rhino 0 #151 August 21, 2002 QuoteI'm sorry, I don't think that I will ever understand/appreciate this point of view. Agreed... I fought to protect that right.. I can and will use it when I have someone WORTH using it on.. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
SBS 0 #152 August 21, 2002 Effort and energy can help swing votes too, and they don't cost anything besides time. -------------- My effort does cost money...I have to work for a living...if I choose to ignore that fact, I will be one of the homeless people to whom you were referring. Even if it did not cost money, my effort can be defeated by money. Phone calls cost money...for every person I convince to get on the phones and every phone call that we pay for, Corporate America will pay 5 people to sit on the phones, and have them make 10 times as many calls. For every letter that I send out, Corporate America will send out 100. For every door on which I knock, Corporate America will knock on 10. They WILL win. We are talking about the most powerful positions in the world...you think they are going to sit on the sidelines and not answer my every effort (if they even take on a large enough scale to merit answering)? There is more to this political system than voting, and to pass judgement on someone because they choose not to partake in the activity, and say that you are fighting while he/she is not lifting a finger is just not a reasonable statement. -S_____________ I'm not conceited...I'm just realistic about my awesomeness... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
billvon 3,070 #153 August 21, 2002 >I choose not to vote, because it really makes no difference to me >who is in office, because I think they both suck. By not choosing one > of them, though, even though I think he sucks, and doesn't > deserve my vote anyway, I have now waved my right to express my > opinion that he sucks. No, you haven't waived your right to that. But please be honest with yourself and say "Yes, I hate the way things are now, and I share part of the blame that they are this way." A small part, perhaps, but a part nonetheless. Taking responsibility for things is one of the things we're worst at. There's always a scapegoat, always someone to blame. In the US at least, part of that blame rests squarely on _our_ shoulders, since we get to change the things we don't like. Apathy is a poor excuse for not using that ability. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
scottbre 0 #154 August 21, 2002 QuoteThere is more to this political system than voting There is also more to this political system than a huge corporate ogre that is just out to undermine all the good intentions of anyone who might be trying to make a difference. Geez, why isn't this thread on fire yet...? "Your mother's full of stupidjuice!" My Art Project Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
rhino 0 #155 August 21, 2002 QuoteThere is also more to this political system than a huge corporate ogre that is just out to undermine all the good intentions of anyone who might be trying to make a difference Maybe so.. But not much more.. LOL Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
SBS 0 #156 August 21, 2002 Last I heard, you aren't limited to voting for one of two people. Maybe Perot was just in my imagination alone. (If that's the case maybe I should write for SNL as I must have imagined tons of the episodes that I remember.) -------------- And did Perot win? The only thing that he did for that election was decide who among the front runners won. What got him there??? Money. My point still stands...when you get that high in government, 1 of 2 people will be elected. -S_____________ I'm not conceited...I'm just realistic about my awesomeness... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
jfields 0 #157 August 21, 2002 Steve, I can understand the frustration with the choices. Believe me. But there are things you can do. Scenario 4: Find some person you do like, and help their campaign. Work to get someone you like into office. Scenario 5: Write well-written factual articles about problems you see with a certain candidate, offering remedies and tangible solutions. You can help influence people so you have "less sucky" choices next time. Scenario 6: Run for office. You believe in yourself, right? Actually, while your scenarios 1 & 2 are distasteful to you in some ways, you have done something to express your preference (however slight) between the options in front of you. Scenarios 4-6 all take much more work, but when combined with personal voting, have much more impact. It is okay that we don't agree. My perspective is that voting really is one of our fundamental liberties. Using that right reaffirms its importance to me, and in some way honors those that fought for it. I see it as a personal duty. Of course, that is my choice, and I don't expect everyone to agree with it. Rhino, QuoteServing in the military is TWICE as important as voting.. Without those who have done exactly that no one would have the right to vote.. [Devil's Advocate] What difference does it have whether you have the right to vote or not, if you don't do it? [/Devil's Advocate] Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
