Aren't they all better off????

[PhillyKev 0]

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Please explain why one who doesn't vote has no right to complain? Please explain? What makes them any less worthy than the next person?

I don't think he meant literal, legal rights. Take this analogy:

WIFE: What do you want for dinner, honey?
HUSBAND: I don't care, whatever you feel like making.

Dinner arrives...
HUSBAND: Lasagna? I hate lasagna!!

[Snowflake 0]

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Get a grip.

The question was how slavery affected your life today.
You failed to answer the question, as you instead answered that your ethnicity/race led to your discimination.

Your unsubstantiated arguement that the enslavement of your ancestors led to this, is quite obviously for you, an assumption as natural as the one you make that you were discriminated against on slavery/racial grounds rather than on the grounds that there were young people in a vehicle: young people more statistically likely to be responsible for speeding accidents (typically males under the age of 25), driving under the influence of illicit substances, GTA, and police awarding of tickets for speeding, negligent driving, DUI etc.
I'm female. I'm young. I'm "ethnic". I drive a new red car with spoiler and mags. You think the cops (and many other drivers) don't harass me??!!

getting a grip.......got it

Yes all the things I listed are racial discrimination and do you truly believe that if slavery had not existeds in this country that the list would be the same. I don't for one second.

Now as for your argument that I was being pulled over because I was under 25. Well it sounds nice, but what blows it is the fact that the cop seperated us into 2 groups me in 1 group and everyone else in the other then he proceeded to ask them if I had abducted them is this also normal. If it is why was I the one singled out to be the abductor? If you want to take it as whining thats fine but I am simply stating what I observe in my everyday life

It's also been mentioned that life isn't fair well then why is it ok that life isn't fair and thats OK, but tip the scales the other way and it's two wrongs don't make a right.


Now one more time I am not asking for anything from anybody. I have a good education make good$$$, but that doesn't mean I don't see people that are owed something like a decent education perhaps.

PS you cannot free a people then deny them education and opportunity for generations. Beat down their collective psyche for generations, give them substandard education and then wonder why their pissed

[rhino 0]

I want him to answer .

I share the opinion that voting is a waste of time. Now if there was someone running that I felt was worth the time to vote for then I should vote. But as of yet "through my entire adult life" Their has yet to be a single politician worth the time to vote for. Presidents included.

Rhino

[Snowflake 0]

Amen

It's two sides of the same coin and the money wins everytime. I in no way believe that theres much difference between the 2 parties because money drives politics and the same people give money to both sides

[scottbre 0]

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I want him to answer .

Ok, but PhillyKev hit the nail right on the head, so I'll only be recapping what he said.

If you don't feel the need to be a part of the decision, then you shouldn't be complaining about the outcome, because you made no effort to affect that outcome.

And there's no reason to make "meanie" faces at me.

"Your mother's full of stupidjuice!"
My Art Project

[jfields 0]

Voting is not a waste of time. It is the political process used to run the country. Abstaining from it leaves a person with no official political voice. All the political advertising, grass-roots movements, political action committees, protests, etc. all have one goal: to sway votes. If you don't like the candidates, not voting doesn't help improve them. Pick the candidate you dislike the most, then vote for the other person. At least you have effectively voiced your opinion. There are tons of candidates I hate, and very few I halfway respect, but at least I let them know that.

[dreamsville 0]

You sure got sucked into it though.

I don't drink during the day, so I don't know what it is about this airline. I keep falling out the door of the plane.

Harry, FB #4143

[freeflir29 0]

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What makes them any less worthy than the next person?

If they haven't exercised the one voice that you get in how this country is run.....STFU. Voting is like oxygen......seems pretty insignificant until someone tells you that you can't have it. Voting is what seperates us from Anarchy. Without a vote, the only voice we would have is an AK-47. I'd much rather go to the ballot box than the cartridge box.

[Deuce 1]

Didn't I read in the posts that you were a Marine for a good portion of your life?

You put your life in the hands of those politicians, yet don't participate in their selection?

