Kris 0 #26 December 28, 2001 Quote Personally, I don't really consider a line twist as a mal On a student canopy, usually not. On an elliptical canopy with a decent wing-loading you're probably going to have to chop it. That was the cause behind my second reserve-ride. It was packing-induced though as I didn't leave enough line between the last stow & the risers and I knew it wasn't going to be fun when I felt the bag bump something as it came off my back during the deployment.It probably danced around in my burble for a split-second and caused the bag to spin a couple of times. Quote MY DZ teaches line twists as a mal. Same thing with a line over, stuck slider, collapsed end cells,, etc.... All correctable for the most part but all with the potential to lead to a cutaway. Great for your DZ! I teach the exact same thing at mine as it is part of our first-jump student syllabus. If it doesn't fit the Rule of Fours, the Three S's or your comfort level in its ability to land you safely get rid of it if one set of the Standard Opening Procedures doesn't fix it.Kris Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
landmissle 2 #27 December 28, 2001 I had my first cut away and reserve ride on jump # 87 in Aug of this year. It was a little differnet than most that I've seen posted.Had a good canopy over my head and was over the landing area at 1800'. I was in deep brakes as I waited for my partners who where below me and entering the pattern at about 1000' to clear past me. Once they did, I performed a hard right turn to spiral on down. Unfortunately I came down MUCH faster than I anticipated. Because I was in deep brakes when I initiated the turn, the canopy performed a "helicopter". That is the right side collapsed as the left side drove forwards. The whole thing spiraled up like a twisted dish rag and I essentially entered free-fall again. My initial reaction was to spread the risers and kick out of it but, by time my hands where even close to the risers my body was horizontal to the ground and I was spinning really really fast. Cut away, reached for silver, and opened up in line twists on the reserve that thankfully cleared themselves and I was sitting at 900' now. Rest of the ride was uneventfull though.Gotta' agree with Kris above. A highly loaded eliptical with twist can easily lead to chop chop! I almost cut away my Cobalt this weekend. It opened with line twist, two little ones, no big deal. Except the canopy began to do a hard dive and didn't initially respond to my kicks. Diffently watched the alti and while trying to determine if my lil' girl was going to spool up on me. She played nice but, it was a good reminder that things can go real bad real fast.Feet up, heads down, blue skies,Landmissle (WWOD?*)* What Would Omar Do? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
skydiver51 0 #28 December 28, 2001 AggiedaveSo are paracomanders but have your ever seen them swoop a pond.I could have swooped a pond when I jumped them back in 1972 with some of the winds we jumped in, had I been over a pond instead of trees. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
cyberskydive 0 #29 December 28, 2001 I had a stupid mal in nov 96, pilot chute wraps around the front of the canopy and around the A-B linegroups on the right side, kinda squeeeeezing them in making the canopy turn to the right. I opened, looked quickly, tried to turn back toward the dz to the left (long), thing didnt turn-lol, looked up, saw that crap, chop, red raven. Ws way off the dz, landed in a small field on the other side of some high tension power lines, didnt look like the proper time to see how good I could land a "other than normal" flying canopy-lolhttp://www.cyberskydive.com/ Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites skydiventom 0 #30 December 28, 2001 I had my FIRST earlier this summer. My canopy opened with line twists from the risers to the slider. It's amazing how fast it can get to spinn'n and diving. I did the only right thing since it was my FIRST. I bought the rigger exactly what he wanted, gave a bunch'a beer to my packer and beer that night for the good folks at the DZ.Live Well, Laugh Often, Love Much Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites scottbre 0 #31 December 28, 2001 Well everyone is always saying we should ask questions if something is unclear. I have learned a lot of the skydiving jargon from hearing people discussing it and pulling the meaning out of context. (Figured out was tracking was this way) But I have yet to divine the specific meaning of a line over. Got a couple ideas, but don't really know. Someone want to help me out on this one?"Can't keep my mind from the circling sky. Tongue-tied & twisted just an earth-bound misfit, I." Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites pyke 0 #32 December 28, 2001 # of jumps - 159# of chops - 1 = jump# 75, text book line over (bow tie), uneventful landing under a Raven 1# of "bad" openings - 12 ...did the S/L progression....most line twists ever had.......about 10-12...but, I had AGES to get it clear...and miles of landing room!# of broken bones - 1. It would have to be my bloody femur too - wouldn't it!!?? Oh well.....jump # 160 will be very sweet!!Kahurangi e Mahearangi,Pyke The Kiwi Lesbian!!!USPA C- 31879 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites AggieDave 6 #33 December 28, 2001 Landmissle--Just about the same thing happened to me a few jumps ago, I was a little too agressive with some spiralling turns (at like 4k) and collapsed the canopy on it's self. Pulled the rear risers *hard* and out and it spun out, but it got my hear rate up a bit.AggieDave '02Too much of anything is bad, Too much burbon is just right.--MarkTwain Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites riggerrob 643 #34 December 28, 2001 Line overs usually occurr when a steering line wanders over the top of the canopy during packing or opening. Line overs used to be pretty common on BASE canopies before Basic Research invented the Tail Gate.Line overs on skydiving canopies are usually caused by sloppy packing. People sometimes induce a line over as they wrap the tail around the front and inadvertently pull steering lines towards the front of the canopy.I have seen several people cutaway from line overs, and have "cured" one line over by stalling the canopy, then letting the toggles up fast. The resultant slack in the lines allowed the line over to clear. Slack in the lines is also great for curing tension knots in Strong 425 canopies. Wait a minute! Who in their right minds still jumps Strong 425s? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites riggerrob 643 #35 December 28, 2001 17 reserve rides in 3700 jumps.Most of those reserve rides were on Strong 425 reserves when i worked in SoCal.I had a couple of solo mals when the stabilizers knotted together, and I cutaway from one solo bag lock.Cutaway from a tandem streamer.Cutaway from a few tandem tension knots before I learned how to clear them.Landed a few tandems with broken lines, but cutaway from most of them.Learned that any hole in the top skin is reason for cutting away, but that most holes in the bottom skin can be landed. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites AggieDave 6 #36 December 28, 2001 QuoteLanded a few tandems with broken lines, but cutaway from most of them.I have a friend who had to cut away his tandem main because he blew the slinks up. I know, sounds nutz, but apparently the guy he was jumping was Fat Bastard or really close.As for me I have about 90 jumps and haven't cut away yet (knock on wood). I've had a couple that I almost cutaway, one where after trying to clear it I started to reach for the handles and then it cleared on its own. I think I scared it open, like telling a kid he's going to get a spanking...AggieDave '02Too much of anything is bad, Too much burbon is just right.--MarkTwain Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites ramon 0 #37 December 28, 2001 in a Space 150 (loaded 1.5), packed by someone I did not know. dytter was flatlining at 2500 on strange DZ while I was swinging around on my back.so I chopped, although I might have been able to get out of it, but why risk it Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Craig 0 #38 December 29, 2001 I had a pilot chute in tow on the first jump on my new Mirage. Noticed the closing loop was pretty tight when I packed it up but thought it would be OK. Luckily I planned to open high on the first jump since the hackey was in a slightly different location compared to my old rig. At 4,500 I reach for the hackey and my hand slips of the handle, damn I thought, that spandex is tight! Reached in again for a good pull and waited 1..2...3...okay, somthing should be happening, look over shoulder and see the PC fully inflated what looked to be at full extenstion. Well, the time has finally come....located my handles and started reaching for them and I felt the main D-bag lift off my back. Under a good main about 3,200 feet. Lets just say that that was reason for whooping and yelling under canopy. The whold event actually made me feel better about when the time finally does come to go to the reserve since I was aware and doing what I needed to in that situation, only thing is it just decided to fix itself.Craig Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Viking 0 #39 December 29, 2001 i bet that beer tasted damn good ay craig I swear you must have footprints on the back of your helmet - chicagoskydiver Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites SkymonkeyONE 4 #40 December 30, 2001 I have only had two reserve rides in over 2800 jumps. One was a mis-rigged main (which I attached to the risers wrong) which had an uncontrollable spin. Round reserve (Phantom 22)landed me in the biggest briar patch in North Carolina. I think I had about 450 jumps then (late '80s).Other was a CRW wrap with Ray Porterfield in which we both chopped at 900 feet. Feel free to do a search and read more details about that swift maneuver. Ray still had a round reserve and nearly landed on a horse. All of our spare parts landed within 50 feet of Ray. That one was under a Rascal 202 reserve (I think that one was in 1990). No rides since then and I pack VERY quickly, though the same every time. ChuckMy webpage HERE Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites swatt 0 #41 December 30, 2001 On my 13th jump on student status I dislocated my shoulder in freefall - don't know how. I tried going for my ripcord and couldn't move my right arm so I went for it with my left hand and started barrel rolling... - Smart huh. My Cyprus fired @ 700 feet and I got my breaks down just before hitting the ground. I'm not sure if this counts as a malfunction since I stupidly forgot to pull my reserve - A lesson I won't soon forget :) Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites DickMcMahon 0 #42 December 30, 2001 Swatt:You are SO LUCKY! ... Either that or God lovesyou an awful lot.http://www.dickmcmahon.com Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Pammi 0 #43 December 30, 2001 QuoteI, myself, have had a half dozen openings with line twists, but thats because I can't learn to fall stable (er, not spin). I don't consider them mal's. They're more like "D'Oh!'s".ROFL @ Fred! Exactly :) I don't think I *didn't* have line twists until like my 25th jump :) Good gawd I suck(ed)! LOL!Closing pin jewelry Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Pammi 0 #44 December 30, 2001 QuoteSwatt:You are SO LUCKY! ... Either that or God lovesyou an awful lot.*gulp* Ditto!Closing pin jewelry Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites BadDog 0 #45 December 31, 2001 Had a bag come out as I exited the plane at 10,000 forming a horseshoe mal. I figured it out right away and threw out the PC. The only problem I had then was I was open at 9,500 in December in Ohio. Pretty darn cold up there. It was a long ride down, but uneventful. The next mal was really bad line twist with knots. Had to chop that one. Again, no real problem. Even recovered all of the pieces parts.CorporateLawyerDave aka BadDog Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites freeflyguy 0 #46 December 31, 2001 One Bag lock a couple hundred jumps ago this summer. I was throwing out a bit high anyway, we were a ways from the dz. I threw it out, thought, "that doesn't feel right" I looked up to a pretty green pilot chute, and spinning d bag. It didn't take any more time than that to know I needed a reserve.I scared some horses as I landed in their pasture. But not a bad ride, and I was able to watch my main and freebag land in the trees. So it was easy enough to get back.I think the cause of the baglock was I had some long rubber bands, and I trippled stowed one of the locking stows. I don't do that anymore. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites AggieDave 6 #47 December 31, 2001 Quotetrippled stowed one of the locking stowsDude...."so i like tied my lines around my d-bag..."hehe, sorry, that just sort of sounded funny when i read it, maybe i should just go to bed, not much sleep this weekend and long days at work. (did get a couple jumps)AggieDave '02Too much of anything is bad, Too much burbon is just right.--MarkTwain Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites FallinWoman 1 #48 December 31, 2001 time for smaller rubber bands?"by stitches, cloth, and cord,...a god of the sky for those immortal moments."-Lindbergh Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites freeflyguy 0 #49 December 31, 2001 Ya, smaller rubber bands. My bag is set up now so I don't even have to double stow. Though that "likely" wouldn't cause a problem.j Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites MarkM 0 #50 December 31, 2001 Don't know if I'd call it a mal, but on my 4th or 5th SL jump I ended up upside down at 3500 feet with my legs tangled up in the lines of my deploying main.The bruising only lasted a month or so and the scar went away after a year. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Prev 1 2 3 Next Page 2 of 3 Join the conversation You can post now and register later. If you have an account, sign in now to post with your account. Note: Your post will require moderator approval before it will be visible. Reply to this topic... × Pasted as rich text. Paste as plain text instead Only 75 emoji are allowed. × Your link has been automatically embedded. Display as a link instead × Your previous content has been restored. Clear editor × You cannot paste images directly. Upload or insert images from URL. 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skydiventom 0 #30 December 28, 2001 I had my FIRST earlier this summer. My canopy opened with line twists from the risers to the slider. It's amazing how fast it can get to spinn'n and diving. I did the only right thing since it was my FIRST. I bought the rigger exactly what he wanted, gave a bunch'a beer to my packer and beer that night for the good folks at the DZ.Live Well, Laugh Often, Love Much Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