seedy 0 #158 August 21, 2002 This is true - there are other parties. If more people voted for them, the two major ones would have to take notice. Also, an election isn't just for president. There are many local issues that your vote can influence and where the issues directly affect you. I intend to live forever -- so far, so good. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
rhino 0 #159 August 21, 2002 QuoteWhat difference does it have whether you have the right to vote or not, if you don't do it? If it important to you as a fellow American it is important to me. As well as, I don't like being told what I can and can't do. As long as I can, my feathers don't get ruffled. I agree it is an important right.. It is a must. But again.. I don't vote for someone just because they are the better of the two evils. You have the right to get laid every night. Just because you don't use it doesn't mean that right isn't important. Rhino and Segador smiling happily.. lol Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
SBS 0 #160 August 21, 2002 No, you haven't waived your right to that. But please be honest with yourself and say "Yes, I hate the way things are now, and I share part of the blame that they are this way." A small part, perhaps, but a part nonetheless. ------------ Agreed. Just because I can say that I believe that there is a problem does not mean that I know the answer, or can contribute what is "right". -S_____________ I'm not conceited...I'm just realistic about my awesomeness... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
SBS 0 #161 August 21, 2002 Scenario 4: Find some person you do like, and help their campaign. Work to get someone you like into office. ----------------- Refer to previous post...everything that I do will be countered 10 fold by more powerful people on the other side. Not saying that this is not an option, but this alone is not the answer to the problem ------------------------ Scenario 5: Write well-written factual articles about problems you see with a certain candidate, offering remedies and tangible solutions. You can help influence people so you have "less sucky" choices next time. ------------------ And how exactly does one in my position gain credibility and/or get his words seen by the number of people necessary to make a difference? This is a reasonable idea, but again, isn't really going to solve the problem. ----------------- Scenario 6: Run for office. You believe in yourself, right? --------------------- 2 things: A) I never said that I could be president, or that I would do a better job...I don't know 5% of what I would need to do in order to run this country...there are people that do, though, who I would believe in. Unfortunately, they are too honest to get the financial backing that they would need to make a reasonable run at the White House. B) Maybe I personally don't have the desire to be President, even if I do, in fact, have the capability. I too believe that voting is one of our fundamental liberties, and appreciate the fact that people have fought for my right to do so. That is very important to me, and I consider it to be one of the great things about living in the United States. Just because sometimes I choose not to vote, I do not feel that I am disrespecting my RIGHT to vote. I am making a decision, and that is one of the liberties allowed me...another thing that was fought for and for which people died. -S_____________ I'm not conceited...I'm just realistic about my awesomeness... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
rhino 0 #162 August 21, 2002 QuoteYou have the right to get laid every night. Just because you don't use it doesn't mean that right isn't important. *** Right on Rhino.. Good point... OOOOOOOOOpsss.. That's me.. LOL Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites jfields 0 #163 August 21, 2002 Steve, QuoteRefer to previous post...everything that I do will be countered 10 fold by more powerful people on the other side. So be persuasive. Convince 10 friends. Or convince 1 person with a whole lot of influence and money, so they can influence a lot of people. Only by trying can anything happen, and can you improve the woeful political choices. QuoteAnd how exactly does one in my position gain credibility and/or get his words seen by the number of people necessary to make a difference? How many is enough? I don't know. Maybe just one. Maybe you fall a few million short. There is no way to tell if you don't try. The only certainty is that doing nothing will result in nothing. QuoteA) I never said that I could be president... Mayor? City Council? Captain of the Neighborhood Watch? I'm only saying that half in jest. The last time I voted, there were a lot of local issues that were very hotly contested. Some were decided by a couple percent. And these were issues that directly affected me. There were also local elected offices where a minor candidate ran unopposed. It wouldn't have been hard for an interested person to get on the ballot. Maybe all you need to do is get onto the Internet and be a stubborn mule. Maybe if you persuade just one person to vote, they will get one more person, and enough of a mass will build that change will be possible. I certainly don't know any stubborn mules on the net. It is like the Olympic torch. I don't have time to run across the country or