DJL 235 #76 November 8, 2002 QuoteNo, we just gave money to Osama Bin Laden so that he could do it for us. Do WHAT for us? Please post the specifics of the terrorist strikes we sponsored against the USSR. -doug"I encourage all awesome dangerous behavior." - Jeffro Fincher Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kmcguffee 0 #77 November 8, 2002 QuoteRight, so you go and kill another US CITIZEN on a suspicion...... I think that you are assuming they knew beforehand that they were killing a US citizen. I don't believe that. "Any fool can criticize, condemn and complain and most fools do." Ben Franklin Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
freeflir29 0 #78 November 8, 2002 Quotebecause that eliminated terrorism activity in Israel. I sincerely hope you aren't trying to draw ANY similarities between the situation in Israel and the US Vs. terrorism. The only one I can think of is that we are both fighting Arabs. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
SkyDekker 1,465 #79 November 8, 2002 QuoteWhat I am saying is in this case I feel that what a certain part of the US government did was, in my opinion, consistent with the policy that was established by the US government after 9/11/01. Right and all I am saying is that based on the mistakes made in the past, maybe we should not blindly accept what we are being told and what is being done. Because we know your intelligence community, just like all the others, make mistakes. BIG MISTAKES. Just think of the hearings of how 9/11 could have been prevented...... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kmcguffee 0 #80 November 8, 2002 Quote Because we know your intelligence community, just like all the others, make mistakes. BIG MISTAKES. Yeah, and everybody knows that people aren't allowed to make mistakes! What are you damned Americans thinking! "Any fool can criticize, condemn and complain and most fools do." Ben Franklin Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
PhillyKev 0 #81 November 8, 2002 All of the terrorist strikes against the USSR by Al Queda were sponsored by us. We helped form and fund the organization for the purpose of carrying out terrorist activities against the Soviets. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
cgross 1 #82 November 8, 2002 "The Nazi party in Germany didn't seize power overnight. It was years of small moves in that direction that got them to where they did. I see this as a small move in that same direction. -------------------------------------------------------------- Slightly different thing going on back then. Ravaged country and economy due to a war 15 yrs earlier. Desparate people were looking for anyone to fill the void. But seriously, are you happier not know what the CIA is up to? this stuff happens all the time. I am surprized and happy to see the info. Atleast they are being honest to us. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
SkyDekker 1,465 #83 November 8, 2002 Quote Now there is a lot lower threshold where Canadians are concerned. I know, that is why I am concerned about what you guys are doing to your own citizens. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
PhillyKev 0 #84 November 8, 2002 QuoteI sincerely hope you aren't trying to draw ANY similarities between the situation in Israel and the US Vs. terrorism. The only one I can think of is that we are both fighting Arabs. And that we're starting to employ the same tactics the Israelis use that we have publicly condemned (the day after our attack in Yemen) and that haven't worked for them. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Luminous 0 #85 November 8, 2002 Quote Right, so you go and kill another US CITIZEN on a suspicion...... It's sounds like you don't understand that Mr. Hajazi was not the intended target in this strike. His demise is due solely to the people with which he chose to associate. I'm outta this thread.'In an insane society a sane person seems insane.' Mr. Spock Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
SkyDekker 1,465 #86 November 8, 2002 QuoteWe'll just agree to disagree at this point. Sounds good to me. Time to find my balaclava (spelling?) and find me some cold, cold blue sky.... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
freeflir29 0 #87 November 8, 2002 QuoteWe helped form and fund the organization for the purpose of carrying out terrorist activities against the Soviets Can you name one terrorist strike? Just one....I certainly don't know of any. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kmcguffee 0 #88 November 8, 2002 QuoteAll of the terrorist strikes against the USSR by Al Queda were sponsored by us. We never funded Al Queda. We funded the Mujahedeen. The Al Queda were a splinter group of the Mujahedeen. The Mujahedeen were fighting for their independence from a foreign occupying government at the time. They were using guerilla tactics aimed at military personnel. This was not a terrorist organization at the time. I'm sure they were not choir boys but they were not deemed terrorists by anyone, including Russia, at the time. "Any fool can criticize, condemn and complain and most fools do." Ben Franklin Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
SkyDekker 1,465 #89 November 8, 2002 QuoteYeah, and everybody knows that people aren't allowed to make mistakes! What are you damned Americans thinking! Sure people are allowed to make mistakes, that is why when it comes to peoples lives, we like some form of stringent control. More control than what it seems the CIA was using in this particular case. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Michele 1 #90 November 8, 2002 Quotefind me some cold, cold blue sky.... You know it's a rainy friday when I read that as "find some cold, cold skyy (vodka, that is...)"... Ciels! Michele ~Do Angels keep the dreams we seek While our hearts lie bleeding?~ Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
