stupid reason to be angry?

[sharpfive 0]

I have a few electrics, too. I like Ernie Ball Hybrid Slinkies for rock/blues. Tried heavier gauge jazz strings and got instant carpal tunnel.

[nacmacfeegle 0]

Hmmmm, I wonder how many people knew the Star Spangled Banner was based on a drinking song?

The more I think about it, the more I like it!

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He who receives an idea from me, receives instruction himself without lessening mine; as he who lights his taper at mine, receives light without darkening me. Thomas Jefferson

[sharpfive 0]

Yep, and the exhibit at the History Mueseum features the lyrics to that number!

Cheers!

[BikerBabe 0]

jtval, I agree with you, and I think you should do something...whatever you decide to do will hopefully make a difference.

I remember one time I was on South Padre Island and I saw a group of girls sunbathing. Get this....they had a garrison-sized flag (that's one of the huge ones) laid out on the sand and they were all laying on it! And this wasn't a towel printed with the flag...this was an actual, no-shit, flag. Well, I marched right over there (with some of my friends) and told them what was what.

I don't think I'd ever been so angry. Ignorant bitches...

Never meddle in the affairs of dragons, for you are crunchy and taste good with ketchup!

[happythoughts 0]

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Hmmmm, I wonder how many people knew the Star Spangled Banner was based on a drinking song?

The more I think about it, the more I like it!

That's the way it should be. Instead of a two-party system, it should be just one big wild party. At the end of a 4-nighter, whoever still has the strength to want to be elected, gets the job.

[kmcguffee 0]

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Well, I marched right over there (with some of my friends) and told them what was what.

I don't think I'd ever been so angry. Ignorant bitches...

LOL..........I find myself attracted to you.

"Any fool can criticize, condemn and complain and most fools do." Ben Franklin

[blueshrew 0]

When I was in Florida last February, I couldn't help but notice that practically everywhere I looked, was an American flag in some form (bumper stickers, plaques stuck in the ground, to name a few). That seems to be something everyone here disapproves of, and as a non-American, I am now confused. I thought that was a sign of patriotism (which I've never seen elsewhere), but you seem to be implying the opposite. I'd be grateful for some clarification.
As far as I am aware, flags in many other countries are used as a form of identification, as a symbol for that country, and are not really an issue otherwise.

[SpeedRacer 1]

I don't think its a good idea to yell at people about this stuff. Many people genuinely don't understand the rules about displaying the flag.

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[SpeedRacer 1]

Guidelines for Displaying the Flag
1. The flag of the United States should be flown daily from sunrise to sunset in good weather from public buildings, schools, permanent staffs, and in or near polling places on election days. The flag may be displayed 24 hours a day on patriotic holidays or if properly illuminated.

2. The flag should not be displayed on days when the weather is bad, except when an all-weather flag is used.

3. The flag should always be flown on national and state holidays and on those occasions proclaimed by the President. On Memorial Day, the flag should be half staffed until noon.

4. The flag should be hoisted briskly and lowered ceremoniously. It should never be dipped to any person nor should it ever be displayed with the union down, except as a signal of dire distress.

5. The flag should never touch anything beneath it, nor should it ever be carried flat or horizontally.

6. It should never be used as wearing apparel, bedding, drapery, or decoration, nor for carrying or holding anything.

7. The flag should never be fastened, displayed, used, or stored in such a manner as to be easily torn, soiled, or damaged. It should never be used as a covering for a ceiling.

8. The flag should not be draped over the hood, top, sides, or back of a vehicle. When a flag is displayed on a car, the flag's staff should be fixed firmly to the chassis or clamped to the right fender.

9. The flag or its staff should never be used for advertising purpose in any manner whatsoever. Nor should any picture, drawing, insignia or other decoration be placed on or attached to the flag, its staff, or halyard.

10. The flag should not be embroidered on cushions, handkerchiefs, or other personal items nor printed on anything designed for temporary use and discarded. However, a flag patch may be affixed to the uniform of military personnel, firemen, policemen, or members of other patriotic organizations.

11. When the flag is so worn or soiled that it is no longer suitable for display, it should be destroyed in a dignified manner, preferably by burning.



FLAG-FLYING HOLIDAYS


New Year's Day Lincoln's Birthday Washington's Birthday
Armed Forces Day Memorial Day Flag Day
Independence Day V-J Day Labor Day
Thanksgiving Veterans' Day Pearl Harbor Day
Christmas State Admission Day

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[jtval 0]

as a mattwer of fact speedy,
I was gonna print a few instructions up so I can hand it to the fools!