[jfields 0]

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Didn't I read in the posts that you were a Marine for a good portion of your life?
You put your life in the hands of those politicians, yet don't participate in their selection?

I know there is a Marine Corps joke in there somewhere. I can just smell it. But I'll be good.

[freeflir29 0]

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You put your life in the hands of those politicians, yet don't participate in their selection

It doesn't matter who is in office really. You learn to seperate the issues. You are a warrior. period. Your job is to kill people. period. If you go thinking about things much farther than that you are likely to end up in the "loony bin." Like all those Vietnam vets that tried to "make sense" of the war and worried if they were doing "The right thing" It's much easier if you can detach yourself and just do the job. Makes you more effective too.

[JDBoston 0]

Unfortunately, if you can kill people without ever wondering about why you're doing it or whether it's a good thing, you probably also fit the clinical definition of a sociopath .... but I don't mean to get us off track here.

Certainly no one should interpret that as an anti-armed forces comment. I just think introspection, even if it makes you slightly less effective/efficient at your job, isn't a bad thing. Although I've never personally been in a position where I had to kill someone as part of my job so I honestly don't know how I would deal with it myself.

Joe

[freeflir29 0]

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you probably also fit the clinical definition of a sociopath ....

100% true!!! I read a book about this once. Very interesting. The author interviewed 100 combat veterans. Something like 90 of them suffered substantial psychological side effects from killing in combat. 7 did not suffer because they justified/rationalized it as Kill or be killed/Government sanctioned and 3 were complete sociopaths. I'm not a complete sociopath but I can justify killing and think it is VERY necessary in certain cases.

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I honestly don't know how I would deal with it myself.

You never will unless you live through that situation. I met a lot of "Shit Talkers and tough guys" in the military that came back from combat with a new outlook on life. One former boss that had some pretty nasty "survivor's guilt" over ENEMY soldiers. That one confused me at first but the more I listened to him the more I understood his point of view. Some others....couldn't even function under the stress. Seems it's the quiet type that rarely talks any shit that you can count on when the shit hits the fan.

[Deuce 1]

A cop in Seattle just pondered this question for the rest of his life. While wondering how to deal with a disadvantaged member of the population and doing his due diligence of going up the escalation of force ladder one rung at a time, the disadvantaged person took his service pistol and shot him to death.

Introspection kills.

[freeflir29 0]

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Introspection kills

Without a doubt.......I'll always shoot first and ask questions later. Of course....Another friend did just that and ended up getting kicked out of the Army after a 10 year career. Seems they thought he used excessive force when a Somali kid was trying to kill him. *shrug*

[rhino 0]

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If you don't feel the need to be a part of the decision, then you shouldn't be complaining about the outcome, because you made no effort to affect that outcome.

o.k. Consider this.. If a bus is rolling towards someone that is tied down do you think standing in front of the bus is going to stop or even slow it down?

So why get in the way when it won't make a difference? Other than waisting your time?

Now.. If the bus door is open? Or that person isn't tied down then I take the time to VOTE.. Know what I mean?? LOL

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It doesn't matter who is in office really. You learn to seperate the issues. You are a warrior. period.

AGREED..

Rhino

[jfields 0]

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o.k. Consider this.. If a bus is rolling towards someone that is tied down do you think standing in front of the bus is going to stop or even slow it down?

So why get in the way when it won't make a difference? Other than waisting your time?

Using your analogy....

Try to untie they guy until the bus gets close, then step out of the way. At least you tried.

Same with the political process. If enough people try, they just might succeed in changing something. If apathy rules, then there is a zero chance of anything changing.

[JDBoston 0]

Introspection is not the same as freezing in combat, or misjudging a threat, or failing to prevent someone from taking your weapon and using it on you.

No disrespect to the officer intended - this is a general clarification of what I meant in my previous post. Introspection is something that occurs after the fact, when you sit down and think about what you did.

