Tube stows and hop-n-pops

[lippy 918]

I'm cross-posting this in gear and rigging, I'd really like some other opinions on what the hell happened here:
So yesterday, we just got up one last load before the sun went down. 4 hop-n-pops from 3 grand. Get out, toss, and then I get to the point where I know I should have a canopy over my head, but I don't. Look up to see a spinning d-bag over my head with the last 3 closing stows still done up. I had enough altitude to shake the canopy out, and be out of twists by 2100feet, about to shit myself. Back on the ground, I was told my tube stows might have had somthing to do with it. Apparently, if you're sub-terminal they tend to cause this kind of thing more than bungees. Anybody know if this is true, or just a beer-light revelation?

I got nuthin

[rgoper 0]

i'm thinking that's a real possibility, it's not the first time i've heard of it. glad it worked out for you!

--Richard--
"We Will Not Be Shaken By Thugs, And Terroist"

[fasterfaller 0]

Did you single or double wrap them ? I will double wrap the lines below the cascade and single wrap the rest .

[lippy 918]

It's a fairly tight fit just to get the closing stows done with a single wrap. I don't think I've ever seen a douple wrap on a tube stow

I got nuthin

[wlie 0]

Never used tube-stows because bubber rands are cheaper.

Funny thing about bag locks, I experienced one on my sub 10 freefalls. Also from a hop-n-pop. The chute finally deployed on it's own, so I guess it might have to do with deploying at sub-terminal. Now the rubber bands on them student rigs were the black kind. The DZ recently switched to the yellow kind because the black kind doesn't break as easily after certain stretch length, thus causing bag locks.

You might also want to check you pilot chute. I imagine that if F111 canopies loose their ZP-ness, I'm sure the same applied to F111 PCs.

Your best source of info I think would be from your rigger.

[SkydiveMonkey 0]

I use tube stows all round and never have a problem.

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[Jasmin 0]

As long as you maintain them (ie TIGHTEN them! [RTFI-read the f. instructions!]) Tube stows are fine. Problem is that 75% of the jumping community can't be arsed (I count myself here and took tube stows OFF my new rig) to do this and their tube stoes behave more like bungee than rubber bands (ie they won't snap and they won't release).
The worst statistic ever heard on this in an arguement was that about 6 out of 10 bag locks happen on rigs with tube stows.
Beg to differ? CHeck the incident book at your DZ and ask around.....its usually around about this number! Very scary.

xj

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[SkydiveMonkey 0]

That's only just over half, and seeing as the other half use bungies........

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[Spy38W 0]

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As long as you maintain them (ie TIGHTEN them! [RTFI-read the f. instructions!])

How do you tighten them? I've never used Tube Stows, but been thinking about giving them a try in the semi-near future.

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[Jasmin 0]

The original number quoted by Larry was 7/10 and that was in the USA...the question is are there more rigs with rubber bands or more rigs with tube stowes?!
I found it to be closer to 6/10 but not by much.

xj

"I wouldn't recommend picking a fight with the earth...but then I wouldn't recommend picking a fight with a car either, and that's having tried both."

[Jasmin 0]

I severely doubt there's any difference b/n them here and over there. You have to loop them through again as if tying them on originally.
You have to keep the tension on them because they're less likely to snap and more likely to stretch than rubber bands.
I've got nothing against tube stoes, just look after them and yourself.
ps I don't know what you guys mean by bungee, but I was referring in my original post to stretching liike a bungee cord, as in the variety you use to jump off bridges!
ps Read The F MANUAL! Nobody seems to do this anymore!? Its created for a reason, not just as extra packaging to make the bag look like its better value for money!!!?! (This was not intended as a personal attack on you SPY)

xj

"I wouldn't recommend picking a fight with the earth...but then I wouldn't recommend picking a fight with a car either, and that's having tried both."

[Lindsey 0]

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The worst statistic ever heard on this in an arguement was that about 6 out of 10 bag locks happen on rigs with tube stows.

Without additional data, that statistic is worthless.....

Peas~
Lindsey

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[lippy 918]

The rigger at a DZ I occasionally visit makes his own tube stows. I just bought a bag off of him. No intructions included. At my home DZ, I havn't seen too many other rigs with them. I always laugh whenever I hear that snap, followed by 'F#*in Elastics' and praise my tube stows. That's why I wanna know if their a factor in the bag lock.

I got nuthin

[Spy38W 0]

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ps Read The F MANUAL! Nobody seems to do this anymore!? Its created for a reason, not just as extra packaging to make the bag look like its better value for money!!!?! (This was not intended as a personal attack on you SPY)

I figured as much when I saw replies to the other posts.. I haven't purchased them yet, so I wouldn't be able to look at the extra packaging yet.

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[LawnDart21 0]

Just a side note, if I get out of any plane below 3,000ft, I ask/tell the pilot that I want to get out without a cut, so the extra ground speed increases the relative wind and makes for a quicker deployment. Cheers. Stay safe up there!

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