jumpy 0 #1 August 12, 2002 Well i just got my A license on the w/e and i've been told i should really be getting an audible pretty soon which i think wouldn't be to bad an idea...guess it makes you just that little bit safer as long as you don't rely on it to much. My question is what do people recomend? The Pro Tracks got all those cool features and i could probably get the cash to buy one so is it really necissary or does a Pro Dytter do basicly the same thing? Sorry if this seems a bit of a doppy question Thanks Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites betts 0 #2 August 12, 2002 Congrats on the license, nice one. I have both, and from a "bleeping" point of view they do the same job. So it boils down to whether you want all the logging gubbins or not. I find it useful because I often forget to log my jumps and so fill them in later from the Pro-Track... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites skydiverbrian 0 #3 August 12, 2002 QuoteI find it useful because I often forget to log my jumps and so fill them in later from the Pro-Track... Same here. I have both, but primarily use my ProTrack to keep up with jumps so I don't have to log all day long. It's also kinda cool to see the details of the dive, however less-than-accurate they might be. In a world full of people, only some want to fly... isn't that crazy! --Seal Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Deuce 1 #4 August 12, 2002 I've got 'em both too. Get both of them, get the protrack first. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites narcimund 0 #5 August 12, 2002 QuoteSame here. I have both. Why do you have both? If the pro-track is the same, only more, what good does the pro-dytter do you? First Class Citizen Twice Over Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites klingeme 1 #6 August 12, 2002 I had both and recently sold my Pro-Track. The beeps seem to be not as loud and I could not change any of the warnings on the ride to altitude. With the Dyter, you can set them the whole way up, and knowing "exactly" how fast you were falling is pretty neat for about the first 10-20 jumps with the thing, then I found I never looked at that stuff. The question is, do you want an audible, or do you want a logbook? Mark Klingelhoefer Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites PhreeZone 20 #7 August 12, 2002 You can adjust a Protrack all the way to exit if you want to. I do it all the time. Its the same as changing it on the ground.Yesterday is history And tomorrow is a mystery Parachutemanuals.com Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Deuce 1 #8 August 12, 2002 I have two audibles as a safety precaution. Last week the batteries died in my Protrack but I still got beeps out of the ditter. Priority one for me is two audibles, that one of them keeps my logbook is just convenient. I do like to know how fast I'm falling too. I've got like 60 jumps I have to get signed off, though. The Tracker makes me lazy about getting my log signed at the DZ on the day of the jumps. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites hobbes4star 0 #9 August 12, 2002 i have both and it just depends on how much $$$ you are willing to spend. they both do the samething.if fun were easy it wouldn't be worth having, right? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites billvon 3,058 #10 August 12, 2002 >I have two audibles as a safety precaution. While redundancy is good, having redundant redundant safety devices is a little unusual. An audible is a good backup to 'normal' (eye-based) altitude awareness, but is not a good primary means of telling when to pull, when you consider the sound a dead audible makes at pull time. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Deuce 1 #11 August 12, 2002 Oh, yeah! I got a wrist mount too! And a Cypress! Best of all is the Mark 1, Mod 0 eyeball and a wristmount. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites narcimund 0 #12 August 12, 2002 QuoteWhile redundancy is good, having redundant redundant safety devices is a little unusual. I have to agree. In addition, I'm personally not comfortable hanging so many devices off my body. Every bit of gear is one more thing to think about and be distracted by. The last thing you need in a split second crisis is an overload or interaction failure. I had a mal last week that resulted in a cutaway. The last thing I needed at 2000' with a spinning main was lots and lots of helpful little devices telling me their opinion of the situation. All I needed was my eyes telling me where the ground was, my judgement that the canopy was unrecoverable, and my two hands on my two handles. That's enough. While I have a dytter, I'm a bit uneasy about them. The impulse to rely on its authoritative beeping is terribly strong. More and more I think the simplest gear is the safest gear. First Class Citizen Twice