billvon 2,998 #26 June 10, 2002 >I'm just curious... when you refer to hook turns are you using the term> synonymously with swooping or is there a clear difference to you?Well, the term I try to use is "high performance landing," or a landing made with more speed than the parachute generates on a straight-in approach. Generally swooping means the same thing, while hook turn refers to such a manuever that includes a radical turn as part of the approach. Since most people who get hurt get hurt during a toggle initiated low turn or hook turn (the HP landing manuever with the least margin for error) I tend to complain about them the most.-bill von Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ChromeBoy 0 #27 June 10, 2002 Quotemost people who get hurt get hurt during a toggle initiated low turn or hook turnSo toggle turns are more dangerous than front riser turns. I thought riser turns brough you in faster? Blue Happiness Stuff,Chrome Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
billvon 2,998 #28 June 10, 2002 >So toggle turns are more dangerous than front riser turns. I thought riser >turns brough you in faster? Both can bring you in very fast; but at any point in a front riser initiated turn, you can drop the front riser and bury the toggles and get a lot of flare power. That may not save you if you do it way too low, but the canopy will do its best to save you. In a toggle initiated hook, once you start the canopy diving, it cannot flare until it gets back to normal flying speed and gets above you. If you initiated too low, the canopy will not do much to stop your descent, even if you flare hard. The margin for error is much smaller.-bill von Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
freeflir29 0 #29 June 10, 2002 QuoteThe margin for error is much smallerNo doubt.....I watched video of a guy not long ago that insists on toggle hooking. Scares the shit out of me. He absolutely burried himself in the swoop ditch even though the toggles were burried. "Here I come to save the BOOBIES!" Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
skydiventom 0 #30 June 10, 2002 There was a "invincible" hundred jumper last year in Elsinore that thought he knew it all.... Saturday night he was commenting on the days formation jumps... part of my conversation with him was that he should buy a helmet. I figue they come in handy sometimes. The next day he cut his canopy away somewhere too close to the ground.... I suppose in that situation a helmet probly wouldn't have helped much. When I think of him, I feel angry... I wonder what his parents or other family thought...... My thoughts are about their pain.... who knows... I suppose no matter how much we talk. There will be some that just don't realize that this sport can kill you very quickly.... especially if you think you are "invencible"Honest, it wasn't me..... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
nacmacfeegle 0 #31 June 10, 2002 "...... My thoughts are about their pain.... who knows... "My feelings too, when I had my bad biff, it finally sank in that this is not just my life, and it would be a selfish act to destroy myself in some stupid way. I was totally blown away by other people's 'love' and concern for me. I guess very few of us realise just how many other people out there care deeply for our well being, and actually like having us around. This year I have felt great pain over losing some good friends, that is a pain I would rather not have to experience again.Tom, I share your anger and would add helpless frustration to the emotional mix.CyaDGR# 37Remember how lucky you are to see and touch the sky; the blind may only dream. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
