mountainman 0 #1 December 4, 2001 I have been trying to pack this damn canopy and it is impossible (for me). I keep getting to the part where I push the middle into the canopy and then pull the center cell over it to make the caccoon(sp). When I try to roll the back so it won't fall apart, it doens't roll!! Ahhh!!!! I hate new ZP and I hate PRO packing.Ok, I'm done ranting....for now. Back to try it again. -------------http://www.JumpinDuo.com"oh no. Not another one"-Alienangel Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Jimbo 0 #2 December 4, 2001 You've got a Safire right? Doesn't the owners manual actually tell you to Psycho Pack? Do it. It's easy. It's as easy as it gets.-Jim Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
lazerq3 0 #3 December 4, 2001 I dont know how your doing it but this is what I do (I am a lefty so you may have to do this with your other hand ). After I'ver rolled the nose and everything is in its place I hold the lines (up to the slider ) with my left hand bend over and grab the center of the trailing edge with my right, pull it over the canopy and hold it with my thumb of my left hand. Then grab with my right hand and bring one side around. and with that same hand bring the other side around. Now when I 'm ready to roll the tail I still have it ( the canopy lines) in my left hand I turn 45 degrees to the right, grab both edged of the tail and use my foorward leg which will be my left leg to roll the tail against . This keepes pressure on the roll and keeps stability while I'm rolling it . I dont know if that works for everyone but I get a nice tight roll all the way downand its never fallin apart when I set it down. Hope this maybe helps. Coarse you 'll probably want to ask someone with more exp!!!jason Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Pammi 0 #4 December 5, 2001 Bwahaha! Sorry, just had to laugh. It took me 50 damn jumps to be able to finally pack decently. Be careful with psycho pack...worst opening I've ever had...but it also was my third try to get it in the bag too *shrug*Family Photos Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
mountainman 0 #5 December 5, 2001 I tried it again and it is still hard as hell. I actually got it sat down without TOO much "spread". I still need to work on that. This time, when I did my fold, the whole thing went "splat". Oh well....they've only got 2 jumps on them.I'll keep at it and thanks for the help!!-------------http://www.JumpinDuo.com"oh no. Not another one"-Alienangel Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
skybytch 273 #6 December 5, 2001 I had a brand new Safire. Couldn't get it in the bag. Solved my whole problem in one easy step - handed the unpacked rig and a $5 bill to a packer... pull and flare,lisa Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
SkydiveMonkey 0 #7 December 5, 2001 Bet you wish you had F-111 now? How do I fall? PHUKINFAST !!!! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites mountainman 0 #8 December 5, 2001 Wish I had an F111?? HELL NO!!! Those suck!! If we had packers at our DZ, I would give it to them for the first 30 or so times till it ain't so damn slick. Oh well.One question......when I keep laying it out in the cocoon, some of the lines go slack, how do I keep that from happening??Thanks!-------------http://www.JumpinDuo.com"oh no. Not another one"-Alienangel Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites lazerq3 0 #9 December 5, 2001 If my lines go slack I just milk them up into the slider to keep them tight. I've seen this done by many and its even on the malfunction video "breakaway" as a way to reduce tension knots!jason Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites mnischalke 0 #10 December 5, 2001 Keep all your lines taught from the very beginning.I always turn around toward the container as I put the line bundle over my right shoulder and pull up all the droopy lines to the rest of em. I hold the bundle in my left hand and then stroke in the slackers with my right. (Clay, please leave that one alone)As I pack, I also try to keep a hand on top of the lines in the canopy to keep them both tight and in the center of the pack, where they should be. I then grasp the lines tight (double checking for loose lines behind me) above the slider as I pull the tail up and under my grip.Is that what you were looking for?mike Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites billvon 2,998 #11 December 5, 2001 >I have been trying to pack this damn canopy and it is impossible (for me). Ikeep> getting to the part where I push the middle into the canopy and then pull the> center cell over it to make the caccoon(sp). When I try to roll the back so it> won't fall apart, it doens't roll!! Ahhh!!!! I hate new ZP and I hate PRO packing.Don't sweat it. Someday you'll be packing in five minutes without thinking about it while you watch some other poor slob struggle with a pile of fabric. Packing an oversize new ZP canopy into a small bag without much packing experience is just another rite of passage in the sport. It's _supposed_ to be painful. It builds character or something. (At least that's what everyone told me.)-bill von Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites SkydiveMonkey 0 #12 December 5, 2001 Quote Wish I had an F111?? HELL NO!!! Those suck!! Yeah I know - only jumped ZP a couple of times. Need a rig !!!! Anyobdy want to buy me a G3 with a hornet 190? I'll be your friend !! How do I fall? PHUKINFAST !!!! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites SniperCJ 0 #13 December 5, 2001 When I get a new canopy I usually just toss it into the washing maching for a couple of cycles to knock the "new" off of it. Works every time!