Viking 0 #1 March 15, 2002 http://www.netsnapshot.com/users/2197/images/PJApKMCoBQIAAEyEZng_2197_40.jpghttp://www.netsnapshot.com/users/2197/images/PJApX8CoBQIAAEyFcec_2197_41.jpgClay did you stow away? I swear you must have footprints on the back of your helmet - chicagoskydiver Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
n2skdvn 0 #2 March 15, 2002 talk about premature deploymentif ya can't dodge it RAMM it!!!!!! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
NathanL100 0 #3 March 15, 2002 Are those real?I mean seriously what are the chances of having a camera and taking a picture of that, it would happen too fast.Blue Ones,NathanA# 39553 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Viking 0 #4 March 15, 2002 it takes a just a little bit of space for those aim-9's to get up to speed, and i think they have a camera on all the launchsI swear you must have footprints on the back of your helmet - chicagoskydiver Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
freefallfreak 0 #5 March 15, 2002 Dateline - 26 Oct. 1966 - Name of Ship: USS Oriskany CVS-34. Location: South China Sea, Gulf of Tonkin, Yankee Station. Lives lost: 44. This is exactly why a warplane is not allowed to land after a combat sortie with live ordinance. I know first hand. See attachment. This is the cover of Life Magazine and not something that was made up. TripleF "If you have something vital and it's sincere, you can communicate." Butch Trucks Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
freefallfreak 0 #6 March 15, 2002 Whoops..the attachment didn't take...I'll try againTripleF"If you have something vital and it's sincere, you can communicate." Butch Trucks Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Viking 0 #7 March 15, 2002 holy hell is that a 500lb bomb there rolling away??I swear you must have footprints on the back of your helmet - chicagoskydiver Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
freefallfreak 0 #8 March 15, 2002 Viking,No, that is a 1000 lb bomb..and I witnessed and have newspapers to this day, describing 19 year old sailors singlehandedly rolling 500 and 1000 lb bombs, Zuni rockets, Sidewinder missiles, and melted A-4 Skyhawks and UH-1 choppers over the side. I was in the middle of the blood, the tears, the screams of the wounded and the silence of the dead. I lost 44 good people from 7:15 a.m that morning to 3:20 p.m. that afternoon. I've been to the Wall in D.C. and traced the names of the dead. In spite of the fact that there are cameras on the flight deck, and there are, no US warbird is allowed to land, with live ordinance, on the moving deck of a Carrier at sea. Want more? I can send you copies of the original newspaper clippings from the front page of the Atlanta Journal/Constitution that tells the story. 44 brave MEN died that day, protecting the right of every American Citizen to vocalize their opinions, such as the some of the "brave souls" in BillVon's thread about fear and the War on Terrorism. These were people I lived with, sleep beside, shared food with, and worked with every day for more days than I want to remember. Unfortunately, I can't forget. Sometimes I close my eyes at night and see the faces of these warriors. And I will not participate in a thread that denegrates the memory of these men. TripleF "If you have something vital and it's sincere, you can communicate." Butch Trucks Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
skymedic 0 #9 March 15, 2002 Hey triple F, My Captain from the first Fire dept. gig was on that ship as a firefighter at the time....he was just a young pup...he has some nasty burn scars from that...I wonder if you know the guy...hmmmmarcBSBD Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Viking 0 #10 March 15, 2002 damn tripleF First rounds on me when/if we meet. I respect anyone who served (s) in the military. I swear you must have footprints on the back of your helmet - chicagoskydiver Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
freefallfreak 0 #11 March 15, 2002 skymedic,What's his name? There were about 5000 people, counting our airwing, there. So I may, and then I may not...but it never hurts to ask...and it may reunite a couple of shipmates. TripleF"If you have something vital and it's sincere, you can communicate." Butch Trucks Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
freefallfreak 0 #12 March 15, 2002 Viking,I got a distinct feeling that we are gonna' get drunk at some point in time...lol. Here is another shot, taken from one of the ships that was on the scene at the time of the fire. Pardon the smallness of the pic. It was taken from a long way away.TripleF "If you have something vital and it's sincere, you can communicate." Butch Trucks Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Scratch 0 #13 March 15, 2002 I have seen video of that incident. It is very disturbing.Holy Crap and you were there.My condolences, I would not wish that on anybody. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Shark 0 #14 March 15, 2002 Triple F,Was McCain on the Oriskany? Or was he the one who "started" the "Forrestfire?"BTW, Viking's pic looked like the F18 took an OK-3 wire. Does it count?? And is that the FIRST time you've seen an AIM9 bolter? Shark Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
