AggieDave 6 #26 April 29, 2002 BSD is far superior to SolarusA human cannonball, I rise above it allUp higher then a trapeze, I can fly Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Sebazz1 2 #27 April 29, 2002 Cat O' Nines vs. Standard Whip?SEBAZZ....... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
billvon 3,076 #28 April 29, 2002 >Extremists never really make a point as you elloquently illustrated. I agree, which is why I posted the sarcastic reply to a claim that an AAD means you don't need an RSL. They are not really related, as good tires are not related to seatbelts. In addition, many anti-RSL folks have a favorite story about some guy who had an RSL and died, just as anti-seatbelt folks have a favorite story about someone who didn't wear a seatbelt and lived. I don't agree with either claim - although I would also point out that the decision is (and should be) up to each jumper or driver.-bill von Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
skybytch 273 #29 April 29, 2002 QuoteBecause I have a Cypres, I don't see the need to have an RSL, too.I added a Cypres to my rig a month ago. I added the RSL this weekend. I don't expect to ever need either one... pull & flare,lisa[subliminal msg]My website Go Now[/subliminal msg] Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
FallingILweenie 0 #30 April 29, 2002 Coke is better than Pepsi."Marge, it takes 2 people to lie. One to lie and one to listen."-Homer Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Sebazz1 2 #31 April 29, 2002 California is better than Texas............SEBAZZ....... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
jceman 1 #32 April 29, 2002 QuoteCalifornia is better than Texas............Nothin' says lovin' like somethin' in the oven... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Sebazz1 2 #33 April 29, 2002 Doooooohhh Nice one.........SEBAZZ....... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
sunshine 2 #34 April 29, 2002 QuoteCat O' Nines vs. Standard Whip?That's not a debate. Everyone knows the cat o' nines is better!!"A day without sunshine is....well....it's dark" Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ChromeBoy 0 #35 April 29, 2002 I'm warming up the fork... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites wildblue 7 #36 April 29, 2002 QuoteLinux is clearly a superior operating system to anything Microsoft has to offer.Are you going for a debate here fred? No one will argue that!Now, we could get the vi vs. emacs thing going again....... I forget how the rest of it goes, but you're mother's a whore!! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites SkydiveMonkey 0 #37 April 29, 2002 Quote Linux is clearly a superior operating system to anything Microsoft has to offer Agreed. But, as everyone uses MS ...... boobies - the cause of, and solution to, all of lifes problems Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites AggieDave 6 #38 April 29, 2002 vi, only vi, it responds so beautifully to just a few well placed key stroke commands, none of those stupid menus! A human cannonball, I rise above it allUp higher then a trapeze, I can fly Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites rogue108 0 #39 April 30, 2002 Actually the new Mac OS is pretty good and very stable...yet I don't use it Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites AndyMan 7 #40 April 30, 2002 Carrie, I'm going to step into this debate, only gingerly.This topic comes up periodically on the Gear and Rigging Forum, and the Safety and Training forum. Every time it comes up, the same arguments get rehashed over and over again. The only difference is the people involved.The debates usually involve someone sort of like yourself, who's got their opinion, and think it's a good opinion. They usually get this opinion from someone they respect. Maybe this other person is someone they look up to, maybe it's even an instructor, or even a head instructor or S&TA.The great thing about the internet and DZ.COM is that you can bypass self appointed experts and go straight to the source. You CAN ask Bill Booth what he thinks about RSL's. Email would probably be a good way to do this. You could also ask Bill Von Nowak, or Allan Binebose, or you could email John Leblanc, Brian Germaine, or any other respected industry profesional. You could ask people who ARE experts, and not the self appointed kind. Or you could go reading... You could use the search function in the gear and rigging forum.There you'd see the opinions of pretty much everyone I just mentioned, except for the notable exception of John Leblanc. For some reason he won't come here. You could read the opinions of people who are respected exactly for their opinions and knowledge.One of the reasons this thread has been rather negative and even insulting is that the issue came up real recently, and a great long thread insued. It seemed like it would never die.It was exactly this thread that caused BillVon to write the article that's currently on the homepage - you know, the "5 Myth's of