Over Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Dumpster 0 #13 August 12, 2002 I started out with a Dytter, telling myself when I got the $$$ up I would buy a ProTrack and have two audibles plus a logger - Well, I still just have the Dytter to provide me with a friendly reminder - and I forget to log at the end of the day - Depends on what you wnat and what you can afford- Easy Does It Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Craig 0 #14 August 12, 2002 Quote While I have a dytter, I'm a bit uneasy about them. The impulse to rely on its authoritative beeping is terribly strong. More and more I think the simplest gear is the safest gear. Agreed. I found on one particular jump without my helmet (and protrack) at brakeoff I started my track and was "anticipating" the pull altitude beeps thinking "hey, I don't have my audible so there will be nothing to hear." I'm glad I was in that "anticipating" mode and altitude aware instead of "waiting" for the protrack to tell me it is time to deploy. Nevertheless it is way to easy to wait for a signal which can be a downfall of an audible. Since then I have moved the brakeoff and pull altitudes down below my planned action so if I hear them before I brakeoff or pull I know to kick myself for not being aware enough. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites BadDog 0 #15 August 13, 2002 I use the ProTrack as a "Dytter" and to log my jumps (I use the JumpTrack software to keep my log on my computer - I don't keep the paper log book anymore). I also use a Dytter or Skytronic Pro as a backup (I have access to a Pro-Dytter but haven't broken down and actually used one yet). I use my eyes as a primary guide, my Digitude, and my two audibles. Once in a while, I jump with the ProTrack in my pocket (so I can use it to log my jumps). If all you want is something beeping in your ear, don't spend all that money on a ProTrack when a plain Dytter or TimeOut will do. If you want the log book features, get the ProTrack. If you become dependent on the audible, get a second one as a backup. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites skydiverbrian 0 #16 August 13, 2002 Quotewhat good does the pro-dytter do you? The Dytter just sits in my locker and makes me sound cool when I say I have both. Really, I got the Dytter first, then the Track -- just never got rid of the Dytter. In a world full of people, only some want to fly... isn't that crazy! --Seal Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites skymick 0 #17 August 13, 2002 Hey congrats on your A license (thanks for the slab!), you're right u should certainly get a audible alti, u might want to consider getting it towards the end of your B-rels though, so you get better at maintaining height aweness and dont end up relying too much on it, thats what I was told anyway when I went to buy mine. Unless youve got the cash You probably dont need a pro track, sure keeping details on your skydives is pretty cool but it it is probably a bit of a gimmick at your stage right now. Anyway that was just my 2 cents... cya on the w/e Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites lummy 4 #18 August 13, 2002 uhm, well.. I happen to know a need skydiver who could use that Dytter Brian, ME!!!!I promise not to TP Davis under canopy.. I promise not to TP Davis under canopy.. eat sushi, get smoochieTTK#1 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites martz 0 #19 August 13, 2002 I got a question about wearing two audibles, do you set both at the same altitude and do they beep at the same time ??? MartZ Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites BadDog 0 #20 August 13, 2002 The altitudes you set them at is up to you, and if you set them at the same altitudes, they beep at about the same time. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Deuce 1 #21 August 13, 2002 Ahem.. Make a deal on that Dytter to Lummy. He's got this really cool new green helmet it would look great in. I want to be there the first time he jumps it.... BEER! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Deuce 1 #22 August 13, 2002 The Bad dog is correct. I make sure both of them are off when I get to the DZ and then activate them both at the same time. They go off at the same time while falling. They may be a second off on climb (they beep at 1000' to let you know they're working) Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites jbrasher 1 #23 August 14, 2002 It doesn't matter they'll all make a noise, just that some will tell you more info after the jump. I'd recommend using any of them as an alarm clock. You should know your altitude and if you use the dytter to 'wake' yourself up if you get distracted you will be reenforcing you ability to time/judge your altitude on every jump instead of training yourself to rely on a battery. Whichever one you get set it 500' below what you normally want to be open. This will let you see how good you are Red, White and Blue Skies, John T. Brasher D-5166 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites jumpy 0 #24 August 14, 2002 ThanksAnd thanks to all for congratulations on my license Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Join the conversation You can post now and register later. 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betts 0 #2 August 12, 2002 Congrats on the license, nice one. I have both, and from a "bleeping" point of view they do the same job. So it boils down to whether you want all the logging gubbins or not. I find it useful because I often forget to log my jumps and so fill them in later from the Pro-Track... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