scottbre 0 #31 December 28, 2001 Well everyone is always saying we should ask questions if something is unclear. I have learned a lot of the skydiving jargon from hearing people discussing it and pulling the meaning out of context. (Figured out was tracking was this way) But I have yet to divine the specific meaning of a line over. Got a couple ideas, but don't really know. Someone want to help me out on this one?"Can't keep my mind from the circling sky. Tongue-tied & twisted just an earth-bound misfit, I." Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
pyke 0 #32 December 28, 2001 # of jumps - 159# of chops - 1 = jump# 75, text book line over (bow tie), uneventful landing under a Raven 1# of "bad" openings - 12 ...did the S/L progression....most line twists ever had.......about 10-12...but, I had AGES to get it clear...and miles of landing room!# of broken bones - 1. It would have to be my bloody femur too - wouldn't it!!?? Oh well.....jump # 160 will be very sweet!!Kahurangi e Mahearangi,Pyke The Kiwi Lesbian!!!USPA C- 31879 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
AggieDave 6 #33 December 28, 2001 Landmissle--Just about the same thing happened to me a few jumps ago, I was a little too agressive with some spiralling turns (at like 4k) and collapsed the canopy on it's self. Pulled the rear risers *hard* and out and it spun out, but it got my hear rate up a bit.AggieDave '02Too much of anything is bad, Too much burbon is just right.--MarkTwain Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
riggerrob 643 #34 December 28, 2001 Line overs usually occurr when a steering line wanders over the top of the canopy during packing or opening. Line overs used to be pretty common on BASE canopies before Basic Research invented the Tail Gate.Line overs on skydiving canopies are usually caused by sloppy packing. People sometimes induce a line over as they wrap the tail around the front and inadvertently pull steering lines towards the front of the canopy.I have seen several people cutaway from line overs, and have "cured" one line over by stalling the canopy, then letting the toggles up fast. The resultant slack in the lines allowed the line over to clear. Slack in the lines is also great for curing tension knots in Strong 425 canopies. Wait a minute! Who in their right minds still jumps Strong 425s? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
riggerrob 643 #35 December 28, 2001 17 reserve rides in 3700 jumps.Most of those reserve rides were on Strong 425 reserves when i worked in SoCal.I had a couple of solo mals when the stabilizers knotted together, and I cutaway from one solo bag lock.Cutaway from a tandem streamer.Cutaway from a few tandem tension knots before I learned how to clear them.Landed a few tandems with broken lines, but cutaway from most of them.Learned that any hole in the top skin is reason for cutting away, but that most holes in the bottom skin can be landed. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
AggieDave 6 #36 December 28, 2001 QuoteLanded a few tandems with broken lines, but cutaway from most of them.I have a friend who had to cut away his tandem main because he blew the slinks up. I know, sounds nutz, but apparently the guy he was jumping was Fat Bastard or really close.As for me I have about 90 jumps and haven't cut away yet (knock on wood). I've had a couple that I almost cutaway, one where after trying to clear it I started to reach for the handles and then it cleared on its own. I think I scared it open, like telling a kid he's going to get a spanking...AggieDave '02Too much of anything is bad, Too much burbon is just right.--MarkTwain Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ramon 0 #37 December 28, 2001 in a Space 150 (loaded 1.5), packed by someone I did not know. dytter was flatlining at 2500 on strange DZ while I was swinging around on my back.so I chopped, although I might have been able to get out of it, but why risk it Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Craig 0 #38 December 29, 2001 I had a pilot chute in tow on the first jump on my new Mirage. Noticed the closing loop was pretty tight when I packed it up but thought it would be OK. Luckily I planned to open high on the first jump since the hackey was in a slightly different location compared to my old rig. At 4,500 I reach for the hackey and my hand slips of the handle, damn I thought, that spandex is tight! Reached in again for a good pull and waited 1..2...3...okay, somthing should be happening, look over shoulder and see the PC fully inflated what looked to be at full extenstion. Well, the time has finally come....located my handles and started reaching for them and I felt the main D-bag lift off my back. Under a good main about 3,200 feet. Lets just say that that was reason for whooping and yelling under canopy. The whold event actually made me feel better about when the time finally does come to go to the reserve since I was aware and doing what I needed to in that situation, only thing is it just decided to fix itself.Craig Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Viking 0 #39 December 29, 2001 i bet that beer tasted damn good ay craig I swear you must have footprints on the back of your helmet - chicagoskydiver Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