(IM KIDDING!!! I just KNOW somebody's not gonna read this far and actually TRY this...)CJ Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites GrumpySmurf 0 #14 December 5, 2001 Amen brother, I know your pain - one of the packers taught me to line up the two tape edges, then do the roll with just the thumb and forefinger on the right and left hand really tight,- sorry, I'm trying to visualize this and put it to words. :(Of course, as long as the slider is unstowed and against the stops, the lines are straight, the brakes set and the pilot chute cocked - the bloody thing should open - even if it requires a bit of uncermonious stuffing into the bag :)As one instructor told me - even if a $5 packer can do the job better - there's good karma in doing you own pack job - since it's your neck on the line, you will do everything you can to get it right - the packer may not. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites lazerq3 0 #15 December 5, 2001 Quoteyou will do everything you can to get it right - the packer may not.I'll see your amen and raise you a jallopenoe.........I mean halaluya!!!!!jason Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites harro 0 #16 December 5, 2001 Get romantically involved with a packer mate....only way to go!!Freemind, freesky, freebeer, freefly, freesex Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites lazerq3 0 #17 December 5, 2001 Yeah I can see where this is going............(women)....(or man depending) ....excuse Mr packer.....I'll give ya 5$ for a pack job!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!jason Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Grogs 0 #18 December 5, 2001 Quote(IM KIDDING!!! I just KNOW somebody's not gonna read this far and actually TRY this...)Nah, the lines always get all messed up when I do that. I usually just toss it in a bathtub full of bleach for a couple of hours. The canopy packs like a breeze after that, and the openings are so soft you won't even notice it's there -- mainly because it won't be after all 9 cells blow out at once.Seriously though, the best thing for packing ZP's is to keep at it. After packing brand new ZP tandems around the 360-385 sq ft range all Summer, I don't get too intimidated by most canopies anymore. Some of the meager advice I could give you though is:- Only put 2 S-folds in. Make the first ones at the lines, put your knees on it, and then bring the rest of the canopy up along the top of your knees, fold it in half, and put it on top of the first S-fold. I used to try doing 3 and that made it almost unmanagable.- DON'T kneel on top of the S-folded canopy. It'll blow apart if you put too much weight on it. Just use light pressure from one hand.- Try and put the canopy in the bag from the side and turn it. This tends to make it a little bit off-center, but IMO not enough to cause concern. And once you start getting it in the bag, keep at it.- Also, if you got a few extra bucks, a way to make your life a lot easier is to get a ZP D-bag. It makes the canopy slide in really easily when you load it in the bag sideways. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites lewmonst 0 #19 December 5, 2001 brandon, it's all about your knees...PSYCHO pack it!!! trust me, i just got my new safire in june, took it to a boogie the first day i had my rigger get it all together... after spending about 1/2 hour wiping sweat and tears away, i took it over to the icarus demo tent, and the icarus staff said, "here, i'll show you how to psycho pack it..." i paid for packers the rest of that day, but with 4 jumps on it a couple weeks later, i printed the photo description of psycho-packing from icarus's website, and packed it in my living room... you will be amazed how much easier it is to get in the bag. (it may not be pretty, but it works)and 100 jumps later, nothing more than an occasional (less than 1 in 10pack jobs) line twist, i have reliable openings, and can pack the whole thing in about 6 or 7 minutes... i would NOT recommend psycho packing for everyone though. i've psycho packed a couple other canopies and heard of slams to 1000 ft. snivles... But it is recommended for a safire. (and don't roll or push the nose in)tip 2: closing your container, use your bare feet, not your knees...if i get to Richmond before the bandwagon heads to the party saturday night, I'd be happy to show you how to do it......for $5 dollars - JUST KIDDING (i'd like to thank Sean C., Johnny S., Ty, PacMan, Suave, LittleJoe, Rob, BO!, Treeboy, bobo and Ed for helping my packing endevours over the last 4 years)lew Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites mountainman 0 #20 December 5, 2001 Awesome guys!! Thank you so much. I am getting better at some parts of this, but I think I need a demonstration for some of these parts to psycho pack it. All that air in there is just making it all sloppy and the pics I've seen has some wornout canopy that is like 2 in. thick. haha.....Oh well......this weekend will be the education for us. Thanks again!! -------------http://www.JumpinDuo.com"oh no. Not another one"-Alienangel Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Jabeln79 0 #21 December 5, 2001 When i first got my new canopy(Triathalon) and had to learn to propack it i wanted to burn it i was so frusterated.. but i was able to get a hold of the Triathalon packing video i watched it a couple of times and packed it everyday until i got to jump and by the time jumping came i packed it without a problem... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites n2skdvn 0 #22 December 5, 2001 ZP.... like putting a wet cat into a paper bag!!!!!!have chute. will fall. 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mountainman 0 #8 December 5, 2001 Wish I had an F111?? HELL NO!!! Those suck!! If we had packers at our DZ, I would give it to them for the first 30 or so times till it ain't so damn slick. Oh well.One question......when I keep laying it out in the cocoon, some of the lines go slack, how do I keep that from happening??Thanks!-------------http://www.JumpinDuo.com"oh no. Not another one"-Alienangel Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