PhillyKev 0 #91 November 8, 2002 QuoteSlightly different thing going on back then. Ravaged country and economy due to a war 15 yrs earlier. Desparate people were looking for anyone to fill the void. Right and we just have a lagging economy that many economists predict could slip into deflation, which coupled with the largest debt to gnp ratio in history is the perfect spark for a full blown depression. Oh yeah, and desperate people looking for any method, no matter what the cost in personal liberties, to feel safe again. I'm done with this thread. I just wanted to alert the people who do care as to what is happening in the world. If you don't care about the slow demise of freedom, I'm not going to convince you to start. Hopefully I'm wrong and we won't start rounding up US citizens and holding them without trial in concentration camps like we did to the Japanese-Americans 60 years ago. As if that was really such a long time ago. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
SkyDekker 1,465 #92 November 8, 2002 QuoteYou know it's a rainy friday when I read that as "find some cold, cold skyy (vodka, that is...)"... That would do great for now. But time to get in my car, drive the two hours I need to get home. Spend some time with my fiancee who I havent seen at all this week. Then time for a couple of jumps tomorrow, prob the last ones before I get married in 29 days......... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
happythoughts 0 #93 November 8, 2002 "That's the point that I'm trying to make. Once we let the constitutional rights of citizens be trampled..." This guys "rights" weren't trampled. He got blown up. Good idea. He lost his "rights" when he began "aiding and abetting the enemy". What I like to refer to as treason. The most disgusting type of treason. I'll be right back...I'm going to go smoke some crack so that your defense of this idiots life will make sense. War sucks, especially if you are the losers. Maybe these boneheads will re-think their terrorism policy if they realize that we're gone get them at home. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
cgross 1 #94 November 8, 2002 Is that really what you think? I am being serious. You really seemed parinoid and worried that this country is going to quickly fall into a dictators hands, and that the world is coming to an end. I am not trying to argue with you, I just want you to realize that we knew this was coming, and this was something that needs to be done. Bush said it a year ago, and did you doubt it then. If this happened on Sept20th 2001 would you be that upset? Or is it that it has been so long since 9/11 that we should stop fighting the war? THIS GUY WAS NOT THE TARGET. he unfortunately got in the way. SHIT HAPPENS> Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
cgross 1 #95 November 8, 2002 LMAO at that crack comment Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
SkyDekker 1,465 #96 November 8, 2002 QuoteI'll be right back...I'm going to go smoke some crack so that your defense of this idiots life will make sense. War sucks, especially if you are the losers. Maybe these boneheads will re-think their terrorism policy if they realize that we're gone get them at home. The scary thing is that that is the exact reasoning and justification used by al qaida once they admitted they had flown aircraft into WTC and the pentagon. Happythoughts, please explain to me, where is the line? When is due process needed and when can we just kill? Who gets to decide that and when? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
cgross 1 #97 November 8, 2002 We get to just kill when we feel there is am emminent threat to our well being. Same as the police. If they feel their life is in danger they can shoot. We (you and I) do not know what the CIA knows, and therefore can not say they made the wrong decision Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
PhillyKev 0 #98 November 8, 2002 Ok. last comment to those who replied as I was. A) I'm not defending anyone, I'm condemning the actions of our government. B) I'm not paranoid, I'm a student of history. I don't think it's likely that we'll slip into a depression or become Nazi Germany. But only as long as we remain diligent in protecting our freedom from those who would take it away. c) We should not stop fighting terrorism. But our government has readily admitted that it's been a huge mistake in the past to let the CIA lead military operations without the formal chain of command and authority present in the armed forces, so why are we repeating that mistake? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
PhillyKev 0 #99 November 8, 2002 QuoteWe get to just kill when we feel there is am emminent threat to our well being. Well, I think your differing opinion is a threat to my well being. Is it ok for me to kill you? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
cgross 1 #100 November 8, 2002 Well, that sounded like the most intelligent thing you have said so farI respect your beliefs. That is cool. I even understand why you believe that. You bring up some good points, but just don't make it sound like you were defending the enemy. I did come off that way for a bit. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