skydiverbrian 0 #3 August 12, 2002 QuoteI find it useful because I often forget to log my jumps and so fill them in later from the Pro-Track... Same here. I have both, but primarily use my ProTrack to keep up with jumps so I don't have to log all day long. It's also kinda cool to see the details of the dive, however less-than-accurate they might be. In a world full of people, only some want to fly... isn't that crazy! --Seal Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Deuce 1 #4 August 12, 2002 I've got 'em both too. Get both of them, get the protrack first. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
narcimund 0 #5 August 12, 2002 QuoteSame here. I have both. Why do you have both? If the pro-track is the same, only more, what good does the pro-dytter do you? First Class Citizen Twice Over Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
klingeme 1 #6 August 12, 2002 I had both and recently sold my Pro-Track. The beeps seem to be not as loud and I could not change any of the warnings on the ride to altitude. With the Dyter, you can set them the whole way up, and knowing "exactly" how fast you were falling is pretty neat for about the first 10-20 jumps with the thing, then I found I never looked at that stuff. The question is, do you want an audible, or do you want a logbook? Mark Klingelhoefer Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
PhreeZone 20 #7 August 12, 2002 You can adjust a Protrack all the way to exit if you want to. I do it all the time. Its the same as changing it on the ground.Yesterday is history And tomorrow is a mystery Parachutemanuals.com Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Deuce 1 #8 August 12, 2002 I have two audibles as a safety precaution. Last week the batteries died in my Protrack but I still got beeps out of the ditter. Priority one for me is two audibles, that one of them keeps my logbook is just convenient. I do like to know how fast I'm falling too. I've got like 60 jumps I have to get signed off, though. The Tracker makes me lazy about getting my log signed at the DZ on the day of the jumps. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
hobbes4star 0 #9 August 12, 2002 i have both and it just depends on how much $$$ you are willing to spend. they both do the samething.if fun were easy it wouldn't be worth having, right? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
billvon 3,058 #10 August 12, 2002 >I have two audibles as a safety precaution. While redundancy is good, having redundant redundant safety devices is a little unusual. An audible is a good backup to 'normal' (eye-based) altitude awareness, but is not a good primary means of telling when to pull, when you consider the sound a dead audible makes at pull time. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Deuce 1 #11 August 12, 2002 Oh, yeah! I got a wrist mount too! And a Cypress! Best of all is the Mark 1, Mod 0 eyeball and a wristmount. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
narcimund 0 #12 August 12, 2002 QuoteWhile redundancy is good, having redundant redundant safety devices is a little unusual. I have to agree. In addition, I'm personally not comfortable hanging so many devices off my body. Every bit of gear is one more thing to think about and be distracted by. The last thing you need in a split second crisis is an overload or interaction failure. I had a mal last week that resulted in a cutaway. The last thing I needed at 2000' with a spinning main was lots and lots of helpful little devices telling me their opinion of the situation. All I needed was my eyes telling me where the ground was, my judgement that the canopy was unrecoverable, and my two hands on my two handles. That's enough. While I have a dytter, I'm a bit uneasy about them. The impulse to rely on its authoritative beeping is terribly strong. More and more I think the simplest gear is the safest gear. First Class Citizen Twice Over Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Dumpster 0 #13 August 12, 2002 I started out with a Dytter, telling myself when I got the $$$ up I would buy a ProTrack and have two audibles plus a logger - Well, I still just have the Dytter to