Doesn't necessarily mean you don't still react "appropriately" when a life-threatening situation arises. That seems more like a matter of training to me.

Joe

[rhino 0]

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Didn't I read in the posts that you were a Marine for a good portion of your life?

You put your life in the hands of those politicians, yet don't participate in their selection?

Again.. Either way you vote you are fucked. Being a Marine was my way of giving in a more direct way to my country.

Voting for the most part is a waste of "MY" time. If I see someone worth voting for I will vote. If I don't? My vote cancels itself because either candidate is a shit head anyways.

And Clay, I agree.. The right to vote must remain. One reason "WE, veterans" fought for our country is to preserve those very rights. Some people vote? Some serve? Some do both..

Rhino

[rhino 0]

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Same with the political process. If enough people try, they just might succeed in changing something. If apathy rules, then there is a zero chance of anything changing.

Then it doesn't lie so much in voting rather than good people that are worth a damn running. Can't see spending the time to vote for one of two assholes. IF Ventura was to run for president I would vote!! No income tax? Former Seal? 10 sales tax on everything???!? That is change.. Real, tangible change worth voting for.

Rhino

[SBS 0]

WIFE: What do you want for dinner, honey?
HUSBAND: I don't care, whatever you feel like making.

Dinner arrives...
HUSBAND: Lasagna? I hate lasagna!!

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Here is the scenario that is closer to what Rhino is referring to...

Wife: Sweety, do you want Lasagna or Spaghetti for dinner?
Husband: I don't care, you know I don't like either one.

Dinner comes:
Wife: Why do you look so unhappy? You said you didn't care what we had...
Husband: Yeah, because both my choices sucked, what was the point of choosing?

-S

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I'm not conceited...I'm just realistic about my awesomeness...

[SBS 0]

you probably also fit the clinical definition of a sociopath ....

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True!

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I just think introspection, even if it makes you slightly less effective/efficient at your job, isn't a bad thing.

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We're not talking about a car salesman deciding not to convince a woman that she NEEDS a certain car, because the voice of reason chimed in...we are talking about war, where "somewhat less effective" may not only cost your life, but the lives of hundreds/thousands of others...

-S

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I'm not conceited...I'm just realistic about my awesomeness...

[scottbre 0]

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WIFE: What do you want for dinner, honey?
HUSBAND: I don't care, whatever you feel like making.

Dinner arrives...
HUSBAND: Lasagna? I hate lasagna!!

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Here is the scenario that is closer to what Rhino is referring to...

Wife: Sweety, do you want Lasagna or Spaghetti for dinner?
Husband: I don't care, you know I don't like either one.

Dinner comes:
Wife: Why do you look so unhappy? You said you didn't care what we had...
Husband: Yeah, because both my choices sucked, what was the point of choosing?

-S

Well that's still the Husband's problem. It could have been like this:

Wife: Sweety, do you want Lasagna or Spaghetti for dinner?
Husband: I don't really like either of those. How about pizza, or maybe I could throw something on the grill.

You're only truly powerless if you refuse to make a choice.

"Your mother's full of stupidjuice!"
My Art Project

[rhino 0]

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Well that's still the Husband's problem. It could have been like this:

Wife: Sweety, do you want Lasagna or Spaghetti for dinner?
Husband: I don't really like either of those. How about pizza, or maybe I could throw something on the grill.

Bwahahahahahahahahaha!! That is what I am talking about.. LOL

[freeflir29 0]

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where "somewhat less effective" may not only cost your life, but the lives of hundreds/thousands of others...

Back in February I was sitting in an interview and they asked me what the biggest change in my life had been.One where I had trouble adjusting. I answered that there really were two. One...when I became a Forward Air Controller. I held so many people's lives in my hands in that job. Pretty awesome responsibility. Two...when I got out of the military. Civi life just seems so..boring to me. Thank God for Skydiving. I don't think I could function without my adrenaline fix..... Yep....being "somewhat less effective" or just having a bad day can sure kill a lot of the wrong people when you are dropping bombs and arty shells.