ScottB 0 #1 September 9, 2002 In April 2002, I got an e-mail form a girl visiting my website thanking me for putting my first jump video viewable to the public. She then told me that she was thinking of doing her first jump and my video is great motivation. Well, yesterday, I was cleaning out the ol' email inbox and I ran across this e-mail again, so I decided to drop her a line and asked if she every did her first jump. Here's her reply: Hi Scott, So about 3 weeks ago... I take my FJC... I was so nervous. I went up with the plane.. I came down with the plane. I just got so scared and then my jumpmaster told me I was being a baby and then I cried. I haven't given up and I am going back out in the next week or two to try again. I still watch your video for motivation. Thanks again for posting it. I"ll let you know when I make the leap! take care, Well, this sort of disturbed me. She was scared, so the jumpmaster called her a baby? Hrm. I just don't know what to think about this. If this is the way it really happened, then I must disagree with the JM technique. What do you think? --ScottB Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
carbonezone 0 #2 September 9, 2002 This is simply bullshit...... Some jumpmasters just dont get it!!! A baby...no she is not....she got in the plane, just couldnt get out. If he really did call her a baby once down on the ground, its a pretty good indication that he did not support her in the plane (it was probably very visible that she was scared). This jumpmaster should be fired!!!! ME PISSED WHEN I HEAR OR SEE THIS Please give her some encouragment!!! Blues, Tami Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ernokaikkonen 0 #3 September 9, 2002 I totally agree. That kind of behaviour is not helping the jumper, is bad business and just generally mean. I'd recommend finding a DZ with better instructors. Erno Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Jumperpaula 0 #4 September 9, 2002 Are you sure it wasn't "Hey Baby", or "Babe" or "It's OK Baby"...?? That just doesn't sound like any Jumpmaster I have ever met or heard of. Too Weird. Maybe she just said "Im acting like a baby.." and no one disagreed? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
bbarnhouse 0 #5 September 9, 2002 Totally unacceptable! I agree that if indeed this was how it all went down, the JM should get into another line of work. Unfortunately, this is only one side of the story. This gal needs as much encouragement as you can muster..better yet, have her sign onto DZ.Com. We are really good at being uplifting, inviting and inclusive........besides that......we're a pretty cool bunch of folks Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
jfields 0 #6 September 9, 2002 QuoteWe are really good at being uplifting, inviting and inclusive........besides that......we're a pretty cool bunch of folks And damned humble. I wonder about the full conversation that went on in this case as well, but if the description is accurate, then the TM did her a great disservice. That would royally piss me off. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
bmcd308 0 #7 September 9, 2002 She was only nine weeks old, so the JM thought she should try some other activities first. ---------------------------------- www.jumpelvis.com Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
jraf 0 #8 September 9, 2002 Well perhaps jumpmaster training is getting a bit slopy these days. A jumpmaster is not only a person who is technically excellent at skydiving - he is a teacher, a confidence builder and a guide. The guy sounds like an immature ass. Completely unprofessional. I was lucky. Sally Hathaway did my AFF Lev 1 training - it was perfect. Her knee was hurt and she could not jump. Eric Hildebrand (8 years my junior) took me up as JM with Tony Hathaway supporting. I was scared shitless but the atmopsphere they created was great. I had no doubt I was going to jump. When Sally jumped with me to graduate me it was not a challenge, it was FUN. That is professionality, that is knowledge and maturity - shame on the guy who called his student a baby.jraf Me Jungleman! Me have large Babalui. Muff #3275 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
nws01 0 #9 September 9, 2002 Quotewe're a pretty cool bunch of folks WE ALL SUCK!!!!!!!!!!!! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ScottB 0 #10 September 9, 2002 Nope not sure of anything just had two e-mail correspondance with this person. I don't know what dropzone, I am not totally sure that the conversation went off that way. I just hoped it didn't. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
wildblue 7 #11 September 9, 2002 tell her to find a new dz or at least a different jmit's like incest - you're substituting convenience for quality Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
carbonezone 0 #12 September 9, 2002 I have jumpmastered many o type of students....from very scared to not showing any fear at all. Not showing any fear at all was probably the scariest for me "whats wrong with this dude...this is scarey shit"! As a jumpmaster you need to have the people skills to be successful at your job. Every student needs a certain type of training...mental training / trust / encouragment. I have seen a few asshole jumpmasters....the kind that shouldnt be training. And most often they are the jumpmasters that are NOT asked for by students once they are activly in the program. If you do not like your jumpmasters style or if you dont like the way you are being treated it WILL effect your training. DONT STOP TRAINING...go to the DZO and request a different JM. <> Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