TEB6363 0 #15 March 15, 2002 We were shown the movie of the USS Forestall. That was one of the training demos about using proper extinguishing equipment. Damn, there is no where to go for "more help" on a boat.:::OK, Canopy is Open, No Traffic Around, .. Why are these "Extra" Lines Draping Down??, Damn! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
wildblue 7 #16 March 15, 2002 TripleF - all I can do is say "thanks man"Well, that, and maybe buy you a beer sometime.Never argue with stupid people.They just drag you down 2 their level & beat you with experience Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Viking 0 #17 March 15, 2002 wow dude thats very disturbing. Would you send those articles. I don't want to ask you questions you might not want to answer.I swear you must have footprints on the back of your helmet - chicagoskydiver Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
freefallfreak 0 #18 March 15, 2002 Shark,Yeah, McCain was on the "O" boat. And yeah, he "started" the Forrestal fire, altho accidentally. He was sitting in his A-4 when a Zuni misfired from another bird that was sitting across the flight deck. It hit his belly tank and he bailed. He came on board after the Oriskany's and Forrestal's fire and was shot down while dropping ordinance over Hanoi. We never saw him after that, but yes, it was a sortie from the Oriskany he was flying when he got hit. No, it isn't the first time I've seen a bolter, but it is the first time I've seen an AIM bolter. The AIM wasn't in use when I was in. That pic didn't look like it was a misfire but more like a bolter. Since the Oriskany fire, I've been under the impression that no bird, under any circumstances, was to recover with live ordinance. Am I wrong in this? I've carried that belief for 30 years. BTW,I couldn't tell whether that was a 2 or a 3 wire trap.TripleF "If you have something vital and it's sincere, you can communicate." Butch Trucks Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
skymedic 0 #19 March 15, 2002 Hey Freak...his name was Charley Baxa....or something like that....i havn'e seen him in like 8 yrsmarcBSBD Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
freeflir29 0 #20 March 15, 2002 FFF....As far as I know they land with them on because of the cost associated with missles these days. An AMRAAM is about 1 million dollars. Plus...they go a hell of a long way. Kinda hard to just fire it off at nothing...I did have a live 2.75 rocket fall out of a launcher on a MH-60 (US Army Helo...lotsa guns on it). I was controlling him onto a dumpster about 150 Yds away. He was offset about 50 yds and the rocket landed about 60 yds from where I was standing. Luckily it stayed pointed down range. I kept picturing that thing lighting off ...it never did...."I only have a C license, so I don't know shit..right?"-Clay Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
PalmettoTiger 1 #21 March 15, 2002 Can anyone translate TripleF and Shark for me? I'm fascinated by flying in general and naval aviation especially, but some of this is over my head. I know what the 3 wire is, but I can't tell from that picture which one the pilot got. And a bolter is when a naval aviator misses all 4 arrestor cables and has to go around, right? Why would an AIM-9 discharging on a bolter not be called a misfire?As a side note, I worked for McCain's presidential campaign in SC from Sept. 99 to Feb of 2000. I have the utmost respect for him. He's one of the few politicians who seems willing to tell it like it is (well, as much as a US Senator can) and actually lead the fight on big issues. Even beyond his style, I agree with a lot of his politics. And on top of that, even though he still has scars and impairments from his years as a POW (you'll never see him raise his arms above his shoulders; they were broken/dislocated and never allowed to properly heal) he has an amazing perspective on it - he characterized his shootdown as "valiantly intercepting a surface-to-air-missle with my aircraft." One of the very few role models left in American politics.PTigerI'm stepping through the doorAnd I'm floating in a most peculiar way Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
freeflir29 0 #22 March 15, 2002 QuoteWhy would an AIM-9 discharging on a bolter not be called a misfire?Doesn't appear that it fired....it just plain fell off. The armament guys didn't do their job properly. I watched an entire rack of Hellfire missles fall off an AH-64 Apache once because of static electricity. Also saw Aim 9 fire off into a revetment due to the same thing. Shit happens all the time....it usually doesn't make the news. "I only have a C license, so I don't know shit..right?"-Clay Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
PalmettoTiger 1 #23 March 15, 2002 I defer to your expertise Clay but I'm still bewildered... if it just fell off, why is it flying across the deck puffing exhaust and not just lying on the deck?PTigerI'm stepping through the doorAnd I'm floating in a most peculiar way Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
freeflir29 0 #24 March 15, 2002 Quoteand not just lying on the deck?Cause that F-18 caught the wire doing about 160+ Knots...."I only have a C license, so I don't know shit..right?"-Clay Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
PalmettoTiger 1 #25 March 15, 2002 ahaaaha, that makes sense now. PTigerI'm stepping through the doorAnd I'm floating in a most peculiar way Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
