skydiverbrian 0 #27 July 29, 2002 QuoteI simply wanted to try how it effects the canopy if the risers are separated a few inces more If they separate during opening sequence, you'll know why he 'banned' you. When I read your original post, I understood that you asked your JM how to loosed the chest strap ON THE GROUND. To loosen the chest strap after the canopy opens and is flying straight is another story. It will improve performance, but not significantly. As for a loose chest strap helping with an arch position, you should quantify 'loose'. Correct would be just enough so that when you arch, it becomes snug. Any looser and you might spend your last 12 seconds wishing it had been tighter. In a world full of people, only some want to fly... isn't that crazy! --Seal Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
christoofar 0 #28 July 29, 2002 QuoteIf I over heard a student asking about loosening a chest strap... you bet I'd be grabbing thier JM and letting them know what I heard. I've got just under 400 jumps and hardly ever loosen the chest strap. Its just not worth the hassle to me at my level of canopy flying. I agree on this one whole-heartedly. I am of the philosophy that touching the leg and/or chest straps AT ANY TIME under canopy is very, very bad unless you are under excrutiating pain from it and you are willing to live (or die) by the consequences. I am so paranoid about the straps popping out from taking the pressure off I have nightmares about falling out of my rig. I constantly keep them tight at all times and examine them in the plane almost constantly!!!! ____________________________________________________________ I'm RICK JAMES! Fo shizzle. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
howardwhite 6 #29 July 29, 2002 I dunno what happened. I asked him what a "B licensed student " is, I said "laws" in the US don't govern such things. And I said I thought the punishment too harsh. Guess that's why I'm still a "Newbie." Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
PhreeZone 20 #30 July 29, 2002 Chris, if you have ever done a tandem, under canopy most TM's disconnect the lower leg straps and have the student hanging from the uppers only. Adjusting the harness is common. On CRW jumps I'll tweek it as the formation is flying along, but I still don't overly loosen the chest strap. If its too tight I'll loosen it till its comfy but thats it.Yesterday is history And tomorrow is a mystery Parachutemanuals.com Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
christoofar 0 #31 July 29, 2002 Phree: I know tandem instructors loosen the straps on the student harness... there's also lots of slack and stops on them to move around. I've loosened my leg straps before because of pain, but I've found it much easier to just wear bike shorts and/or and comfy underpants than to mess with the straps. I've had a chest strap pop on opening on an old vector (there were no signs of wear on the fritction buckle when it was last looked at). Scared the living beejeesus out of me. It's just a paranoia thing with me, I guess. Those little straps are the only thing keeping me in the rig. I like to let them do their jobs and don't F with them while they're working so hard to keep my fat ass in the air. I guess I would be less paranoid about messing with my straps if rigs had some sort of easily-removable buckle on the end of straps in addition to the stops that are in vogue right now. With Javelins and Racers, whenever I am jumping with someone... I will take extra precaution and knot the chest strap slack to ensure that it's going no where in case some arm comes out of no where and knocks that chest strap loose. Also makes sense to keep those straps tight and knotted on Mr. Bill dives... ____________________________________________________________ I'm RICK JAMES! Fo shizzle. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
PhreeZone 20 #32 July 29, 2002 > loosen the straps on the student harness Nope... most unclip the lower connectors all together. No need to have them there once freefall is over. >I've had a chest strap pop on opening on an old vector (there were no signs of wear on the fritction buckle when it was last looked at). Are you sure it was fastened correctly? I've seen lots of harness and as long as the chest strap was routed right its next to impossible to accidently pop a chest strap. I've got a Javelin with a 1 inch wide chest strap and no end stop on it. I've never had an issue with it wanting to come undone when properally assembled.Yesterday is history And tomorrow is a mystery Parachutemanuals.com Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Hooknswoop 19 #33 July 29, 2002 Quote> loosen the straps on the student harness Nope... most unclip the lower connectors all together. No need to have them there once freefall is over. Quote After opening, I loosen the students chest strap and disconnect, loosen, and then re-attach the lower connections on tandems. If I have to cutaway for any reason, I want the lower connections still attached. Hook Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites konradptr 0 #34 July 29, 2002 What is the problem here? Except for the fact that he has limited jumps, you are not going to fall out once the canopy is open and you adjust the chest straps. If you are loosening, your arms are hooked around the harness anyways, so you are not going to fall out. Several harnesses have doubled-over chest and leg straps, so even if it was released, you have to monkey around with the doubled over part... It will help performance as much as stowing a slider behind your neck, I would assume, but jumping a large, relatively lightly-loaded Sabre won't make a difference. ------------------------------------------ Getting banned isn't that bad...... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Deuce 1 #35 July 29, 2002 Isn't it remotely possible that at 2 grand everything seems fine but something goes wrong and you cutaway only to tumble out of your harness? Also, (not clear) if they told you not to monkey with the chest strap, and then you did, they grounded you to get you to listen. If they grounded you to punish you for asking a question, immigrate to the U.S.. What Nazi jackasses. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites cop 0 #36 October 26, 2002 [font "Verdana,Arial,Helvetica"][size 1]In Reply To[/size][/font] this just sounds weird all the way around.... Are you sure there isn't more to the story? "As far as i know of yes. There should be no more to the story." Ville, are you sure that there is no more story??? What about jumpmasters reprimands and your attitude for safety issues in past??? And you didn't tell how your chest strap was after loosening. We want to hear more! "You can call me Mike" Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
konradptr 0 #34 July 29, 2002 What is the problem here? Except for the fact that he has limited jumps, you are not going to fall out once the canopy is open and you adjust the chest straps. If you are loosening, your arms are hooked around the harness anyways, so you are not going to fall out. Several harnesses have doubled-over chest and leg straps, so even if it was released, you have to monkey around with the doubled over part... It will help performance as much as stowing a slider behind your neck, I would assume, but jumping a large, relatively lightly-loaded Sabre won't make a difference. ------------------------------------------ Getting banned isn't that bad...... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Deuce 1 #35 July 29, 2002 Isn't it remotely possible that at 2 grand everything seems fine but something goes wrong and you cutaway only to tumble out of your harness? Also, (not clear) if they told you not to monkey with the chest strap, and then you did, they grounded you to get you to listen. If they grounded you to punish you for asking a question, immigrate to the U.S.. What Nazi jackasses. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
cop 0 #36 October 26, 2002 [font "Verdana,Arial,Helvetica"][size 1]In Reply To[/size][/font] this just sounds weird all the way around.... Are you sure there isn't more to the story? "As far as i know of yes. There should be no more to the story." Ville, are you sure that there is no more story??? What about jumpmasters reprimands and your attitude for safety issues in past??? And you didn't tell how your chest strap was after loosening. We want to hear more! "You can call me Mike" Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
skreamer 1 #37 October 26, 2002 Why resurrect this thread after 3 months? Has the dude been banned again? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
cop 0 #38 October 26, 2002 No, but I just find it. And I need to reply this because I was the one who talked to this guy and head of training division... "You can call me Mike" Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
BMFin 0 #39 October 26, 2002 Quote Ville, are you sure that there is no more story??? What about jumpmasters reprimands and your attitude for safety issues in past??? Well In my opinion I have never done any wrong or stupid actions. Allthough I have been the type of person who likes to ask and open something to question. Ofcourse jumpmasters might sometimes be irritated when "a 45 jump wonder" is making too much questions. But I would like to make clear that according to my memory I have always played by the safety rules and never broken rules. So in my opinion this time "loosening the chest-strap" was the only time I have done something agaist regulations. (and it was not even intentional rule braking) Only time before this I remember beeing spoken by the safetymanager in Hanko. This is the only reprimand I remember getting before banning. It was about riding a motorbike on the runway. Many other people had been driving on the runway before me, but they didnt seem to get any feedback from it. One of the jumpmasters on our club said me before I started the engine : "just check the airspace and its ok. Have fun" So In a way I had a permission for it. Maby this was an incidet wich created my bad image among the "club crew" Please refresh my memory If there is some other reprimands or expamles of my safety attitude. QuoteAnd you didn't tell how your chest strap was after loosening. We want to hear more! Do you mean how much did I loosen it ? Not nearly to the end like people usually do. Maby about 10cm. And no.. It didnt really improve the flight charasteristics of a sabre 150 I agree this was a stupid action and is not acceptable for students. Well anyways as I said .. No hard feelings towards anyone. I was just a bit disapointed to get such a sanction. -Ville- Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
cop 0 #40 October 26, 2002 "Do you mean how much did I loosen it ? " I ment that it was twisted trough chest buckle... You sure know who is responsible afterwards after checking student's equipments before jump, don't you? "I agree this was a stupid action and is not acceptable for students. " You are reading my mind... "No hard feelings towards anyone. I was just a bit disapointed to get such a sanction. " Hey, people have got even "rest of the season grounded"-sanctions. And you have jumped after that this year, did you? "You can call me Mike" Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
BMFin 0 #41 October 26, 2002 Quote Hey, people have got even "rest of the season grounded"-sanctions. And you have jumped after that this year, did you? Well Actually I havent. I did hurt my hurt my ankle when wakeboarding about 1 week after this. Also I have been waiting for my own gear for the next season... But next season I will jump my ass off ! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
cop 0 #42 October 26, 2002 Hey, you need your ass to jump so dont jump it off. And be carefull with that Hornet.... "You can call me Mike" Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
SkyPsycho 0 #43 October 26, 2002 QuoteI'm curious. I'm a new jumper (11 jumps so far) and I don't understand loosening your chest strap. I was taught that it should be loose to do your arch. Can someone please clarify for me? Tks. i been sitting back reading these posts, and finally, someone said something that makes sense........i was wondering how long it would take for someone to make that point...... i would always listen to new jumpers saying , im having a hard time arching hard, what can i do to go faster......id say, lean back hard, go on, arch right now.....and while they were leaning back id give their chest strap buckle a quick flip, and poof, instant more arch. loosening a chest strap is not dangerous, and it should be somewhat loose, AS LONG AS IT IS FASTENED CORRECTLY AND HAS A STOP _______________________________ HK MP5SD.........silence is golden Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
