skydiverek 63 #1 June 19, 2013 I wrote PD about it, and they only said they do not advocate it. Any downsides to this method???: "UPT September 5, 1986 Effective Immediately. Please stow main canopy slider in a rubber band which you have attached to the center "B" line attachment point. (Do not stow it to the tail.) Reason. Occasionally, during main canopy deployment, the collapsing drogue exerts so much force on the deployment bag that some or all of the stowed suspension lines "slump" out of the rubber bands prematurely causing a reverse sequence (canopy first) deployment. A canopy first deployment usually works out OK. The main problem is that if the slider is not stowed, .it too might slip down the suspension lines before line stretch causing a hard or off center opening. An off center opening can concentrate opening forces on one portion of the canopy or one line group. We believe this is responsible for several broken main rear risers which have recently been reported to us. Broken risers are obviously not very common. This problem took many thousands of drogue jumps to show up and we believe stowing the slider should prevent it. I am working on a bag modification which I think may prevent line "slump" and will let you know as soon as it is "perfected". In the meantime, I urge you not to experiment with other "solutions" such as using bungee cord locking stows instead of standard rubber bands. In some instances, this could cause a bag lock which is a far worse problem than already exists. Sincerely, William R. Booth President" Source: http://unitedparachutetechnologies.com/PDF/Support/Product%20Service%20Bulletins/09218.pdf ***AND*** JUMPSHACK TANDEM CANOPY ASSEMBLY All canopies should have a rubber stow band attached to the line attachment point of one of the inboard “C” lines. The center of the slider should be stowed in this retainer during packing. The purpose of this retainer is to prevent the slider from coming down the lines prematurely. It is a good idea to do this to any canopy. Other canopies may require that the stow band be located on the “B” line. This may be determined by pulling the center of the slider up into the center of the air channel with the slider grommets firmly against the slider stops. Observe where the point 3 to 4 inches from the center point of the slider falls, and locate the stow band on the nearest line attachment point. SOURCE, page 8: http://www.jumpshack.com/download/Canopy_Owners_Manual_May_2008.pdf Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
JohnSherman 1 #2 June 19, 2013 QuoteI wrote PD about it, and they only said they do not advocate it. Any downsides to this method???: It is standard procedure within the competition to refute anything developed by Jump Shack. There is no down side to the procedure. We have been requiring it, in our manual to use a rubber band on all canopies since the beginning of Ram-airs in the 70's. I believe most manufacturers do now endorse the concept. Having said that let me caution you to the fact that while the rubber band on the slider will keep the slider from "falling" or inertially being pulled down the lines during opening it will not hold/help if the canopy begins inflation (spreading) and forces the slider out of the rubber band and down the lines before you reach line stretch. This can only be prevented with a bag which will not allow line dump/strip. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Deyan 36 #3 June 19, 2013 QuoteI wrote PD about it, and they only said they do not advocate it. Maybe because they use snap buttons?"My belief is that once the doctor whacks you on the butt, all guarantees are off" Jerry Baumchen Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
skydiverek 63 #4 June 19, 2013 But they use snaps only on Velocities... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
riggerrob 643 #5 June 20, 2013 skydiverekBut they use snaps only on Velocities... ............................................................................ .... and Zero canopies Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
riggerrob 643 #6 June 20, 2013 ***I wrote PD about it, and they only said they do not advocate it. Any downsides to this method???: "UPT September 5, 1986 Effective Immediately. Please stow main canopy slider in a rubber band which you have attached to the center "B" line attachment point. (Do not stow it to the tail.) ............................................................................... Yes, I remember when that was announced. A fellow TI stowed his slider - too tight - in a rubber band. The slider never came down. He cutaway and deployed his reserve. We never stowed another slider in a rubber band. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
SkyCracker 0 #7 June 21, 2013 QuoteAny downsides to this method???: Yeah, the slider can get stuck up there and never descend, pinching off your canopy opening. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
skydiverek 63 #8 August 22, 2013 Method presented: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nciajWdFd9c&feature=youtu.be Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites