mccordia 74 #1 December 13, 2001 I'm still a relativly new jumper.Been doing it for a year now, and I have 33 jumps (staticline progression), just slowly crawling towards my A-licence.Most jumps I only need to practice one or two things, so most times I just go to 6.000 to 9.000 ft.About a months ago I went to 10.000 ft for the first time (the only time so far) and the last 1000 ft or so I started getting blue lips. I wasn't dizzy, numb or sleepy or anything, and it was verry much below zero (could that perhaps cause blue lips?), but still I'm a bit worried it might have been early signs of hypoxia.I have Astma, and have had severe problems with it the last few months (just recovered from phneumonia)It's no problem for now just going to 9.000 ft, but I'm really wondering what will happen should I go to 12.000 ft.I'm thinking about just taking a passenger ride up to 12.000 before I ever go there with the intention to jump, just to see what happens, and for now, I can just keep doing small happy jumps from 9.000 and lower, but my question is, are there any people in here who have Astma, and if so...does it give you any trouble when going up high...Jarnowww.3dluvr.com/mccordia/ Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
skyhawk 2 #2 December 13, 2001 talk to your doctor they know what they are talking about wile some ppl on this bored are medical ppl your doctor knows you and your conditions Click Me Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
mccordia 74 #3 December 13, 2001 That's my problem.The doktor doesn't know.I asked, and she simply shrugged..."I have no idea"She could only tell me it could be a problem, but then again..maybe not...ask someone with Astma in the sport..."I'll just take a passenger-ride up and down (strange concept..landing in a plane:) to find out... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
RedBull 0 #4 December 13, 2001 Quoteare there any people in here who have Astma, and if so...does it give you any trouble when going up high...I've had asthma all my life, and I've never had any problem skydiving, whatever the altutude. As far as blue lips go, try to breath slowly and deeply as you reach the higher altitudes.I am amused by the simplicity of this game. Bring me your finest meats and cheeses. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
FallnAngel 0 #5 December 13, 2001 I'm an asthmatic, usually induced by allergic reactions (to just about everything it sometimes seems!), and there are a few things that I do while at the dz to keep everything under control. First off, I never forget to take my inhaler (forgot it once, won't ever foget it again!) Secondly, if I'm not feeling well...breathing problems, or whatever...I just don't jump, I sit it out. If I feel better later, then ok, but if I'm not feeling good on the ground, it's not going to help me any once I'm in the air, ya know?As far as breathing difficulty at the higher altitudes, there have been a few times when I felt like I wasn't getting enough air. I just took steady full breaths though and everything was ok. And those were times that we were going to 15k...I've never had a problem (in 120 jumps so far, at least) with going to 13,500. I think you're idea of taking an observer ride to altitude is a good one, especially if it puts your mind at ease. I also think that you probably shouldn't jump on the days where your chest/lungs/whatever is uncomfortably tight or you're having problems of any sort. You can always jump some other day!Hope that helps a little!Blue skies, light winds,Karen Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
scottbre 0 #6 December 13, 2001 Maybe you need to prebreath pure oxygen for an hour or so before each jump. "Can't keep my mind from the circling sky. Tongue-tied & twisted just an earth-bound misfit, I." Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Jonno5 0 #7 December 13, 2001 You may be better off going to an FAA doctor,you can get a list of them from any local flight school.Hypoxia affects diiferent people in different ways and at very different altitudes. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
RedBull 0 #8 December 13, 2001 I just remembered that when I went to the emergency room for asthma attacks as a kid, they would inject me with adrenaline. (I clocked by heartrate at 250 bpm after one of these) Maybe natural adrenaline makes skydiving easier for asthmatics than other sports. I have excercise-induced asthma, and as I said above, I've never had a problem.I am amused by the simplicity of this game. Bring me your finest meats and cheeses. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
FallinWoman 1 #9 December 13, 2001 I have asthma and have never had any problems while jumping (knock on wood) One suggestion that an instructor gave me a while back was to carry my inhaler in my jumpsuit in case i have trouble on the plane or on a jump....just a suggestion!Anne"by stitches, cloth, and cord,...a god of the sky for those immortal moments."-Lindbergh Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