something. I wouldn't make it. I'm not strong enough, fast enough, etc. So I could say that getting good torchbearers is hopeless. Or we could make it a relay and I could take a half mile, then pass it off to you. You could run a little bit, then pass it off again. I'm not saying everyone needs to run for president. But I think that some form of civil activity is important. Even if it is little, the person has done something contributory. QuoteJust because sometimes I choose not to vote, I do not feel that I am disrespecting my RIGHT to vote. I am making a decision, and that is one of the liberties allowed me. You are making a decision, and it is well within your rights. I choose differently, but that is okay. At least we have had a mature conversation about it. So, you gonna vote next election? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites SBS 0 #164 August 21, 2002 Only by trying can anything happen, and can you improve the woeful political choices. ------------- I wholeheartedly agree...the difference in opinion lies in the fact that I think that not voting in an election does not mean that I am not trying. I think that part of trying is searching for where you think your efforts are best directed. I have yet to find where I believe that mine are. I do not put as much importance on voting as you do, because I believe, as I said before, that the problem lies in what people appear on the ballot, and how they do so. By the time we are punching that ballot, the damage is done. ---------------- There is no way to tell if you don't try. The only certainty is that doing nothing will result in nothing. ---------------------- Again, fully agree. ---------------------- Maybe all you need to do is get onto the Internet and be a stubborn mule. ------------------- Isn't that what I'm doing? :) ------------------- But I think that some form of civil activity is important. ------------------- I think that discussing it as we are is a form of the 'civil activity' that you mention. ---------------------- At least we have had a mature conversation about it. ---------------------- [immature voice/] Butthead! [/immature voice] he he he --------------------- So, you gonna vote next election? --------------------- There will be 2 factors that will decide that: A) If I feel like I have enough knowledge about the issues that I am capable of making a logical decision. B) If I feel like there are people/choices on the ballot that are worth my vote. I don't know what you think about what has been said, but I think that both Rhino and I have done more than just bitch and moan about our political system. We have presented reasons to support what we have said, that I think are pretty solid. You have your points of view and we have ours. By presenting them to eachother, I think we have been doing what you have called "civil activity". Being involved is much more than going to the ballot box or not. Not going because you don't care is one thing, but I hope that we have communicated to you that for us that is not the case. -S_____________ I'm not conceited...I'm just realistic about my awesomeness... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites rhino 0 #165 August 21, 2002 QuoteMaybe all you need to do is get onto the Internet and be a stubborn mule. Maybe if you persuade just one person to vote, they will get one more person, and enough of a mass will build that change will be possible. I certainly don't know any stubborn mules on the net. It is impossible to persuade someone to vote when they don't care for the menu.. When I go into a restaurant and don't like the menu I don't eat? If I am considering voting in a state election and don't like the menu I won't vote. I'd rather go skydiving and dump money into free enterprise instead. I am doing my country a greater service that way Rhino Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites jfields 0 #166 August 21, 2002 QuoteYou have your points of view and we have ours. Yup. And I'm not sure we'll ever meet in the middle. Quote By presenting them to eachother, I think we have been doing what you have called "civil activity". Yup. QuoteBeing involved is much more than going to the ballot box or not. I agree, but it is the official aspect of the process that backs up the other actions. You can have a good time skydiving with your friends, have a wonderful jump, but it isn't official until your logbook is signed off. QuoteNot going because you don't care is one thing, but I hope that we have communicated to you that for us that is not the case. You have, as I hope I have, rather than just wasting my time with long posts when I could be post-whoring with about 20 times more posts than I wrote in the time to do these serious ones. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites SBS 0 #167 August 21, 2002 I would like to cast my vote that this was a good thread. :) -S_____________ I'm not conceited...I'm just realistic about my awesomeness... