kinda weird

[Ifrinn 0]

When u go to america, everyone loves Bush, or at least most of them do.
But if u go to europe, nobody likes him, most even hate him.

thats the one thing I really don't get ...
Actually, I do ...

[Shiin 0]

Too true!
Ne Ifrinn, Most Europeans I know agree that Bush sux... and actually, so do a lot of Americans I know! but more Europeans...
I think what really bugs everyone is that one Liiittle thing: He seems to think that America is allowed to have weapons, because 'they only use them for defense' *cough cough*
but everyone else has to get rid of them...
I'm sorry, but Bush is kinda thick no offense ^^;;

Love is fragile; grasp it too hard and it will break, hold it too loosely and it will slip from your fingers and shatter.

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From an Americans point of view, it seems that we like Bush for the fact that he is ready to tell the world to shove off and do what he thinks is right for his country, like every other world leader does without falling under the scutiny of the rest of the world. It appears to me that the rest of the world dislikes him because he seems to be doing things with out their permission, well guess what, they did not elect him, we did. It is the same thing as how it seems that there is a majority of countries out there that harbor anti-US sentiments, but what country is the first to send aid after an earthquake, or a flood. Who do the French despise now but were extremely happen to see back in 1944. Yet with all the negative feelings toward the US, we will still send aid, help suffering and never ask for anything in return.

Oh sorry, sore subject.

I'm not afriad of dying, I'm afraid of never really living- Erin Engle

[Shiin 0]

Excuse me?
I have nothing against Americans ya, I just think Bush is an idiot and no, not because he's the 'saviour of the world' because he thinks he can do every bloody thing he wants! it's not only 'asking permission', he's trying to rule the world by himself!
He want Iraq to abide by UN regulations, yet he's willing to go against the UN and attack Iraq!
I'm brittish, yet I also think Blair's an idiot for going along with him... (I'm gonna shoot the dog... *grins*)
Na, think what you want, ya? I'm too tired to argue

Love is fragile; grasp it too hard and it will break, hold it too loosely and it will slip from your fingers and shatter.

[nacmacfeegle 0]

I disagree, its not that I hate him....I just don't agree with SOME of his policies.
Being the leader of the most powerful nation on earth can't be an easy job at the best of times, but when you have a large majority of the country (not to mention the civilised world) outraged by an attack, and baying for blood, its gotta be even more difficult.

From my point of view there's a lot of things European premieres have done in the not too distant past that are nothing to be proud of.

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He who receives an idea from me, receives instruction himself without lessening mine; as he who lights his taper at mine, receives light without darkening me. Thomas Jefferson

[Ifrinn 0]

From my point of view there's a lot of things European premieres have done in the not too distant past that are nothing to be proud of.

can u tell me what do u exactly mean?

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Too true!
: He seems to think that America is allowed to have weapons, because 'they only use them for defense' but everyone else has to get rid of them...
I'm sorry, but Bush is kinda thick no offense ^^;;

Weapons, mmm let's see. England... yes
France... yes. India... seems so.... Pakistan... seems like it to me. Anybody else that I am missing? Oh wait that so very stable country... Russia. It seems to me that these countries have no problems for the US. It is not the weapons but the countries that have them that are willing to use them for aggressive warfare (read armed robbery writ large). And if you do follow world polotics, just about every American president since WWII has been concerned with this. And most of the democratically elected leaders around the world feel the same way. The poblem is that when the UN decides the way things should be in the world, the US steps up to the plate and causes the US to appear the bad guy in some cases... ie Somalia... UN mission, US scapegoat. If every body wants to pick at us fine, but please don't expect us to pull your ass out of the fir next time, I am sure that our service men who go into harms way to help people out then get spit at won't mind at all staying home with their wives and children just this on time.

Don't get me wrong, I voted for John McCain, but sooneer or later the rest of the world needs to find some one else to pick on. Remember the Soviet Reds and the 1938-1945 time frame... who were the good guys, did we not win any respect?

I'm not afriad of dying, I'm afraid of never really living- Erin Engle

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Weapons, mmm let's see. England... yes
France... yes. India... seems so.... Pakistan... seems like it to me.

I never said that other countries didn't also have weapons, I'm just saying that the US are a bunch of hypocrits ^_^

also, the US seems to butt in on anything and everything, but they have enough problems of their own as well, see?
If they can get rid of their own problems, by all means they can advise the rest of the world - I just don't want them butting in on everything...
oh well... I'm gonna shut up for a while now........ or not

Love is fragile; grasp it too hard and it will break, hold it too loosely and it will slip from your fingers and shatter.

[nacmacfeegle 0]

French atomic testing at Moorea (sp) atoll, and the sinking of the Rainbow Warrior in NZ.
The UK's 'handling' of the situation in Northern Ireland.
The sinking of the Belgrano during the Falklands conflict.
Sitting back and watching Yugoslavia tear itself to pieces.
Supporting Kuwait, yet ignoring Tibet, Rwanda, etc
Conflicts involving outmoded colonialism such as the Congo, etc

What I'm trying to say is that before we criticise an all too easy target, perhaps some introspection might be a good idea.