provide me with a friendly reminder - and I forget to log at the end of the day - Depends on what you wnat and what you can afford- Easy Does It Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Craig 0 #14 August 12, 2002 Quote While I have a dytter, I'm a bit uneasy about them. The impulse to rely on its authoritative beeping is terribly strong. More and more I think the simplest gear is the safest gear. Agreed. I found on one particular jump without my helmet (and protrack) at brakeoff I started my track and was "anticipating" the pull altitude beeps thinking "hey, I don't have my audible so there will be nothing to hear." I'm glad I was in that "anticipating" mode and altitude aware instead of "waiting" for the protrack to tell me it is time to deploy. Nevertheless it is way to easy to wait for a signal which can be a downfall of an audible. Since then I have moved the brakeoff and pull altitudes down below my planned action so if I hear them before I brakeoff or pull I know to kick myself for not being aware enough. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
BadDog 0 #15 August 13, 2002 I use the ProTrack as a "Dytter" and to log my jumps (I use the JumpTrack software to keep my log on my computer - I don't keep the paper log book anymore). I also use a Dytter or Skytronic Pro as a backup (I have access to a Pro-Dytter but haven't broken down and actually used one yet). I use my eyes as a primary guide, my Digitude, and my two audibles. Once in a while, I jump with the ProTrack in my pocket (so I can use it to log my jumps). If all you want is something beeping in your ear, don't spend all that money on a ProTrack when a plain Dytter or TimeOut will do. If you want the log book features, get the ProTrack. If you become dependent on the audible, get a second one as a backup. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
skydiverbrian 0 #16 August 13, 2002 Quotewhat good does the pro-dytter do you? The Dytter just sits in my locker and makes me sound cool when I say I have both. Really, I got the Dytter first, then the Track -- just never got rid of the Dytter. In a world full of people, only some want to fly... isn't that crazy! --Seal Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
skymick 0 #17 August 13, 2002 Hey congrats on your A license (thanks for the slab!), you're right u should certainly get a audible alti, u might want to consider getting it towards the end of your B-rels though, so you get better at maintaining height aweness and dont end up relying too much on it, thats what I was told anyway when I went to buy mine. Unless youve got the cash You probably dont need a pro track, sure keeping details on your skydives is pretty cool but it it is probably a bit of a gimmick at your stage right now. Anyway that was just my 2 cents... cya on the w/e Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
lummy 4 #18 August 13, 2002 uhm, well.. I happen to know a need skydiver who could use that Dytter Brian, ME!!!!I promise not to TP Davis under canopy.. I promise not to TP Davis under canopy.. eat sushi, get smoochieTTK#1 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
martz 0 #19 August 13, 2002 I got a question about wearing two audibles, do you set both at the same altitude and do they beep at the same time ??? MartZ Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
BadDog 0 #20 August 13, 2002 The altitudes you set them at is up to you, and if you set them at the same altitudes, they beep at about the same time. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Deuce 1 #21 August 13, 2002 Ahem.. Make a deal on that Dytter to Lummy. He's got this really cool new green helmet it would look great in. I want to be there the first time he jumps it.... BEER! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Deuce 1 #22 August 13, 2002 The Bad dog is correct. I make sure both of them are off when I get to the DZ and then activate them both at the same time. They go off at the same time while falling. They may be a second off on climb (they beep at 1000' to let you know they're working) Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
jbrasher 1 #23 August 14, 2002 It doesn't matter they'll all make a noise, just that some will tell you more info after the jump. I'd recommend using any of them as an alarm clock. You should know your altitude and if you use the dytter to 'wake' yourself up if you get distracted you will be reenforcing you ability to time/judge your altitude on every jump instead of training yourself to rely on a battery. Whichever one you get set it 500' below what you normally want to be open. This will let you see how good you are Red, White and Blue Skies, John T. Brasher D-5166 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
jumpy 0 #24 August 14, 2002 ThanksAnd thanks to all for congratulations on my license Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