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites goose491 0 #168 August 21, 2002 QuoteQuoteYou have the right to get laid every night. Just because you don't use it doesn't mean that right isn't important. Quote Right on Rhino.. Good point... OOOOOOOOOpsss.. That's me.. LOL I've been lurking this thread and have watched Rhino and SBS lure everyone off topic. Rhino you are being a complete TROLL on this thread!!! Dismissing everybody's oppinion while not really providing a valid one of your own. And worse, now you're post whoring for the sole purpose of patting yourself on the back!?! Serving in the millitary is not "TWICE as important" as voting... this is moronic and naive... do you not realize that if you are a soldier in the Army, you are a direct servant to the idiot in office (whom you did not vote for because you thought he was an idiot)? Serving in the millitary does not make this: ***@#$T!#$T %^U&HJ@$V!#R!$T%YTGRVRE!$##%!@T@%F!##GT^%&Y%^#Y#@QGFF@%T$^&Y#$G!#$^#^RF#!EW acceptable behavior either! Mr. war hero, I guess I don't have to explain what a democracy is all about but it involves voting and the voice of majority wins! It is clear (and has been since Democracy was created) that you have waived your right to bitch about the outcome if you have not contributed any input! Having said that, a word on reparations: When I was a child, I remember vividly stealing a toy from my little brother... My mother found out about a month later and she made me give it back and apologize... My brother said:"MOM!! this just isn't good enough!!! Since Nick stole my toy, I want you to spank him, make him give me back my toy, AND a bunch of his toys too!!!" My mother had a good laugh...My how fast our children grow up these days eh? My Karma ran over my Dogma!!! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites SBS 0 #169 August 21, 2002 You are welcome to your opinion...up to this point, regardless of how contraversial the topic has been, the discussion has remained peaceful as the topic moved from one subject to the next. I don't know if you had a point other than just attacking, but if you did, I missed it, as I imagine everyone else did as well. Next time, if you want to participate, you are more than welcome, but if you would like to post at the end of a thread just to insult people, I don't think you'll find that the moderators will stand for that for long. -S_____________ I'm not conceited...I'm just realistic about my awesomeness... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites PhillyKev 0 #170 August 21, 2002 QuoteI don't know if you had a point other than just attacking, but if you did, I missed it, Check the subject line that you replied to. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites skybytch 273 #171 August 21, 2002 Let's all remember the forum rules, especially #1... No personal attacks. Calling someone "moronic" and referring to them as "Mr. war hero" are both personal attacks. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites goose491 0 #172 August 21, 2002 Quote Calling someone "moronic" and referring to them as "Mr. war hero" are both personal attacks. I did not call rhino "moronic". Check the context. The concept that serving in the millitary is twice as important as voting is moronic. Voting is giving your oppinion, serving the Army is fighting for someone else's (keep in mind I am not flaming the military now) As far as "Mr. war hero"... I'm sorry I called you a war hero... NOT! Rhino said he has fought for our rights -I'm not an American but- thank you! No personal attacks... the foot has spoken SBS. There was a definate point to my poost My Karma ran over my Dogma!!! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites freeflir29 0 #173 August 21, 2002 QuoteRhino said he has fought for our rights -I'm not an American but- thank you! Please name a conflict that the US has been involved in that Canada HAS NOT contributed troops. I know that I have worked with recon guys from Canadian Infantry Units on SEVERAL occasions. So, in a round about way......yes....Rhino has fought for your rights. Just as Canadians have helped to secure American's rights. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites prepheckt 0 #174 August 21, 2002 Has anyone ever read Starship Troopers? ....the movie doesn't count even thought Denise Richards is in it This book majorly influenced my decision to attend the AFA and serve in the military as opposed to State U. It brings up several good points about military service and what it means to be a citizen and voting. I agree with rhino on the subject of education. WORK FOR IT....I worked my ass off in high school, and because that, I am in one of the best colleges in the country...I didn't get a scholarship..I'm a minority, my parents couldn't afford college for me either....I'll get off my soapbox now before pepple start throwing large heavy objects. blue ones"Dancing Argentine Tango is like doing calculus with your feet." -9 toes Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites skybytch 273 #175 August 21, 2002 QuoteServing in the millitary is not "TWICE as important" as voting... this is moronic and naive... You told him that his view on this subject is moronic and naive. He's entitled to his opinion on this one, just like you are. Because his opinion does not agree with yours does not make it (or by extension, him) moronic or naive. Your statement above can easily be taken as a personal attack. QuoteI'm sorry I called you a war hero... NOT! Merely continues the attacking. 