That doesn't mean that we shouldn't stop questioning our colonial cousin's policies, its just that none of us are totally whiter than white.
peace
D

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He who receives an idea from me, receives instruction himself without lessening mine; as he who lights his taper at mine, receives light without darkening me. Thomas Jefferson

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also, the US seems to butt in on anything and everything, but they have enough problems of their own as well, see?
If they can get rid of their own problems, by all means they can advise the rest of the world - I just don't want them butting in on everything...

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The poblem is that when the UN decides the way things should be in the world, the US steps up to the plate and causes the US to appear the bad guy in some cases... ie Somalia... UN mission, US scapegoat. If every body wants to pick at us fine, but please don't expect us to pull your ass out of the fir next time, I am sure that our service men who go into harms way to help people out then get spit at won't mind at all staying home with their wives and children just this on time.

With the fear of being repetitive. Fine... no more UN peacekeeping missions that are keeping our service men oversees for 7,8,9 months at a time. Just quit aking for our help when the wheat just doesn't seem to want to grow this year. I can think of at least 4 active duty personel that would have rather never gone to Bosnia and just stayed home skydiving.

I'm not afriad of dying, I'm afraid of never really living- Erin Engle

[Ifrinn 0]

yeah fine,
but there is nothing to say about switzerland and scottland
PLEASE don't come up with the holocaust!

[Shiin 0]

umm..... ye what?
I don't recall ever asking for help from anyone, let alone the US

Love is fragile; grasp it too hard and it will break, hold it too loosely and it will slip from your fingers and shatter.

[quatorze 1]

No I don't think the swiss ever would have asked for help... they have yet to pick a side

I'm not afriad of dying, I'm afraid of never really living- Erin Engle

[nacmacfeegle 0]

The Scots, hell we invented soccer violence, and still maintain outmoded religious bigotry. We have driven our own people off their lands, because it made better financial sense to populate it with sheep.

The Swiss...hmm kinda difficult to think up something your govt has done recently that I personally disagree with. Apart from all those damn clocks, that triangular chocolate, and those fiddly little penknives.

Hmmm, if I were an international terrorist, where would I stash my war chest?

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He who receives an idea from me, receives instruction himself without lessening mine; as he who lights his taper at mine, receives light without darkening me. Thomas Jefferson

[Shiin 0]

Naa, I'm scottish, I just grew up in Switzerland

Love is fragile; grasp it too hard and it will break, hold it too loosely and it will slip from your fingers and shatter.

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There's still not as many sheep in Scotland as there are in Wales or New Zealand ^_^
but ya, I guess we are a Little (ya right) violent at times ^^;;

the world would be boring if we had no-one to argue with, and seeing as Bush is pissing me off at the mo, that's who I go against

Love is fragile; grasp it too hard and it will break, hold it too loosely and it will slip from your fingers and shatter.

[nacmacfeegle 0]

"I don't recall ever asking for help from anyone, let alone the US"
Ummm, we asked for, and got a whole load of help from Uncle Sam about 60 years ago. And by golly we needed it.

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He who receives an idea from me, receives instruction himself without lessening mine; as he who lights his taper at mine, receives light without darkening me. Thomas Jefferson

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Thanks for the save I was worried that this may get a little too heated for this forum.

Hey NAC, thanks for remembering, I am sure that my gradfather would really appreciate that.

I'm not afriad of dying, I'm afraid of never really living- Erin Engle

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I said 'I never recall asking help of anyone'
I never said the scots didn't

Love is fragile; grasp it too hard and it will break, hold it too loosely and it will slip from your fingers and shatter.

[nacmacfeegle 0]

"the world would be boring if we had no-one to argue with"

Its also quite good fun to noise up the colonials every now and again too.....

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He who receives an idea from me, receives instruction himself without lessening mine; as he who lights his taper at mine, receives light without darkening me. Thomas Jefferson

[Shiin 0]

Being a pain in the ass is fun

Love is fragile; grasp it too hard and it will break, hold it too loosely and it will slip from your fingers and shatter.

[quatorze 1]

Its also quite good fun to noise up the colonials every now and again too.....

[nacmacfeegle 0]

"I am sure that my gradfather would really appreciate that."

Lest we forget bro...

Besides, I know for a fact that most US citizens are actually quite decent people underneath it all. My time in Texas taught me that.

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He who receives an idea from me, receives instruction himself without lessening mine; as he who lights his taper at mine, receives light without darkening me. Thomas Jefferson

[Shiin 0]

ne, I've been known to start using people as punch-bags, ne Ifrinn

Love is fragile; grasp it too hard and it will break, hold it too loosely and it will slip from your fingers and shatter.

[Ifrinn 0]

be quiet ....!!

*slaps her*




hmmm why do lokk like that suddenly .. ?? ...
was that me ...hmm ... i'm sorry .. !