RSL's" article. The article was written for a reason, specifically to stop these kinds of questions being constantly raised. As someone who'se read rec.skydiving and now dz.com for quite some time, the debates are simply getting tiring. The debates are always insightful though, and it's good that they come up - I think everyone just wishes a few monthes between rounds. I know both BillVon and BillBooth get off on making people think about issues. Even though they've both posted with some facetiousness, I hope you'll take something out of this... maybe even consider putting an RSL on your rig.I posted this not because I wanted to contribute to the debate, rather I wanted to explain why some very smart people reacted rather harshly to it._AmICQ: 5578907MSN Messenger: andrewdmetcalfe at hotmail dot com AIM: andrewdmetcalfeYahoo IM: ametcalf_1999 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites skybytch 273 #41 April 30, 2002 QuoteIt was exactly this thread that caused BillVon to write the article that's currently on the homepage - you know, the "5 Myth's of RSL's" article. Don't tell bill - but that article is the reason I had the RSL installed on my rig this weekend...pull & flare,lisa[subliminal msg]My website Go Now[/subliminal msg] Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites AggieDave 6 #42 April 30, 2002 Quote{quote]It was exactly this thread that caused BillVon to write the article that's currently on the homepage - you know, the "5 Myth's of RSL's" article. [ /quote]Its great when a moderator can't even get the markup right... j/k Lisa.A human cannonball, I rise above it allUp higher then a trapeze, I can fly Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites skybytch 273 #43 April 30, 2002 QuoteIts great when a moderator can't even get the markup rightDOH! I really need to start previewing my posts.... pull & flare,lisa[subliminal msg]My website Go Now[/subliminal msg] Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Iflyme 0 #44 April 30, 2002 This is fun! For the record, I have one. Opoinion, that is..."There's nothing new under the sun" Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Rdutch 0 #45 May 1, 2002 Bill I wasnt talking about the skydiver forum I was talking about the story at the dropzone.com home page. I have a few discrepancies with it and was just wondering what you thinkHook low Flare late Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Rdutch 0 #46 May 1, 2002 How about the possibility of reserve entanglements from cutting away a high wing loaded canopy I wouldnt want an rsl opening a high speed spinning mal from my velocity. But then again I have never tried it thats why I asked bill booths opinionHook low Flare late Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites billvon 3,076 #47 May 1, 2002 I forgot to add myth #6 when I wrote that - that a cypres is a good replacement for an RSL. They are two different devices that do two different things. If you cut away below 500 feet, there's a good chance your cypres will _not_ fire before it hits its hard deck and shuts down - and that's exactly where you really, really need an RSL.-bill von Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites weid14 0 #48 May 1, 2002 tis true, I know of at least one fatality due to a low cut away and a cypres fire at to low an altitude for reserve inflation. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Prev 1 2 Next Page 2 of 2 Join the conversation You can post now and register later. If you have an account, sign in now to post with your account. Note: Your post will require moderator approval before it will be visible. Reply to this topic... × Pasted as rich text. Paste as plain text instead Only 75 emoji are allowed. × Your link has been automatically embedded. Display as a link instead × Your previous content has been restored. Clear editor × You cannot paste images directly. Upload or insert images from URL. 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wildblue 7 #36 April 29, 2002 QuoteLinux is clearly a superior operating system to anything Microsoft has to offer.Are you going for a debate here fred? No one will argue that!Now, we could get the vi vs. emacs thing going again....... I forget how the rest of it goes, but you're mother's a whore!! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
SkydiveMonkey 0 #37 April 29, 2002 Quote Linux is clearly a superior operating system to anything Microsoft has to offer Agreed. But, as everyone uses MS ...... boobies - the cause of, and solution to, all of lifes problems Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
AggieDave 6 #38 April 29, 2002 vi, only vi, it responds so beautifully to just a few well placed key stroke commands, none of those stupid menus! A human cannonball, I rise above it allUp higher then a trapeze, I can fly Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
rogue108 0 #39 April 30, 2002 Actually the new Mac OS is pretty good and very stable...yet I don't use it Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