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jfields 0 #163 August 21, 2002 Steve, QuoteRefer to previous post...everything that I do will be countered 10 fold by more powerful people on the other side. So be persuasive. Convince 10 friends. Or convince 1 person with a whole lot of influence and money, so they can influence a lot of people. Only by trying can anything happen, and can you improve the woeful political choices. QuoteAnd how exactly does one in my position gain credibility and/or get his words seen by the number of people necessary to make a difference? How many is enough? I don't know. Maybe just one. Maybe you fall a few million short. There is no way to tell if you don't try. The only certainty is that doing nothing will result in nothing. QuoteA) I never said that I could be president... Mayor? City Council? Captain of the Neighborhood Watch? I'm only saying that half in jest. The last time I voted, there were a lot of local issues that were very hotly contested. Some were decided by a couple percent. And these were issues that directly affected me. There were also local elected offices where a minor candidate ran unopposed. It wouldn't have been hard for an interested person to get on the ballot. Maybe all you need to do is get onto the Internet and be a stubborn mule. Maybe if you persuade just one person to vote, they will get one more person, and enough of a mass will build that change will be possible. I certainly don't know any stubborn mules on the net. It is like the Olympic torch. I don't have time to run across the country or something. I wouldn't make it. I'm not strong enough, fast enough, etc. So I could say that getting good torchbearers is hopeless. Or we could make it a relay and I could take a half mile, then pass it off to you. You could run a little bit, then pass it off again. I'm not saying everyone needs to run for president. But I think that some form of civil activity is important. Even if it is little, the person has done something contributory. QuoteJust because sometimes I choose not to vote, I do not feel that I am disrespecting my RIGHT to vote. I am making a decision, and that is one of the liberties allowed me. You are making a decision, and it is well within your rights. I choose differently, but that is okay. At least we have had a mature conversation about it. So, you gonna vote next election? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
SBS 0 #164 August 21, 2002 Only by trying can anything happen, and can you improve the woeful political choices. ------------- I wholeheartedly agree...the difference in opinion lies in the fact that I think that not voting in an election does not mean that I am not trying. I think that part of trying is searching for where you think your efforts are best directed. I have yet to find where I believe that mine are. I do not put as much importance on voting as you do, because I believe, as I said before, that the problem lies in what people appear on the ballot, and how they do so. By the time we are punching that ballot, the damage is done. ---------------- There is no way to tell if you don't try. The only certainty is that doing nothing will result in nothing. ---------------------- Again, fully agree. ---------------------- Maybe all you need to do is get onto the Internet and be a stubborn mule. ------------------- Isn't that what I'm doing? :) ------------------- But I think that some form of civil activity is important. ------------------- I think that discussing it as we are is a form of the 'civil activity' that you mention. ---------------------- At least we have had a mature conversation about it. ---------------------- [immature voice/] Butthead! [/immature voice] he he he --------------------- So, you gonna vote next election? --------------------- There will be 2 factors that will decide that: A) If I feel like I have enough knowledge about the issues that I am capable of making a logical decision. B) If I feel like there are people/choices on the ballot that are worth my vote. I don't know what you think about what has been said, but I think that both Rhino and I have done more than just bitch and moan about our political system. We have presented reasons to support what we have said, that I think are pretty solid. You have your points of view and we have ours. By presenting them to eachother, I think we have been doing what you have called "civil activity". Being involved is much more than going to the ballot box or not. Not going because you don't care is one thing, but I hope that we have communicated to you that for us that is not the case. -S_____________ I'm not conceited...I'm just realistic about my awesomeness... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
rhino 0 #165 August 21, 2002 QuoteMaybe all you need to do is get onto the Internet and be a stubborn mule. Maybe if you persuade just one person to vote, they will get one more person, and enough of a mass will build that change will be possible. I certainly don't know any stubborn mules on the net. It is impossible to persuade someone to vote when they don't care for the menu.. When I go into a restaurant and don't like the menu I don't eat? If I am considering voting in a state election and don't like the menu I won't vote. I'd rather go skydiving and dump money into free enterprise instead. I am doing my country a greater service that way Rhino Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
jfields 0 #166 August 21, 2002 QuoteYou have your points of view and we have ours. Yup. And I'm not sure we'll ever meet in the middle. Quote By presenting them to eachother, I think we have been doing what you have called "civil activity". Yup. QuoteBeing involved is much more than going to the ballot box or not. I agree, but it is the official aspect of the process that backs up the other actions. You can have a good time skydiving with your friends, have a wonderful jump, but it isn't official until your logbook is signed off. QuoteNot going because you don't care is one thing, but I hope that we have communicated to you that for us that is not the case. You have, as I hope I have, rather than just wasting my time with long posts when I could be post-whoring with about 20 times more posts than I wrote in the time to do these serious ones. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
SBS 0 #167 August 21, 2002 I would like to cast my vote that this was a good thread. :) -S_____________ I'm not conceited...I'm just realistic about my awesomeness... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
goose491 0 #168 August 21, 2002 QuoteQuoteYou have the right to get laid every night. Just because you don't use it doesn't mean that right isn't important. Quote Right on Rhino.. Good point... OOOOOOOOOpsss.. That's me.. LOL I've been lurking this thread and have watched Rhino and SBS lure everyone off topic. Rhino you are being a complete TROLL on this thread!!! Dismissing everybody's oppinion while not really providing a valid one of your own. And worse, now you're post whoring for the sole purpose of patting yourself on the back!?! Serving in the millitary is not "TWICE as important" as voting... this is moronic and naive... do you not realize that if you are a soldier in the Army, you are a direct servant to the idiot in office (whom you did not vote for because you thought he was an idiot)? Serving in the millitary does not make this: ***@#$T!#$T %^U&HJ@$V!#R!$T%YTGRVRE!$##%!@T@%F!##GT^%&Y%^#Y#@QGFF@%T$^&Y#$G!#$^#^RF#!EW acceptable behavior either! Mr. war hero, I guess I don't have to explain what a democracy is all about but it involves voting and the voice of majority wins! It is clear (and has been since Democracy was created) that you have waived your right to bitch about the outcome if you have not contributed any input! Having said that, a word on reparations: When I was a child, I remember vividly stealing a toy from my little brother... My mother found out about a month later and she made me give it back and apologize... My brother said:"MOM!! this just isn't good enough!!! Since Nick stole my toy, I want you to spank him, make him give me back my toy, AND a bunch of his toys too!!!" My mother had a good laugh...My how fast our children grow up these days eh? My Karma ran over my Dogma!!! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites SBS 0 #169 August 21, 2002 You are welcome to your opinion...up to this point, regardless of how contraversial the topic has been, the discussion has remained peaceful as the topic moved from one subject to the next. I don't know if you had a point other than just attacking, but if you did, I missed it, as I imagine everyone else did as well. Next time, if you want to participate, you are more than welcome, but if you would like to post at the end of a thread just to insult people, I don't think you'll find that the moderators will stand for that for long. -S_____________ I'm not conceited...I'm just realistic about my awesomeness... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites PhillyKev 0 #170 August 21, 2002 QuoteI don't know if you had a point other than just attacking, but if you did, I missed it, Check the subject line that you replied to. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites skybytch 273 #171 August 21, 2002 Let's all remember the forum rules, especially #1... No personal attacks. Calling someone "moronic" and referring to them as "Mr. war hero" are both personal attacks. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites goose491 0 #172 August 21, 2002 Quote Calling someone "moronic" and referring to them as "Mr. war hero" are both personal attacks. I did not call rhino "moronic". Check the context. The concept that serving in the millitary is twice as important as voting is moronic. Voting is giving your oppinion, serving the Army is fighting for someone else's (keep in mind I am not flaming the military now) As far as "Mr. war hero"... I'm sorry I called you a war hero... NOT! Rhino said he has fought for our rights -I'm not an American but- thank you! No personal attacks... the foot has spoken SBS. There was a definate point to my poost My Karma ran over my Dogma!!! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites freeflir29 0 #173 August 21, 2002 QuoteRhino said he has fought for our rights -I'm not an American but- thank you! Please name a conflict that the US has been involved in that Canada HAS NOT contributed troops. I know that I have worked with recon guys from Canadian Infantry Units on SEVERAL occasions. So, in a round about way......yes....Rhino has fought for your rights. Just as Canadians have helped to secure American's rights. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites prepheckt 0 #174 August 21, 2002 Has anyone ever read Starship Troopers? ....the movie doesn't count even thought Denise Richards is in it This book majorly influenced my decision to attend the AFA and serve in the military as opposed to State U. It brings up several good points about military service and what it means to be a citizen and voting. I agree with rhino on the subject of education. WORK FOR IT....I worked my ass off in high school, and because that, I am in one of the best colleges in the country...I didn't get a scholarship..I'm a minority, my parents couldn't afford college for me either....I'll get off my soapbox now before pepple start throwing large heavy objects. blue ones"Dancing Argentine Tango is like doing calculus with your feet." -9 toes Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites skybytch 273 #175 August 21, 2002 QuoteServing in the millitary is not "TWICE as important" as voting... this is moronic and naive... You told him that his view on this subject is moronic and naive. He's entitled to his opinion on this one, just like you are. Because his opinion does not agree with yours does not make it (or by extension, him) moronic or naive. Your statement above can easily be taken as a personal attack. QuoteI'm sorry I called you a war hero... NOT! Merely continues the attacking. 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SBS 0 #169 August 21, 2002 You are welcome to your opinion...up to this point, regardless of how contraversial the topic has been, the discussion has remained peaceful as the topic moved from one subject to the next. I don't know if you had a point other than just attacking, but if you did, I missed it, as I imagine everyone else did as well. Next time, if you want to participate, you are more than welcome, but if you would like to post at the end of a thread just to insult people, I don't think you'll find that the moderators will stand for that for long. -S_____________ I'm not conceited...I'm just realistic about my awesomeness... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
PhillyKev 0 #170 August 21, 2002 QuoteI don't know if you had a point other than just attacking, but if you did, I missed it, Check the subject line that you replied to. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
skybytch 273 #171 August 21, 2002 Let's all remember the forum rules, especially #1... No personal attacks. Calling someone "moronic" and referring to them as "Mr. war hero" are both personal attacks. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
goose491 0 #172 August 21, 2002 Quote Calling someone "moronic" and referring to them as "Mr. war hero" are both personal attacks. I did not call rhino "moronic". Check the context. The concept that serving in the millitary is twice as important as voting is moronic. Voting is giving your oppinion, serving the Army is fighting for someone else's (keep in mind I am not flaming the military now) As far as "Mr. war hero"... I'm sorry I called you a war hero... NOT! Rhino said he has fought for our rights -I'm not an American but- thank you! No personal attacks... the foot has spoken SBS. There was a definate point to my poost My Karma ran over my Dogma!!! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
freeflir29 0 #173 August 21, 2002 QuoteRhino said he has fought for our rights -I'm not an American but- thank you! Please name a conflict that the US has been involved in that Canada HAS NOT contributed troops. I know that I have worked with recon guys from Canadian Infantry Units on SEVERAL occasions. So, in a round about way......yes....Rhino has fought for your rights. Just as Canadians have helped to secure American's rights. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
prepheckt 0 #174 August 21, 2002 Has anyone ever read Starship Troopers? ....the movie doesn't count even thought Denise Richards is in it This book majorly influenced my decision to attend the AFA and serve in the military as opposed to State U. It brings up several good points about military service and what it means to be a citizen and voting. I agree with rhino on the subject of education. WORK FOR IT....I worked my ass off in high school, and because that, I am in one of the best colleges in the country...I didn't get a scholarship..I'm a minority, my parents couldn't afford college for me either....I'll get off my soapbox now before pepple start throwing large heavy objects. blue ones"Dancing Argentine Tango is like doing calculus with your feet." -9 toes Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
skybytch 273 #175 August 21, 2002 QuoteServing in the millitary is not "TWICE as important" as voting... this is moronic and naive... You told him that his view on this subject is moronic and naive. He's entitled to his opinion on this one, just like you are. Because his opinion does not agree with yours does not make it (or by extension, him) moronic or naive. Your statement above can easily be taken as a personal attack. QuoteI'm sorry I called you a war hero... NOT! Merely continues the attacking. QuoteNo personal attacks... the foot has spoken This thread is closed. The greenie has spoken. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