BIKERBABE,

jtval, I agree with you, and I think you should do something...whatever you decide to do will hopefully make a difference
I decided against the the handout sheet and I decided to Burn the fukn gas station down... watch fo rit on the news(j/K)

My photos

My Videos

[blueshrew 0]

Celeste,

Nothing is more frustrating than the feeling 

that every time I fill-up the tank, I am sending my money to people who are trying to kill me, my family, and my friends.

I assume that this refers mainly to 9/11.
What many fail to see is that many Middle Eastern countries are or were affected by acts of terrorism as well. I originally come from Egypt, and my country has suffered a few attacks in the past that threatened to kill the only significant source of income it has, which is tourism. It was believed that the terrorists were trained in the Sudan (and by whom, I will tell you in a moment).
You may not believe most of this, but after 9/11 almost everybody I spoke to back home was very angry at the Arab leaders for ignoring the threat that terrorist groups pose to the whole world. It is a shame that those leaders don't use their resources to uncover such groups, when they would probably be better at it than others (e.g. the US).
A lot of the oil money that you think goes to "people who are trying to kill you", in fact goes to foreign companies. A lot of the companies that dig up there aren't local.
Blaming a mass of innocent people for the acts of f***ed up maniacs doesn't get anyone anywhere.
I know it is hard not to hate the countries that those terrorists were born in, but the believed to be Sudan trained terrorists that attacked Egypt, were also believed to be trained by Americans. I hope you see the irony here.

[billvon 3,072]

>that every time I fill-up the tank, I am sending my money to people
> who are trying to kill me, my family, and my friends.

You are, but as Snopes points out, using gas from _any_ company will contain some Iraqi oil. Some better alternatives:

A natural gas car, like the Honda GX. 99% of our natural gas is from the US, Canada and Mexico.

A diesel. A few car companies (like Volkswagen) still make them, and you can buy biodiesel made from 100% US crops for about $2.00 a gallon.

An electric vehicle. The Toyota RAV4 EV is available now, and most of our power comes from domestic coal. Only about 1% of US power comes from oil fired plants.

An FFV. FFV's can take any mixture of gas and alcohol, and the alcohol comes from US crops. The Taurus, the Ranger truck, and at least one Ford SUV are available as FFV's.

Any high efficiency car. There are now 4-5 vehicles that get better than 40mpg being sold in the US, and if demand goes down significantly, US oil will become cheaper than middle eastern oil (since it won't have to be shipped.)

[AggieDave 6]

That's not the entire code dude...

Here's the full text:

Sec. 1. - Flag; stripes and stars on

The flag of the United States shall be thirteen horizontal stripes, alternate red and white; and the union of the flag shall be fifty stars, white in a blue field.

Sec. 2. - Same; additional stars

On the admission of a new State into the Union one star shall be added to the union of the flag; and such addition shall take effect on the fourth day of July then next succeeding such admission.

Sec. 3. - Use of flag for advertising purposes; mutilation of flag

Any person who, within the District of Columbia, in any manner, for exhibition or display, shall place or cause to be placed any word, figure, mark, picture, design, drawing, or any advertisement of any nature upon any flag, standard, colors, or ensign of the United States of America; or shall expose or cause to be exposed to public view any such flag, standard, colors, or ensign upon which shall have been printed, painted, or otherwise placed, or to which shall be attached, appended, affixed, or annexed any word, figure, mark, picture, design, or drawing, or any advertisement of any nature; or who, within the District of Columbia, shall manufacture, sell, expose for sale, or to public view, or give away or have in possession for sale, or to be given away or for use for any purpose, any article or substance being an article of merchandise, or a receptacle for merchandise or article or thing for carrying or transporting merchandise, upon which shall have been printed, painted, attached, or otherwise placed a representation of any such flag, standard, colors, or ensign, to advertise, call attention to, decorate, mark, or distinguish the article or substance on which so placed shall be deemed guilty of a misdemeanor and shall be punished by a fine not exceeding $100 or by imprisonment for not more than thirty days, or both, in the discretion of the court. The words ''flag, standard, colors, or ensign'', as used herein, shall include any flag, standard, colors, ensign, or any picture or representation of either, or of any part or parts of either, made of any substance or represented on any substance, of any size evidently purporting to be either of said flag, standard, colors, or ensign of the United States of America or a picture or a representation of either, upon which shall be shown the colors, the stars and the stripes, in any number of either thereof, or of any part or parts of either, by which the average person seeing the same without deliberation may believe the same to represent the flag, colors, standard, or ensign of the United States of America.

