hell make sure of it, but are ourselves above those rules, and will not be asked to abide by them. And I am not trying to tread on anyone's toes. Maybe you all are just joking, and I don't get the humor? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
cyberskydive 0 #16 November 28, 2002 Quote I think of the world as a group of people, some friends, some are not. Just as with people everyone doesnt get along, no one is the same, and nobody is perfect. So the US being one "person" in the group we have our differences / problems / imperfections. Now there comes a point, due to that fact that no one is perfect, where you have to accept this and deal / live with it. Maybe even do your part to make "yourself" better. Help a friend in need, or watch your back for your enemies. Its a part of life. Dont think I ever said that -lol-System.Windows.IUnknown.Crash.Reboot.Crash.Reboot.Freeze.Crash.Reboot.Break.Stuff.dot... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
jraf 0 #17 November 28, 2002 Post deleted. Please follow the simple rules that we have and debate without personal attacks. skymamajraf Me Jungleman! Me have large Babalui. Muff #3275 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
rgoper 0 #18 November 29, 2002 Hi Jraf: little stiff there, eh? could have pm'd that, as it could be misconstrued as a personal attack, or just "plain rude" take care, be safe! --Richard-- "We Will Not Be Shaken By Thugs, And Terroist" Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Gawain 0 #19 November 29, 2002 Quote If it was that easy there wouldnt be so much research going into electric cars. Why don't you check the real progress on electric vehicles. The auto industry is ready to abandon the idea. Batteries just aren't efficient enough. Also, when you consider the objectives of putting more gadgets (requiring more power) in our cars, the auto makers are having trouble finding ways to put more power in the cars. It can't be done on the universally applied 14-volt systems. Higher voltage would do the trick, but then you risk pulling arcs through the air. Imagine having a broken seat heater cooking your *ss. Battery power is not the answer. Quote I'm talking about over 2000 kg SUV (or whatta heck they are called). I'm talking about gas (petrol) prices. Gas prices in the US are a quarter of what you pay in Europe. Despite that, the highest performance SUVs are made in Europe, the BMW X5, M-Series Mercedes, and the new Porsche Cheyenne. VW owns Rolls Royce, one of the most fuel inefficient vehicles on the planet. Time to put the soap-box away. Quote I mean, could someone explain to me why does anybody need a SUVs? It doesn't matter, it's called a free market. Quote The sooner the gas prices will go up (they are way up here already) the faster people start to think with their wallet and the bigger demand there is for low consumption vehicles.....I'm sure people living in LA knows a lot more about this... Yeah, Southern California folks know, and we have more 3.0L+ BMWs, 4.0L+ Mercedes, 3.0L Saabs than anywhere. You forget one major factor: Californians LOVE their cars. On a separate note, we went through one gas crunch already in the 70s. That brought amazing Japanese technology our way. The result, the Honda S2000 has the highest specific output of any production car in the world: 120bhp per liter (2.0L engine). The cost to do that, all power and torque peak within 1000RPM of its 9000RPM readline. Most people don't like to live with that on daily driving (I sure would though..my Acura is not far from that number). Bottom line, 90% of auto emissions are created by 1% of the cars on the road. These are older cars, and that statistic includes that vintage VW Bug driving around Helsinki.So I try and I scream and I beg and I sigh Just to prove I'm alive, and it's alright 'Cause tonight there's a way I'll make light of my treacherous life Make light! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
rgoper 0 #20 November 29, 2002 as a sidebar comment on electric vehichles, can you imigine a major collision in one? just yesterday i was watching cnbc in the morning, and they were showing electric technology, i don't believe i'd want battery acid all over any open wound(s) i may have in the unfortunate event of a collision or major accident. yich! vehichle emission technology is at it's best right now more than ever since the inception of the internal combustion engine. --Richard-- "We Will Not Be Shaken By Thugs, And Terroist" Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
cyberskydive 0 #21 November 29, 2002 I rode to lunch in one(electric car) when I was at the (old) GM training center in Atlanta. This was in 99 before they changed their training progam but anyway if I remember correctly we only had like 10 miles to drive on a full battery before we had to recharge it -lol-System.Windows.IUnknown.Crash.Reboot.Crash.Reboot.Freeze.Crash.Reboot.Break.Stuff.dot... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
jraf 0 #22 November 29, 2002 OK, I shall repeat that: 1. Jaaksa, due to your opinions I fart in your general direction 2. A personal attack on my nation personally annoys me. I personally retain the right to personally attack anybody who attack the country I live in. 3. Calling someone (this case Jaaksa) dumber than a box of hair might be considered a personal attack on a box of hair. 4. Let Jaaksa defend himself. Caution is prescribed when disarming land mines, not expressing opinions. If you expect me to be politically correct - dream on! 5. Anybody else afraid of their shadow?!!! 6. Last but not least: I am fucking rude, sue me!!!jraf Me Jungleman! Me have large Babalui. Muff #3275 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
PhreeZone 20 #23 November 29, 2002 Cool thing on the electric cars are they are rated to way more impact then a gas tank is. An impact thats enough to rupture the batteries has such a low surivalibility ratio that its way more likely you'll die before the batteries have a chance leak out. Even CNG tanks are able to be in fires for 2 minutes, be subjected to impacts way more then a gas tank could with stand and thats just the min's. With better fuel cells in the future there should be no reason battery powered cars can not take off and be adopted by the general population.Yesterday is history And tomorrow is a mystery Parachutemanuals.com Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
blueshrew 0 #24 November 29, 2002 Oh boy, I see you jump at ZHills, poor them Hope you don't take that too seriously. (added that to make sure) Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
jaaska 0 #25 November 29, 2002 Quote OK, I shall repeat that: 1. Jaaksa, due to your opinions I fart in your general direction 2. A personal attack on my nation personally annoys me. I personally retain the right to personally attack anybody who attack the country I live in. 3. Calling someone (this case Jaaksa) dumber than a box of hair might be considered a personal attack on a box of hair. 4. Let Jaaksa defend himself. Caution is prescribed when disarming land mines, not expressing opinions. If you expect me to be politically correct - dream on! 5. Anybody else afraid of their shadow?!!! 6. Last but not least: I am fucking rude, sue me!!! LOL! I'm sorry I didn't get to read your first post... If being a bit sarcastic counts as an attack against your great country, I see where Bush gets his ideas LOL! Could you specify whether that box of hair was american origin? There are always many ways to approach any given subject. Sometimes poking with a stick might wake up a person that would not otherwise started to comment on that given subject in the first place. What I'm interested to hear is - how come you think that I attacked your country and could you give any informative comment on e.g. the weapons inspection or international court issue? If the answer is: "We are the most powerful nation in the face of the earth and this grants us special privileges!" - Don't even bother to answer... ...Oh, and Happy Thanks Giving! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
