Shahnwashington 0 #1 September 7, 2013 I'm still jumping under student status and am looking to get my first rig. My biggest problem is I'm 6'5, 210 pounds...hard to find a used rig. My first question is I've been offered an icon student rig that is 1 1/2 years old with a spectre 210, smart 220 and cypress 2 with 4 years left, it was used for aff students and appears to be in good condition. They are selling it for $4500. Is that a good price? Question two would it be better to just go ahead and spend another $2500 and get a brand new voodoo curv setup...I ask because I know I'll downsize and hate to spend the $7000 on a new setup up if I'm going to want to sell it in a year. Any advice would be appreciated because I'm lost. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
sundevil777 102 #2 September 7, 2013 How do you know you will downsize from a 210? The WL you would have is actually a bit aggressive for you at first, and is what a lot of very experienced jumpers are at. The rig might be a decent deal, it depends on the condition, age and number of jumps of all the components (you've already said not everything is 1.5 years old on that rig). I don't think the curv is made in sizes for canopies you should be using.People are sick and tired of being told that ordinary and decent people are fed up in this country with being sick and tired. I’m certainly not, and I’m sick and tired of being told that I am Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
flyingdrinkard 0 #3 September 7, 2013 +1 on the voodoo not being large enough. The biggest the Voodoo will hold as a main is a 190. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Shahnwashington 0 #4 September 7, 2013 Yeah I just saw that in the sizing chart, a little depressing.....I'm not sure that I will downsize that's just what I was told by some other jumpers at the dz. I like the 210, it does fly a bit fast but I'm comfortable with it. Tried a 230 and felt like I was float all day way overshot my landing. I believe everything but the cypress is 1.5 old. The dz said they'd check to see how many jumps are on the gear, was one of the first questions I asked. How many would be a decent range for this price? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
sundevil777 102 #5 September 7, 2013 ShahnwashingtonYeah I just saw that in the sizing chart, a little depressing.....I'm not sure that I will downsize that's just what I was told by some other jumpers at the dz. I like the 210, it does fly a bit fast but I'm comfortable with it. Tried a 230 and felt like I was float all day way overshot my landing. I believe everything but the cypress is 1.5 old. The dz said they'd check to see how many jumps are on the gear, was one of the first questions I asked. How many would be a decent range for this price? Those telling you that you will definitely want to downsize below a 210 should be ignored. That should be a long way in the future if at all. Different canopy designe have different flight characteristics, so the 230 and the 210 Spectre may be inherently not comparable. The Spectre doesn't have the flat glide ratio of many other designs.People are sick and tired of being told that ordinary and decent people are fed up in this country with being sick and tired. I’m certainly not, and I’m sick and tired of being told that I am Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Joellercoaster 6 #6 September 7, 2013 Hey... I feel your pain; I'm 6'5" and 200lbs on the button. Gear shopping is a hassle and I have never managed to find a second hand container yet. You are already ahead of the game. Whether or not that's a good price depends entirely on the state of the gear and the number of jumps (as you have found), but it's not a bad price, potentially. You are in a small and competitive market, so you might factor that into your calculation. As for the main size, the 1:1 rule for a first canopy has a bit more wiggle room for larger people, but only a bit. The chart that you've seen is not depressing, but you should absolutely take it seriously! If you do downsize (and it is an "if" - a good friend of mine is still on his first canopy, and we started jumping together), you will find as a large-economy-sized person that you get more performance increase each time you do it. This changes the economy a little bit, as you will generally have longer between canopies. Potentially, maybe? I'd be OK with paying a little over the odds for a rig that I could actually get into without buying new, knowing they were somewhat rare and that I would need a new one less frequently than most.-- "I'll tell you how all skydivers are judged, . They are judged by the laws of physics." - kkeenan "You jump out, pull the string and either live or die. What's there to be good at? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
riggerrob 643 #7 September 7, 2013 ***" .................................................................................... The 210 and the 230 should glide at about the same angle. The "float all day" was more about surface winds and how well you adjusted your landing pattern for those winds. You made a minor mis-judgement and got bored. I worry more about you making major mis-judgements and landing in the hospital. When you mess up an approach - badly - the more square footage over-head, the better your chances of walking away from your mistakes. This advice is coming from a grumpy, old jumper who has limped away from a lot of botched landing patterns. Hah! Hah! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
BIGUN 1,297 #8 September 8, 2013 What gear are you jumping REGULARLY now? Read this... While we wait for your response. http://www.performancedesigns.com/docs/Spectre-Flight-Char.PDFNobody has time to listen; because they're desperately chasing the need of being heard. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Shahnwashington 0 #9 September 8, 2013 Spectre 210 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
jailbot 0 #10 September 8, 2013 Find a container that fits well and a main that isn't out of your skill range. Like most suggest, stay to that 1/1 wing loading ratio, or less if you're a bigger guy (you'd rather be coming in slow than hot). I always suggest buying used because you will eat shit at some point in time. As far as your situation goes (being super tall) I'd put something together by buying stuff separate. You're going to have to be more patient, waiting for the right opportunity to buy gear, but will probably end up with something more comfortable than buying a complete system. Don't get me wrong, you might have an awesome chance to buy a full system, so be diligent. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Trafficdiver 8 #11 September 9, 2013 Shahnwashington Tried a 230 and felt like I was float all day way overshot my landing. That is a pilot problem, not a canopy problem. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