Sec. 4. - Pledge of allegiance to the flag; manner of delivery

The Pledge of Allegiance to the Flag, I pledge allegiance to the Flag of the United States of America, and to the Republic for which it stands, one Nation under God, indivisible, with liberty and justice for all., should be rendered by standing at attention facing the flag with the right hand over the heart. When not in uniform men should remove their headdress with their right hand and hold it at the left shoulder, the hand being over the heart. Persons in uniform should remain silent, face the flag, and render the military salute.

Sec. 5. - Display and use of flag by civilians; codification of rules and customs; definition

The following codification of existing rules and customs pertaining to the display and use of the flag of the United States of America is established for the use of such civilians or civilian groups or organizations as may not be required to conform with regulations promulgated by one or more executive departments of the Government of the United States. The flag of the United States for the purpose of this chapter shall be defined according to sections 1 and 2 of this title and Executive Order 10834 issued pursuant thereto

Sec. 6. - Time and occasions for display

(a) It is the universal custom to display the flag only from sunrise to sunset on buildings and on stationary flagstaffs in the open. However, when a patriotic effect is desired, the flag may be displayed 24 hours a day if properly illuminated during the hours of darkness.

(b) The flag should be hoisted briskly and lowered ceremoniously.

(c) The flag should not be displayed on days when the weather is inclement, except when an all weather flag is displayed.

(d) The flag should be displayed on all days, especially on New Year's Day, January 1; Inauguration Day, January 20; Martin Luther King Jr.'s birthday, third Monday in January; Lincoln's Birthday, February 12; Washington's Birthday, third Monday in February; Easter Sunday (variable); Mother's Day, second Sunday in May; Armed Forces Day, third Saturday in May; Memorial Day (half-staff until noon), the last Monday in May; Flag Day, June 14; Independence Day, July 4; Labor Day, first Monday in September; Constitution Day, September 17; Columbus Day, second Monday in October; Navy Day, October 27; Veterans Day, November 11; Thanksgiving Day, fourth Thursday in November; Christmas Day, December 25; and such other days as may be proclaimed by the President of the United States; the birthdays of States (date of admission); and on State holidays.

(e) The flag should be displayed daily on or near the main administration building of every public institution.

(f) The flag should be displayed in or near every polling place on election days.

(g) The flag should be displayed during school days in or near every schoolhouse.

Sec. 7. - Position and manner of display

The flag, when carried in a procession with another flag or flags, should be either on the marching right; that is, the flag's own right, or, if there is a line of other flags, in front of the center of that line.

(a) The flag should not be displayed on a float in a parade except from a staff, or as provided in subsection (i) of this section.

(b) The flag should not be draped over the hood, top, sides, or back of a vehicle or of a railroad train or a boat. When the flag is displayed on a motorcar, the staff shall be fixed firmly to the chassis or clamped to the right fender.

(c) No other flag or pennant should be placed above or, if on the same level, to the right of the flag of the United States of America, except during church services conducted by naval chaplains at sea, when the church pennant may be flown above the flag during church services for the personnel of the Navy. No person shall display the flag of the United Nations or any other national or international flag equal, above, or in a position of superior prominence or honor to, or in place of, the flag of the United States at any place within the United States or any Territory or possession thereof: Provided, That nothing in this section shall make unlawful the continuance of the practice heretofore followed of displaying the flag of the United Nations in a position of superior prominence or honor, and other national flags in positions of equal prominence or honor, with that of the flag of the United States at the headquarters of the United Nations.

(d) The flag of the United States of America, when it is displayed with another flag against a wall from crossed staffs, should be on the right, the flag's own right, and its staff should be in front of the staff of the other flag.

(e) The flag of the United States of America should be at the center and at the highest point of the group when a number of flags of States or localities or pennants of societies are grouped and displayed from staffs.

(f) When flags of States, cities, or localities, or pennants of societies are flown on the same halyard with the flag of the United States, the latter should always be at the peak. When the flags are flown from adjacent staffs, the flag of the United States should be hoisted first and lowered last. No such flag or pennant may be placed above the flag of the United States or to the United States flag's right.

(g) When flags of two or more nations are displayed, they are to be flown from separate staffs of the same height. The flags should be of approximately equal size. International usage forbids the display of the flag of one nation above that of another nation in time of peace.

(h) When the flag of the United States is displayed from a staff projecting horizontally or at an angle from the window sill, balcony, or front of a building, the union of the flag should be placed at the peak of the staff unless the flag is at half-staff. When the flag is suspended over a sidewalk from a rope extending from a house to a pole at the edge of the sidewalk, the flag should be hoisted out, union first, from the building.

