BEER/MAL QUESTION...

[Skyflier 0]

Having read the "beer buying protocol" from a previous thread I was still unable to find the answer to a question regarding a situation I was involved in.
Last year, while still using student SOS gear, I had a high speed mal packed for me by another student (gotta love that reserve opening at terminal!). Suffice to say I very happily bought a case of European beer that night and spent the night enthusiastically telling anyone who asked about the jump. My question is, if another person/packer packs a mal, should they buy a case as well?

[E150 0]

I'd guess 'yes' if it is the first mal they have packed.

[freeflir29 0]

I would say that they not only owe me a case of beer but should also spring for the repack!!! You are still responsible for the bottle to the rigger though. It was your life that was saved. It would be bad Karma not to buy that.
"Here I come to save the BOOBIES!"

[bbarnhouse 0]

My first mal the rigger gave me a choice; 2 choice cut steaks, or a date with him...........I chose the steaks! LOL
Clay is right.........karma
If you learn not to expect anything, you don't leave room for disappointment.

[SkymonkeyONE 4]

Yes, you owed a case of beer for your first reserve ride, but also a bottle of liquor to the rigger that packed the reserve. Avoid having to ask this question in the future by not jumping a pack job that either you, a rigger, or a rigger-supervised packer did not pack.
Chuck
My webpage HERE

[rgoper 0]

i read all the responses from your thread topic. and i must admit, now, to say the least i'm confused by the responses.
not long ago there was a thread in these very forums that was entitled "do you tip your rigger?" i always do, but there were a lot of folks saying they should do it because they're professional, and it's they're job, they take pride in they're work, etc...in fact i was slightly scorched for my remarks.
now i see we should supply them with a fifth of whiskey, plus the pack job. so which is it, tip, or not to tip? or tip with a fifth? i'm all confused by now, not that that takes much, but that's besides the point.
personally, i'll continue tipping my rigger, but NOT with whiskey, and NO, i won't buy beer for any such occasion.
Richard
"Gravity Is My Friend"

[jceman 1]

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now i see we should supply them with a fifth of whiskey

From the Beer Rules as found on Wendy Faulkner's page:
"10. It is generally recognized that using a reserve parachute for the purpose of saving one's worthless, non-packing self from a gory death requires him to buy the saving rigger dinner or the bottle of liquor of his choice."
For the full set of rules, and to join an outstanding organization go here

[cloudseeker2001 0]

WHY would you jump a pack job that another student packed? did you not know?
"no eternal reward will forgive us now for wasting the dawn"

[PhreeZone 20]

Yep... if I just saved your no-packing using the fastest packer on the DZ, making 25 jumps a day, pissed at off heading opening, demanding Air Conditioning everywhere including the planes ass with a reserve save.... I'd like a fifth of Vodka... Some import if it was caught on video too.... If there are more then one view point on video of the mal and reserve opening.... You better add a case of beer for the DZ's fridge to that repack fee too....
Don't tip me up front.... tip me at the end of the useage of my services like a waiter.
Drop the tube...DROP the tube...

[Skyflier 0]

"WHY would you jump a pack job that another student packed?"
Well, I'm not sure what happens in the states but at my DZ in oz the last student to jump the student gear packs it under supervision...so when I turned up at the DZ I used this rig that had been packed the weekend before and not yet used. It was my 22nd jump and this is simply the way it is done and I had no reason to question it. I did however have my own set of gear within two weeks of this happening. I'm glad I had a mal so early in my skydiving carrier because it gave me confidence in my ability to handle a high speed/high stress situation.
My question was not whether the rigger who packed the reserve should be bought alcohol (ofcourse he should be) but simply if two cases of beer should be supplied after a situation such as this...in my case the packer didn't and I'm not sure if I expected him to (he's a good friend of mine by the way) I just wanted to see what others thought.
JP

[AggieDave 6]

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but at my DZ in oz the last student to jump the student gear packs it under supervision

Then, if I was jumping that rig, the very first thing I would do when I took it off the rack is pop the main out and repack it. I'm sorry, but I don't trust student pack jobs like that. Not unless I was the one that was supervising and even then I might repack it. Personally I think that extra 10 minutes is worth it.
Aerials
So up high
When you free your lives (the) eternal prize

[Skyflier 0]

You appear to have missed my point aggiedave.
I, like you, would certainly not jump student packed gear...now.
Hindsight is a wonderful thing.
When instructors with several thousand jumps tell you "this is how it's done" I tend to listen. As I also stated, this was not something that happened recently.
Jp

[AggieDave 6]

Chill Winston...
Since others had discussed the beer thing and I adhere to the beer rules as found on Wendy's website, I thought I would let that be and make a point that I thought was important.
Aerials
So up high
When you free your lives (the) eternal prize

[ernokaikkonen 0]

>Then, if I was jumping that rig, the very first thing I would do when I took it off the
>rack is pop the main out and repack it.
That's just not the way it works here(in Finland)... On most DZ's, ~ from jump #3 on, students are supposed to pack themselves. So practically students _only_ jump student-packed gear... The packjobs are of course supervised, and a C/D licenced jumper must check the packjob at two(or three at some DZ's) stages, and sign the packing card with his initials after each stage. The system works quite well; we have very few student-mals.
Erno

[Skystorm 0]

It works the same over here. We don't have packers and are only 10 active skydivers, JM included.
So from the second jump a student packs his own gear, supervised by a C/D lic. jumper. And only students jumps student packed gear. Luckily for us, we've never had a student malfunction. And I sincerely hope that it never happens. I for one, if not satisfied with the packjob, pop the main and repack it.
Skyflier, he should've bought beer.
Don't THINK you can, KNOW you can...

[PhillyKev 0]

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if another person/packer packs a mal, should they buy a case as well?

You didn't say what kind of mal you had. Was it a horseshoe? If so, you might have knocked the pin loose on the way out of the plane. Was it line twists? Could have been because of an unstable opening, etc. I don't like the "blame the packer" game. I use them, and haven't had any problems. If I did, it's my fault anyway for not packing it myself. I wouldn't place blame on them or require them to buy beer unless they did something completely heinous, like put a step through in the lines or something like that.
cielos azules y cerveza fría
-Kevin

[Skyflier 0]

It was a total malfunction of sorts. I believe the rigger that examined it said it was a pressure lock. With the ripcord pulled nothing came out. I was told later that if I had given the container a good whack with my elbow it possibly would have come out, but having not been trained to do this I went straight to emergency procedures.
Perhaps you need to re-read my posts phillykev if you got the impression that i was "blaming the packer" as I really don't know what could have given you that idea. I even said that my inital reaction was being unsure as to whether they owed anything.
If you got the wrong idea or thought I'm in the blaming people game then I'm sorry for not expressing myself clearly enough.
JP