AndyMan 7 #40 April 30, 2002 Carrie, I'm going to step into this debate, only gingerly.This topic comes up periodically on the Gear and Rigging Forum, and the Safety and Training forum. Every time it comes up, the same arguments get rehashed over and over again. The only difference is the people involved.The debates usually involve someone sort of like yourself, who's got their opinion, and think it's a good opinion. They usually get this opinion from someone they respect. Maybe this other person is someone they look up to, maybe it's even an instructor, or even a head instructor or S&TA.The great thing about the internet and DZ.COM is that you can bypass self appointed experts and go straight to the source. You CAN ask Bill Booth what he thinks about RSL's. Email would probably be a good way to do this. You could also ask Bill Von Nowak, or Allan Binebose, or you could email John Leblanc, Brian Germaine, or any other respected industry profesional. You could ask people who ARE experts, and not the self appointed kind. Or you could go reading... You could use the search function in the gear and rigging forum.There you'd see the opinions of pretty much everyone I just mentioned, except for the notable exception of John Leblanc. For some reason he won't come here. You could read the opinions of people who are respected exactly for their opinions and knowledge.One of the reasons this thread has been rather negative and even insulting is that the issue came up real recently, and a great long thread insued. It seemed like it would never die.It was exactly this thread that caused BillVon to write the article that's currently on the homepage - you know, the "5 Myth's of RSL's" article. The article was written for a reason, specifically to stop these kinds of questions being constantly raised. As someone who'se read rec.skydiving and now dz.com for quite some time, the debates are simply getting tiring. The debates are always insightful though, and it's good that they come up - I think everyone just wishes a few monthes between rounds. I know both BillVon and BillBooth get off on making people think about issues. Even though they've both posted with some facetiousness, I hope you'll take something out of this... maybe even consider putting an RSL on your rig.I posted this not because I wanted to contribute to the debate, rather I wanted to explain why some very smart people reacted rather harshly to it._AmICQ: 5578907MSN Messenger: andrewdmetcalfe at hotmail dot com AIM: andrewdmetcalfeYahoo IM: ametcalf_1999 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
skybytch 273 #41 April 30, 2002 QuoteIt was exactly this thread that caused BillVon to write the article that's currently on the homepage - you know, the "5 Myth's of RSL's" article. Don't tell bill - but that article is the reason I had the RSL installed on my rig this weekend...pull & flare,lisa[subliminal msg]My website Go Now[/subliminal msg] Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
AggieDave 6 #42 April 30, 2002 Quote{quote]It was exactly this thread that caused BillVon to write the article that's currently on the homepage - you know, the "5 Myth's of RSL's" article. [ /quote]Its great when a moderator can't even get the markup right... j/k Lisa.A human cannonball, I rise above it allUp higher then a trapeze, I can fly Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
skybytch 273 #43 April 30, 2002 QuoteIts great when a moderator can't even get the markup rightDOH! I really need to start previewing my posts.... pull & flare,lisa[subliminal msg]My website Go Now[/subliminal msg] Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Iflyme 0 #44 April 30, 2002 This is fun! For the record, I have one. Opoinion, that is..."There's nothing new under the sun" Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Rdutch 0 #45 May 1, 2002 Bill I wasnt talking about the skydiver forum I was talking about the story at the dropzone.com home page. I have a few discrepancies with it and was just wondering what you thinkHook low Flare late Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Rdutch 0 #46 May 1, 2002 How about the possibility of reserve entanglements from cutting away a high wing loaded canopy I wouldnt want an rsl opening a high speed spinning mal from my velocity. But then again I have never tried it thats why I asked bill booths opinionHook low Flare late Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
billvon 3,076 #47 May 1, 2002 I forgot to add myth #6 when I wrote that - that a cypres is a good replacement for an RSL. They are two different devices that do two different things. If you cut away below 500 feet, there's a good chance your cypres will _not_ fire before it hits its hard deck and shuts down - and that's exactly where you really, really need an RSL.-bill von Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
weid14 0 #48 May 1, 2002 tis true, I know of at least one fatality due to a low cut away and a cypres fire at to low an altitude for reserve inflation. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