(i) When displayed either horizontally or vertically against a wall, the union should be uppermost and to the flag's own right, that is, to the observer's left. When displayed in a window, the flag should be displayed in the same way, with the union or blue field to the left of the observer in the street.

(j) When the flag is displayed over the middle of the street, it should be suspended vertically with the union to the north in an east and west street or to the east in a north and south street.

(k) When used on a speaker's platform, the flag, if displayed flat, should be displayed above and behind the speaker. When displayed from a staff in a church or public auditorium, the flag of the United States of America should hold the position of superior prominence, in advance of the audience, and in the position of honor at the clergyman's or speaker's right as he faces the audience. Any other flag so displayed should be placed on the left of the clergyman or speaker or to the right of the audience.

(l) The flag should form a distinctive feature of the ceremony of unveiling a statue or monument, but it should never be used as the covering for the statue or monument.

(m) The flag, when flown at half-staff, should be first hoisted to the peak for an instant and then lowered to the half-staff position. The flag should be again raised to the peak before it is lowered for the day. On Memorial Day the flag should be displayed at half-staff until noon only, then raised to the top of the staff. By order of the President, the flag shall be flown at half-staff upon the death of principal figures of the United States Government and the Governor of a State, territory, or possession, as a mark of respect to their memory. In the event of the death of other officials or foreign dignitaries, the flag is to be displayed at half-staff according to Presidential instructions or orders, or in accordance with recognized customs or practices not inconsistent with law. In the event of the death of a present or former official of the government of any State, territory, or possession of the United States, the Governor of that State, territory, or possession may proclaim that the National flag shall be flown at half-staff. The flag shall be flown at half-staff 30 days from the death of the President or a former President; 10 days from the day of death of the Vice President, the Chief Justice or a retired Chief Justice of the United States, or the Speaker of the House of Representatives; from the day of death until interment of an Associate Justice of the Supreme Court, a Secretary of an executive or military department, a former Vice President, or the Governor of a State, territory, or possession; and on the day of death and the following day for a Member of Congress. The flag shall be flown at half-staff on Peace Officers Memorial Day, unless that day is also Armed Forces Day. As used in this subsection -


(1) The term ''half-staff'' means the position of the flag when it is one-half the distance between the top and bottom of the staff;
(2) The term ''executive or military department'' means any agency listed under sections 101 and 102 of title 5, United States Code; and

(3) The term ''Member of Congress'' means a Senator, a Representative, a Delegate, or the Resident Commissioner from Puerto Rico.

(n) When the flag is used to cover a casket, it should be so placed that the union is at the head and over the left shoulder. The flag should not be lowered into the grave or allowed to touch the ground.

(o) When the flag is suspended across a corridor or lobby in a building with only one main entrance, it should be suspended vertically with the union of the flag to the observer's left upon entering. If the building has more than one main entrance, the flag should be suspended vertically near the center of the corridor or lobby with the union to the north, when entrances are to the east and west or to the east when entrances are to the north and south. If there are entrances in more than two directions, the union should be to the east.

Sec. 8. - Respect for flag

No disrespect should be shown to the flag of the United States of America; the flag should not be dipped to any person or thing. Regimental colors, State flags, and organization or institutional flags are to be dipped as a mark of honor.

(a) The flag should never be displayed with the union down, except as a signal of dire distress in instances of extreme danger to life or property.

(b) The flag should never touch anything beneath it, such as the ground, the floor, water, or merchandise.

(c) The flag should never be carried flat or horizontally, but always aloft and free.

(d) The flag should never be used as wearing apparel, bedding, or drapery. It should never be festooned, drawn back, nor up, in folds, but always allowed to fall free. Bunting of blue, white, and red, always arranged with the blue above, the white in the middle, and the red below, should be used for covering a speaker's desk, draping the front of the platform, and for decoration in general.

(e) The flag should never be fastened, displayed, used, or stored in such a manner as to permit it to be easily torn, soiled, or damaged in any way.

(f) The flag should never be used as a covering for a ceiling.

(g) The flag should never have placed upon it, nor on any part of it, nor attached to it any mark, insignia, letter, word, figure, design, picture, or drawing of any nature.

(h) The flag should never be used as a receptacle for receiving, holding, carrying, or delivering anything.

(i) The flag should never be used for advertising purposes in any manner whatsoever. It should not be embroidered on such articles as cushions or handkerchiefs and the like, printed or otherwise impressed on paper napkins or boxes or anything that is designed for temporary use and discard. Advertising signs should not be fastened to a staff or halyard from which the flag is flown.