agitator 0 #13 September 9, 2002 Hey, this is entirely appropriate. Sometimes a little negative reinforcement is very necessary. The student is relying on JMs to get them their money's worth. If calling someone a "baby", "crybaby", or "p*ssy" will get them out of the plane, it is well worth it. If they still don't get out of the plane, then F' em! They are not hard enough for the sport. Yo this sh*t is life and death yo! I remember once this girl balked in the door on a static line I was JM on. Would not climb out, and was starting to tear up. I called her a "whiny b*tch" and made her climb out. She had a great jump and thanked me later. I also saw a jumpmaster smack a guy who was balking on an AFF in the nuts and ask, "You got anything in those or what?" He went. Didn't have the greatest jump, and has never come back, but that is probably for the best. He was like 45 and would have been a crappy skydiver anyway. Harden up people! This is skydiving, not bowling. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
drenaline 0 #14 September 9, 2002 JM like that shouldn't be assigned to first jumpers, they scare them instead of helping. Best thing to do is to file a complaint to the DZO against the JM to see if the JM thinks about and changes his attitude or else get his butt kicked goodbye. HISPA 21 www.panamafreefall.com Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
sillyolethang 0 #15 September 9, 2002 Hello, I am fairly new to writing in here, going to be VERY new to training on wednesday. I have "lurked" in here reading all of your inputs for the last several months. I admire and respect that the information you put out is usually pretty objective and no one's opinion is really bashed. This made my stomache somewhat knot up that someone would be so insensitive to another's fears. I am hoping that it's not typical...From your replies it seems that it's not. All contact that I have made thus far has been wonderful! Please keep up your support. For those of us that do not talk/type that often, it's a nice way to gain information! I hope you hear back from that gal again and she succeeds~ Amy Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Luminous 0 #16 September 9, 2002 I think it's BS. (my opinion) When a student tells me they're scared, I tell em that just proves that they have brains. Totally unprofessional and downright mean to call a Level 1 a 'baby' because they're nervous and back out. I believe if it doesn't feel right, don't do it. I've had students back out and return next day, (or week), and kick butt. Tell her to find another DZ or at least another JM.'In an insane society a sane person seems insane.' Mr. Spock Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
jraf 0 #17 September 9, 2002 Dude, you are full of yourself. But as you mentioned this is life and death. So if someone who is not ready jumps under pressure and dies it REALLY SERIOUSLY SUCKS!. And correct me if I'm wrong but I thought that skydiving is about fun. Jumpmasters in the Army can do that but on AFF it is voluntary to jump. And if you think you are hard, come rock climbing with me. With your attitude you will be dead in 5 minutes....because the only really hard thing is the ground you hitjraf Me Jungleman! Me have large Babalui. Muff #3275 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
carbonezone 0 #18 September 9, 2002 QuoteHey, this is entirely appropriate. Sometimes a little negative reinforcement is very necessary. The student is relying on JMs to get them their money's worth. If calling someone a "baby", "crybaby", or "p*ssy" will get them out of the plane, it is well worth it. If they still don't get out of the plane, then F' em! They are not hard enough for the sport. Yo this sh*t is life and death yo! I remember once this girl balked in the door on a static line I was JM on. Would not climb out, and was starting to tear up. I called her a "whiny b*tch" and made her climb out. She had a great jump and thanked me later. I also saw a jumpmaster smack a guy who was balking on an AFF in the nuts and ask, "You got anything in those or what?" He went. Didn't have the greatest jump, and has never come back, but that is probably for the best. He was like 45 and would have been a crappy skydiver anyway. <<<>>> One thing to say to you....... GET OUT OF THE JUMPMASTER BIZ.....YOUR DAYS AS A JUMPMASTER ARE - ARE - ARE NUMBERED. YOUR TYPE IS "" HAS BEEN"" OH BY THE WAY.....YOU ARE SOO COOL --- NOT!!! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
SkyDekker 1,465 #19 September 9, 2002 Quote"You got anything in those or what?" And if YOU had any balls whatsoever, you would actually post that with your full name and the dropzone you jump at....... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
carbonezone 0 #20 September 9, 2002 This dude is obvisously of freaking dork and getting off on the shit we are sending back to him. Lets just not even get his rocks off and end the post....he is not worthy of US REAL SKYDIVERS!! END Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
SBS 0 #21 September 9, 2002 We really don't know what happened by that e-mail. He may have said jokingly, "awe, quit being a baby." Although it proved to be inappropriate for her, it may have been said in complete innocence. That would be completely different than yelling at her, "QUIT BEING A BABY!!!" She was already in a fragile state of mind...she may have taken the statement completely wrong. -S_____________ I'm not conceited...I'm just realistic about my awesomeness... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
jraf 0 #22 September 9, 2002 Hey Tami, SkyDekker - do you think this Agitator guy is for real or is he just a Whooffo posing of as someone who jumps? He thinks he is hard? Am I dreaming? And SDekker you are right - anonymous postings are gutlessjraf Me Jungleman! Me have large Babalui. Muff #3275 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
bbarnhouse 0 #23 September 9, 2002 Okay then.......I figure that Tammi hit the nail on the head.... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
carbonezone 0 #24 September 9, 2002 Oh yea...i think he is a skydiver of some sort. Real Man.....NAH....just a bag a bumbling shit!!! He probably hung like a bug too. So a man with penus envy.....oh...it just doesnt get worse than that Blues, Tami Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
f1freak 0 #25 September 9, 2002 I was on the load when this shit happened.... This was the most unprofessional asshole i have ever seen, the worst part is he is also the DZO.... I can tell you i have lost total respect for him....HAVE FUN... ...JUST DONT DIE Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
