jfields 0 #1 August 1, 2002 Got this in my e-mail, and wondered if it was true. If so, any thoughts on the matter? Quote Interesting changes to the licensing requirements. * USPA Licenses will be aligned with the FAI requirements effective September 30, 2003. The jump number requirements will be the following: * 25 for a USPA A License * 50 for a USPA B License * 200 for a USPA C License * 500 for a USPA D License Appropriate changes will also be incorporated into the competition and rating systems to allow for similar jump number requirements that already exist in order to obtain ratings or enter competition. Those who have obtained a license prior to September 30, 2003 will not be required to meet any additional jump numbers if they are below the FAI minimum when they receive their USPA License. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
hobbes4star 0 #2 August 1, 2002 i better hurry up and get my D test done, if that is true... if fun were easy it wouldn't be worth having, right? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
narcimund 0 #3 August 1, 2002 Quote i better hurry up and get my D test done, if that is true... You don't have to rush TOO much. Notice the change is anticipated for 14 months from now. First Class Citizen Twice Over Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
hobbes4star 0 #4 August 1, 2002 ya but that is a really short time when you are the worlds biggest procrastinatorif fun were easy it wouldn't be worth having, right? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Viking 0 #5 August 1, 2002 i think i have you beat there man. Almost a year and i still don't have my A!I swear you must have footprints on the back of your helmet - chicagoskydiver My God has a bigger dick than your god -George Carlin Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
hobbes4star 0 #6 August 1, 2002 ya but according to your profile you only have 24 dives?? i had over 70 before i got my A. than 120 before i got my B. but granted it didn't take me a year to get my A. but jumping at eloy i can go year round..if fun were easy it wouldn't be worth having, right? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
TEB6363 0 #7 August 1, 2002 This is all new news to me. Maybe I should start looking at the USPA web page again... Once the plane takes off, you're gonna have to land - Might as well jump out!! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
skymut 0 #8 August 1, 2002 Quote ya but that is a really short time when you are the worlds biggest procrastinator "I want to be a procrastinator, and I'll get to it tomorrow," -ME Matt A well-informed person is somebody who has the same views and opinions as yours. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
wlie 0 #9 August 1, 2002 I better get my C by the end of the week! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Michele 1 #10 August 1, 2002 Quote i better hurry up and get my D test done, if that is true... [Wink] Why? Will you quit after you get your D? Or do you just want your D? And if they change the rules, and make it a little harder, why is that an issue? No, I am not picking on you or anything - just really curious what the rush is, is all. Ciels and Pinks- Michele ~Do Angels keep the dreams we seek While our hearts lie bleeding?~ Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Sinkster 0 #11 August 2, 2002 One example of why there might be a rush is at my dz you can only do beach jumps if you have a C license. U get the idea. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
gravitysurf808 0 #12 August 2, 2002 Quote ya but that is a really short time when you are the worlds biggest procrastinator How dare you steal my title hobbes, how dare you??!!!?? I really should lay a load of sh*t on you for this!! Yeah that's it I think I will do this...yeah.. I'll do it some time next week!!!! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
wlie 0 #13 August 2, 2002 Quote [Why? Will you quit after you get your D? Or do you just want your D? And if they change the rules, and make it a little harder, why is that an issue? No, I am not picking on you or anything - just really curious what the rush is, is all. 'Coz it's a better deal. At $18 a jump, that's $1368 more I'd have to invest where I'm at. Better that money go towards a D than a C. Boy. Now I'z got to figure a way to come up with that kind of cash before the deadline. Think I can make 76 jumps in 9 weekends? Think the wife will let me? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Spy38W 0 #14 August 2, 2002 Quote Think I can make 76 jumps in 9 weekends? Think the wife will let me? It said 2003... 61 weeks to make 76 jumps.. you should be able to swing it -- Hook high, flare on time Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Jimbo 0 #15 August 2, 2002 It seems odd that you're the only one who's mentioned receiving this email. I'm thinking it's hoax. - Jim"Like" - The modern day comma Good bye, my friends. You are missed. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
sar911 0 #16 August 2, 2002 It is not a hoax. It was voted and approved by the USPA board of directors two weeks ago at the meeting in Chicago. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
indyz 1 #17 August 2, 2002 Any reason why it wasn't mentioned here? This seems like fairly major news, more so than changing tandem opening altitudes (at least to me), but it seems to have been completely left out, if it is even true. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
sar911 0 #18 August 2, 2002 Brian, I agree 100%. I had a long and heated conversation with Glenn Bangs (chair of the safety committee) about this not being published on the posted agenda. If the general membership had been better informed I think more that 12 people would have showed up at the meeting. It's not that I am for or against the change, its just that something that is going to impact skydiving this greatly should have be posted everywhere that it was going to be on the BOD agenda. And not in a little one line blurb about coming inline with FAI in a committee report. Look at the impact money wise that this will have on the average jumper. An extra 300 jumps for a D-Lic. @$18 a jump is $5,400. It will give more creditability to the lic. though and make you a more experienced jumper. Glenn said that the information about the change will be in the September issue of Parachutist. Best Regards, Mike Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Kris 0 #19 August 2, 2002 Actually, the news was in my e-mail this morning as part of the USPA S&TA news brief sent out to JM's, instructors & IE's. Kris Here's a full cut & paste: U.S. Parachute Association Publications Safety & Training Newsletter A Bulletin for the training community Vol. 2, Issue 7 August 1, 2002 USPA Tandem Instructor Course Approved By The FAA The FAA has issued a letter of acceptance recognizing USPA's Tandem Instructor Course. Part 105 requires a tandem instructor to have successfully completed, and been certified, "by the manufacturer of the tandem parachute system…or a course acceptable to the (FAA) Administrator." Prior to FAA acceptance, a tandem instructor must have held a current tandem manufacturer's rating to comply with the regulation. Now, a tandem instructor can hold only a current USPA tandem instructor rating and be in compliance. A USPA Tandem Course Director must be approved by the manufacturer to train individuals for using that manufacturers equipment as a USPA Tandem Instructor. See below for more information regarding tandem skydives. Coach Course Directors The USPA website lists current Coach Course Directors divided by Region. There have been requests to add contact information so that it is easier for members to get in touch with a course director near them. If you are a current course director and would like to have your email address or phone number added to the website send an email to jcrouch@uspa.org with the contact information. USPA will not add any contact information without a request from the individual. July Board of Directors Meeting The Board Meeting wrapped up on Sunday, July 14 after several long days of work by Board members, USPA staff and Board advisors. Below are the motions that came out of Safety and Training: USPA Licenses will be aligned with the FAI requirements effective September 30, 2003. The jump number requirements will be the following: 25 for a USPA A License 50 for a USPA B License 200 for a USPA C License 500 for a USPA D License Appropriate changes will also be incorporated into the competition and rating systems to allow for similar jump number requirements that already exist in order to obtain ratings or enter competition. Those who have obtained a license prior to September 30, 2003 will not be required to meet any additional jump numbers if they are below the FAI minimum when they receive their USPA License. The Instructional Rating Manual has been approved pending final review by the S&T Committee. The completed manual is targeted for a September 1 release date, once the changes are incorporated from the Board meeting. The 2003 Skydiver’s Information Manual has been approved pending final review by the S&T Committee. The completed manual is also targeted for a September 1 release date, once the changes from the Board meeting are incorporated. Among the many changes to the SIM are new sections for camera flying and wing suit recommendations. Several additions to the Basic Safety Requirements were incorporated to address tandem issues: Demonstration jumps into level 2 areas require a USPA D License with a PRO Rating for all jumpers, including both tandem jump participants. Contact canopy formation activity is prohibited on tandem jumps. Tandem jumps into stadiums are prohibited. Any skydiver acting as a Parachutist In Command on a tandem jump must possess an FAA Class 3 medical certificate or the equivalent. Tandem jump opening altitude has been changed from 4,000 feet to 4,500 feet. Intentional back-to-earth or vertical orientations that cause tandem freefall speeds to exceed that of droguefall are prohibited. Skydivers are to be at least the age of legal majority for jumps using a tandem parachute system. This takes effect February 28, 2003. Additional Board highlights can be found at http://www.uspa.org/default_copy(1).htm#BOD There will also be a full report in the September issue of Parachutist magazine.Sky, Muff Bro, Rodriguez Bro, and Bastion of Purity and Innocence!™ Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
coconutmonkey 0 #20 August 2, 2002 yeah, it's true. Just got my S&T newsletter and it was in the Board meeting notes from 14 July.Hearts & Minds 2 to the Heart- 1 to the Mind- Home of the Coconut Lounge, Spa, & Artillery Range Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
wlie 0 #21 August 2, 2002 Quote It said 2003... 61 weeks to make 76 jumps.. you should be able to swing it Are we still in 2002? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Spy38W 0 #22 August 2, 2002 Quote Quote It said 2003... 61 weeks to make 76 jumps.. you should be able to swing it Are we still in 2002? I think so, for a little while longer anyway.. -- Hook high, flare on time Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
jtval 0 #23 August 2, 2002 thanks for the post Kris Um I for one KNow that I will have 200 jupms (for my current D) before that time...but if I dont its not really that big a deal. I am in it for the long haul. i will have 10's of thousands of jumps befroe I am too old to jump (then I can shoot myself) so relatively speaking another 300 jumps is not even a fraction ofthe $$ I will spend on this LIFE STYE!My photos My Videos Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Jimbo 0 #24 August 2, 2002 Quote Look at the impact money wise that this will have on the average jumper. An extra 300 jumps for a D-Lic. @$18 a jump is $5,400. It will give more creditability to the lic. though and make you a more experienced jumper. 500 jumps vs. 200 jumps makes you a more experienced jumper, the D license has nothing to do with that. I don't think that simply upping the jump numbers for the license gives more credibility to the license, upping the requirement does. By upping the requirements I mean things like demonstrated canopy skills (other than simply landing in the peas), demonstrated air skills, etc... Upping the jump numbers without upping the stakes doesn't mean much I'm afraid. - Jim"Like" - The modern day comma Good bye, my friends. You are missed. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
FallingMarc 0 #25 August 2, 2002 Quote somethingsomething... better that money go to a D than a C... something something... Look at the impact money wise that this will have on the average jumper. An extra 300 jumps for a D-Lic. @$18 a jump is $5,400... Just kinda curious, but how is this actually going to impact the money anybody spends jumping? Are you guys planning to get your D then stop jumping altogether? I don't think my license will affect my "as much as I can afford and feel like" jump schedule. Actually, I think these are way closer to accurate requirements anyway- at 120 jumps, there's no way I'm over halfway to considering myself an "Expert" skydiver. Just some thoughts. M Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