SkymonkeyONE 4 #40 December 30, 2001 I have only had two reserve rides in over 2800 jumps. One was a mis-rigged main (which I attached to the risers wrong) which had an uncontrollable spin. Round reserve (Phantom 22)landed me in the biggest briar patch in North Carolina. I think I had about 450 jumps then (late '80s).Other was a CRW wrap with Ray Porterfield in which we both chopped at 900 feet. Feel free to do a search and read more details about that swift maneuver. Ray still had a round reserve and nearly landed on a horse. All of our spare parts landed within 50 feet of Ray. That one was under a Rascal 202 reserve (I think that one was in 1990). No rides since then and I pack VERY quickly, though the same every time. ChuckMy webpage HERE Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
swatt 0 #41 December 30, 2001 On my 13th jump on student status I dislocated my shoulder in freefall - don't know how. I tried going for my ripcord and couldn't move my right arm so I went for it with my left hand and started barrel rolling... - Smart huh. My Cyprus fired @ 700 feet and I got my breaks down just before hitting the ground. I'm not sure if this counts as a malfunction since I stupidly forgot to pull my reserve - A lesson I won't soon forget :) Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
DickMcMahon 0 #42 December 30, 2001 Swatt:You are SO LUCKY! ... Either that or God lovesyou an awful lot.http://www.dickmcmahon.com Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Pammi 0 #43 December 30, 2001 QuoteI, myself, have had a half dozen openings with line twists, but thats because I can't learn to fall stable (er, not spin). I don't consider them mal's. They're more like "D'Oh!'s".ROFL @ Fred! Exactly :) I don't think I *didn't* have line twists until like my 25th jump :) Good gawd I suck(ed)! LOL!Closing pin jewelry Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Pammi 0 #44 December 30, 2001 QuoteSwatt:You are SO LUCKY! ... Either that or God lovesyou an awful lot.*gulp* Ditto!Closing pin jewelry Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
BadDog 0 #45 December 31, 2001 Had a bag come out as I exited the plane at 10,000 forming a horseshoe mal. I figured it out right away and threw out the PC. The only problem I had then was I was open at 9,500 in December in Ohio. Pretty darn cold up there. It was a long ride down, but uneventful. The next mal was really bad line twist with knots. Had to chop that one. Again, no real problem. Even recovered all of the pieces parts.CorporateLawyerDave aka BadDog Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
freeflyguy 0 #46 December 31, 2001 One Bag lock a couple hundred jumps ago this summer. I was throwing out a bit high anyway, we were a ways from the dz. I threw it out, thought, "that doesn't feel right" I looked up to a pretty green pilot chute, and spinning d bag. It didn't take any more time than that to know I needed a reserve.I scared some horses as I landed in their pasture. But not a bad ride, and I was able to watch my main and freebag land in the trees. So it was easy enough to get back.I think the cause of the baglock was I had some long rubber bands, and I trippled stowed one of the locking stows. I don't do that anymore. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
AggieDave 6 #47 December 31, 2001 Quotetrippled stowed one of the locking stowsDude...."so i like tied my lines around my d-bag..."hehe, sorry, that just sort of sounded funny when i read it, maybe i should just go to bed, not much sleep this weekend and long days at work. (did get a couple jumps)AggieDave '02Too much of anything is bad, Too much burbon is just right.--MarkTwain Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
FallinWoman 1 #48 December 31, 2001 time for smaller rubber bands?"by stitches, cloth, and cord,...a god of the sky for those immortal moments."-Lindbergh Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
freeflyguy 0 #49 December 31, 2001 Ya, smaller rubber bands. My bag is set up now so I don't even have to double stow. Though that "likely" wouldn't cause a problem.j Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
MarkM 0 #50 December 31, 2001 Don't know if I'd call it a mal, but on my 4th or 5th SL jump I ended up upside down at 3500 feet with my legs tangled up in the lines of my deploying main.The bruising only lasted a month or so and the scar went away after a year. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