mccordia 74 #10 December 13, 2001 Thanx everyone..Carying my inhaler is something I already always do, but taking it along for the plane ride and jump hadn't occered to me...(stupid eh?)I'm also going to try and do more endurence training in the sports I practice (Kung-fu and running) to try and gain more long-capacity (something my trainer suggested).I still hope to overcome it someday, but since I'm past 20 there's not that big a chance that I will 'grow over it'All I can do is try and do as much active sports as possible..It might sound like i'm neurotic or something, but my Astma can sometimes be really restrictive...next to a lot of allergies to animals (being an animal lover..:) and dust/flowers/grass I have a lot of problems after just running or something intensive..I've spent quite some time hospitalized, and had quite a few astma-attacks that had my worried about chocking (spelled correctly?)The last two or three years have been a bit better, but still every once in a while it resurfaces and causes a lot of trouble..It's also the reason I haven't been able to jump for the last 2 months....next week I'm finaly gonna give it a try again...:)If I'm not happy with the amount of air I'm getting I will surely 'sit it out' cause everything beats waking up underneath a reserve with a fired cypress/fxc (hopefully:)For now I'll stick to 'low' jumps, but around March/April (when I hope to have my A licence:) I'm going to try an observer-ride to 12.000 ft, and after that, hopefully keep jumping from that altitude :)Thanx for all the advice..Jarno Cordia (Netherlands)http://www.3dluvr.com/mccordia/ Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
wingnut 0 #11 December 13, 2001 jarno,maybe a visit to a specialist might be warnented if you can't figure it out... as i don't know anything about the medical comunity in the netherlands i can't really sugest anything... nowif you were in the states i'd recomend getting a chamder ride, something everybody should really do, just so they know how they react to hypoxia........"up my noooossseee"- wingnut, at first euro dz.com boogie Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
riggerrob 643 #12 December 13, 2001 I have exercise induced asthma.Your blue lips were probably caused by the cold. Hypoxia was a secondary factor.Nervousness will get you long before low atmospheric pressure. The key to retaining consciousness above 10,000' is reminding yourself to take slow deep breaths that sweep your full lung capacity. This also helps lower stress, because you cannot think about breathing and fear at the same time.Adrenaline is great at reducing asthma symptoms, so allow yourself to get a little excited before every jump. That minor increase in arousal levels will keep you alert and alive. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Merrick 0 #13 December 13, 2001 Quote"to carry my inhaler in my jumpsuit in case I have trouble on the plane or on a jump...."Just curious if you'd ever actually tried this. I've heard that on a raft dive if you put too much air in the raft it could blow-up as you increase in altitude. By this logic, carrying your inhaler in a jump-plane could be a small grenade in your pocket."Pammi's Hemp/Skydiving Jewelry" Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
PhreeZone 20 #14 December 13, 2001 What you also need to look at is the materals being used.... Rubber rafts are made to pop. Metal inhalers are made lots stronger. We inflate the raft to about 25-27 psi on the ground and it reaches 35-37 at altitude. The rafts pop at a PSI greater then 45 imho at 13000 feet. Whats the initial pressure in an inhaler?I want to touch the sky, I want to fly so high ~ Sonique Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
skycat 0 #15 December 13, 2001 I have exercise and allery asthma, hadn't had an attack in almost 10 years, and this year I've had 3. One after sitting in a smokey bar after getting over phenomena, one after going threw a haunted house with lots of smoke from smoke machines, and only once after skydiving. The skydiving one was very mild and I really didn’t even notice I had one until after I landed and I realized I was having trouble breathing , I'm pretty sure it was brought on by the very cold dry air at altitude compared to the warm humid air on the ground, the other 2 were actually medium to high in severity. I jump at an otter DZ and we end up going to 14-15K all the time and I’ve never had a problem with hypoxia from my asthma. Now the weekend we were at 18K and circling due to a reserve premi someone on the plane in front of us had…..can you say flying high. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Jessica 0 #16 December 13, 2001 QuoteAbout a months ago I went to 10.000 ft for the first time (the only time so far) and the last 1000 ft or so I started getting blue lips. I wasn't dizzy, numb or sleepy or anything, and it was verry much below zero (could that perhaps cause blue lips?), but still I'm a bit worried it might have been early signs of hypoxia.Nah, sounds like you were just cold.I've always had athsma, been hospitalized for it a couple of times, but I've never ever never had a problem while jumping. I wouldn't think athsmatics would be more prone to hypoxia than anyone else....Pet me! I'm harmless and cute! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites skymedic 0 #17 December 13, 2001 QuoteI wouldn't think athsmatics would be more prone to hypoxia than anyone else....depends on how long they have had the disease.at altitude your body will naturaly increase its respiratory rate...but the key is to have full deep breaths....as I have spent multiple weeks in nepal and tibet...I am a pro at hypoxia....MarcRes Firma Mitescere Nescite Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites cyberskydive 0 #18 December 13, 2001 I thought we breathed through osmosis in freefall http://www.15meu.usmc.mil/ Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites skyhawk 2 #19 December 14, 2001 sorta offtopic but can anyone else fell when they are at height the air like it "tastes" different pretty much around 13 000 up i dont have any sideffects i can just tell the air is dif?? Click Me Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites skycat 0 #20 December 14, 2001 Well here in southwest Texas you can definately tell the humidity change. It's cool crisp and dry at altitude and at about 5,000 feet while still in freefall you can feel it get hot and humid. It is one of the oddest feeling.Kelli Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites skyhawk 2 #21 December 14, 2001 its prob either1. im not used to clean air2. ive inhaled to much jet fuel :-) Click Me Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites riggerrob 643 #22 December 14, 2001 In Southern California the air tastes different on jump run because you are above the smog. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites freeflir29 0 #23 December 14, 2001 "the air tastes different"Just my opinion but I think any air you can "taste" is probably polluted....LOL"and I'm not easily impressed...Ooohh look...a blue car!" -Homer Simpson Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Join the conversation You can post now and register later. If you have an account, sign in now to post with your account. Note: Your post will require moderator approval before it will be visible. Reply to this topic... × Pasted as rich text. Paste as plain text instead Only 75 emoji are allowed. × Your link has been automatically embedded. Display as a link instead × Your previous content has been restored. Clear editor × You cannot paste images directly. Upload or insert images from URL. Insert image from URL × Desktop Tablet Phone Submit Reply 0 Go To Topic Listing
Jessica 0 #16 December 13, 2001 QuoteAbout a months ago I went to 10.000 ft for the first time (the only time so far) and the last 1000 ft or so I started getting blue lips. I wasn't dizzy, numb or sleepy or anything, and it was verry much below zero (could that perhaps cause blue lips?), but still I'm a bit worried it might have been early signs of hypoxia.Nah, sounds like you were just cold.I've always had athsma, been hospitalized for it a couple of times, but I've never ever never had a problem while jumping. I wouldn't think athsmatics would be more prone to hypoxia than anyone else....Pet me! I'm harmless and cute! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
skymedic 0 #17 December 13, 2001 QuoteI wouldn't think athsmatics would be more prone to hypoxia than anyone else....depends on how long they have had the disease.at altitude your body will naturaly increase its respiratory rate...but the key is to have full deep breaths....as I have spent multiple weeks in nepal and tibet...I am a pro at hypoxia....MarcRes Firma Mitescere Nescite Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
cyberskydive 0 #18 December 13, 2001 I thought we breathed through osmosis in freefall http://www.15meu.usmc.mil/ Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites skyhawk 2 #19 December 14, 2001 sorta offtopic but can anyone else fell when they are at height the air like it "tastes" different pretty much around 13 000 up i dont have any sideffects i can just tell the air is dif?? Click Me Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites skycat 0 #20 December 14, 2001 Well here in southwest Texas you can definately tell the humidity change. It's cool crisp and dry at altitude and at about 5,000 feet while still in freefall you can feel it get hot and humid. It is one of the oddest feeling.Kelli Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites skyhawk 2 #21 December 14, 2001 its prob either1. im not used to clean air2. ive inhaled to much jet fuel :-) Click Me Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites riggerrob 643 #22 December 14, 2001 In Southern California the air tastes different on jump run because you are above the smog. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites freeflir29 0 #23 December 14, 2001 "the air tastes different"Just my opinion but I think any air you can "taste" is probably polluted....LOL"and I'm not easily impressed...Ooohh look...a blue car!" -Homer Simpson Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Join the conversation You can post now and register later. If you have an account, sign in now to post with your account. Note: Your post will require moderator approval before it will be visible. Reply to this topic... × Pasted as rich text. Paste as plain text instead Only 75 emoji are allowed. × Your link has been automatically embedded. Display as a link instead × Your previous content has been restored. Clear editor × You cannot paste images directly. Upload or insert images from URL. Insert image from URL × Desktop Tablet Phone Submit Reply 0
skyhawk 2 #19 December 14, 2001 sorta offtopic but can anyone else fell when they are at height the air like it "tastes" different pretty much around 13 000 up i dont have any sideffects i can just tell the air is dif?? Click Me Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
skycat 0 #20 December 14, 2001 Well here in southwest Texas you can definately tell the humidity change. It's cool crisp and dry at altitude and at about 5,000 feet while still in freefall you can feel it get hot and humid. It is one of the oddest feeling.Kelli Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
skyhawk 2 #21 December 14, 2001 its prob either1. im not used to clean air2. ive inhaled to much jet fuel :-) Click Me Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
riggerrob 643 #22 December 14, 2001 In Southern California the air tastes different on jump run because you are above the smog. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
freeflir29 0 #23 December 14, 2001 "the air tastes different"Just my opinion but I think any air you can "taste" is probably polluted....LOL"and I'm not easily impressed...Ooohh look...a blue car!" -Homer Simpson Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