(j) No part of the flag should ever be used as a costume or athletic uniform. However, a flag patch may be affixed to the uniform of military personnel, firemen, policemen, and members of patriotic organizations. The flag represents a living country and is itself considered a living thing. Therefore, the lapel flag pin being a replica, should be worn on the left lapel near the heart.

(k) The flag, when it is in such condition that it is no longer a fitting emblem for display, should be destroyed in a dignified way, preferably by burning.

Sec. 9. - Conduct during hoisting, lowering or passing of flag

During the ceremony of hoisting or lowering the flag or when the flag is passing in a parade or in review, all persons present except those in uniform should face the flag and stand at attention with the right hand over the heart. Those present in uniform should render the military salute. When not in uniform, men should remove their headdress with their right hand and hold it at the left shoulder, the hand being over the heart. Aliens should stand at attention. The salute to the flag in a moving column should be rendered at the moment the flag passes.

Sec. 10. - Modification of rules and customs by President

Any rule or custom pertaining to the display of the flag of the United States of America, set forth herein, may be altered, modified, or repealed, or additional rules with respect thereto may be prescribed, by the Commander in Chief of the Armed Forces of the United States, whenever he deems it to be appropriate or desirable; and any such alteration or additional rule shall be set forth in a proclamation.

--"When I die, may I be surrounded by scattered chrome and burning gasoline."

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Hmmmm, I wonder how many people knew the Star Spangled Banner was based on a drinking song?

The more I think about it, the more I like it!

The melody is from "To Anachreon in Heaven", but the lyrics are of course, FS Key's...

I heard the original sung in Williamsburg at one of the authentic Colonial-period restaurants there a few years ago. Entertaining to say the least.

mh

"The mouse does not know life until it is in the mouth of the cat."

[AggieDave 6]

And of course it wasn't originally a song, just a poem...

--"When I die, may I be surrounded by scattered chrome and burning gasoline."

[BikerBabe 0]

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diesel. A few car companies (like Volkswagen) still make them,

My parents just bought a brand new Jetta TDI...49 mpg. And I'll tell you what: I'm in love! That is one awesome car!

We are the proud owners of a full-size diesel van. We just got it. Our old van would get about 9 mpg. This one gets 16-17 mpg on the highway AND has more power.

Now...if I could only afford a Jetta...

Never meddle in the affairs of dragons, for you are crunchy and taste good with ketchup!

[AggieDave 6]

Diesel, shit a lot of companies still make them, Chevy, Ford, Dodge, just to name a few. Now, they're 3/4ton and full-ton pickups, but they get excellent fuel milage (honestly). A friend of mine basically puts fuel in his F-250 once a month and he gets some sort of obscene amount of milage out of it.

--"When I die, may I be surrounded by scattered chrome and burning gasoline."

[billvon 3,072]

>We are the proud owners of a full-size diesel van. We just got it. Our
> old van would get about 9 mpg. This one gets 16-17 mpg on the
> highway AND has more power.

Try biodiesel if you ever get the chance. Your mileage will go up a bit more.

[tspillers 0]

For clarification on the Friend with a Deisel.

I have 70 gal of fuel capacity. I have installed a $1500 exhaust and a high performance chip. This required an EGT gauge to prevent burning up the engine.

The way you drive it will drastically change the mileage. If I do 120 mph, it isn't great. I can get right at 20 mpg with more conservative driving. A big factor is oil changes since the spark is actually advanced off of the oil pressure.

Todd

I am not totally useless, I can be used as a bad example.

[celeste 0]

I agree with both of you guys the point should be to stop giving money to the terrorists, not the countries that happen to be around.

But I do think that letters are only ONE way to protest something you disapprove of. $$ talks, and in this respect, if you want to be heard, use your pocketbook.

I am not without my flaws this way, but I do try to make the effort. For example:

I buy soaps, shampoos etc. that do not make a practice of tasting on animals

I try to buy from the neighborhood shops when available, instead of the big chains...etc etc

I like your points but... Deisel here in MN? I would have Molasses for fuel every winter. We do use corn additive though (we have lots of corn) from October to March to save fuel.

As for the flag issue, I dated a Marine for a couple years, and I know how much this issue got to him, but he'd try to look at the intentions, look at how many more people are displaying their flag now since 9/11.

Of course Kid Rock is a great example of flag abuse and I still buy his CD's

[Zenister 0]

my roommate just got a little silver Golf TDI.. (you'll see it at Eloy regularly) and i was real impressed. Its to small for me but its seriously making me consider a Jetta. I hadnt heard any opinions of the TDI Jetta yet, but with the mileage she's getting (Perris and back on one tank) I'm really leaning towards a diesel too...

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