lazerq3 0 #9 December 5, 2001 If my lines go slack I just milk them up into the slider to keep them tight. I've seen this done by many and its even on the malfunction video "breakaway" as a way to reduce tension knots!jason Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
mnischalke 0 #10 December 5, 2001 Keep all your lines taught from the very beginning.I always turn around toward the container as I put the line bundle over my right shoulder and pull up all the droopy lines to the rest of em. I hold the bundle in my left hand and then stroke in the slackers with my right. (Clay, please leave that one alone)As I pack, I also try to keep a hand on top of the lines in the canopy to keep them both tight and in the center of the pack, where they should be. I then grasp the lines tight (double checking for loose lines behind me) above the slider as I pull the tail up and under my grip.Is that what you were looking for?mike Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
billvon 2,998 #11 December 5, 2001 >I have been trying to pack this damn canopy and it is impossible (for me). Ikeep> getting to the part where I push the middle into the canopy and then pull the> center cell over it to make the caccoon(sp). When I try to roll the back so it> won't fall apart, it doens't roll!! Ahhh!!!! I hate new ZP and I hate PRO packing.Don't sweat it. Someday you'll be packing in five minutes without thinking about it while you watch some other poor slob struggle with a pile of fabric. Packing an oversize new ZP canopy into a small bag without much packing experience is just another rite of passage in the sport. It's _supposed_ to be painful. It builds character or something. (At least that's what everyone told me.)-bill von Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
SkydiveMonkey 0 #12 December 5, 2001 Quote Wish I had an F111?? HELL NO!!! Those suck!! Yeah I know - only jumped ZP a couple of times. Need a rig !!!! Anyobdy want to buy me a G3 with a hornet 190? I'll be your friend !! How do I fall? PHUKINFAST !!!! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites SniperCJ 0 #13 December 5, 2001 When I get a new canopy I usually just toss it into the washing maching for a couple of cycles to knock the "new" off of it. Works every time!(IM KIDDING!!! I just KNOW somebody's not gonna read this far and actually TRY this...)CJ Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites GrumpySmurf 0 #14 December 5, 2001 Amen brother, I know your pain - one of the packers taught me to line up the two tape edges, then do the roll with just the thumb and forefinger on the right and left hand really tight,- sorry, I'm trying to visualize this and put it to words. :(Of course, as long as the slider is unstowed and against the stops, the lines are straight, the brakes set and the pilot chute cocked - the bloody thing should open - even if it requires a bit of uncermonious stuffing into the bag :)As one instructor told me - even if a $5 packer can do the job better - there's good karma in doing you own pack job - since it's your neck on the line, you will do everything you can to get it right - the packer may not. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites lazerq3 0 #15 December 5, 2001 Quoteyou will do everything you can to get it right - the packer may not.I'll see your amen and raise you a jallopenoe.........I mean halaluya!!!!!jason Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites harro 0 #16 December 5, 2001 Get romantically involved with a packer mate....only way to go!!Freemind, freesky, freebeer, freefly, freesex Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites lazerq3 0 #17 December 5, 2001 Yeah I can see where this is going............(women)....(or man depending) ....excuse Mr packer.....I'll give ya 5$ for a pack job!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!jason Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Grogs 0 #18 December 5, 2001 Quote(IM KIDDING!!! I just KNOW somebody's not gonna read this far and actually TRY this...)Nah, the lines always get all messed up when I do that. I usually just toss it in a bathtub full of bleach for a couple of hours. The canopy packs like a breeze after that, and the openings are so soft you won't even notice it's there -- mainly because it won't be after all 9 cells blow out at once.Seriously though, the best thing for packing ZP's is to keep at it. After packing brand new ZP tandems around the 360-385 sq ft range all Summer, I don't get too intimidated by most canopies anymore. Some of the meager advice I could give you though is:- Only put 2 S-folds in. Make the first ones at the lines, put your knees on it, and then bring the rest of the canopy up along the top of your knees, fold it in half, and put it on top of the first S-fold. I used to try doing 3 and that made it almost unmanagable.- DON'T kneel on top of the S-folded canopy. It'll blow apart if you put too much weight on it. Just use light pressure from one hand.- Try and put the canopy in the bag from the side and turn it. This tends to make it a little bit off-center, but IMO not enough to cause concern. And once you start getting it in the bag, keep at it.- Also, if you got a few extra bucks, a way to make your life a lot easier is to get a ZP D-bag. It makes the canopy slide in really easily when you load it in the bag sideways. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites lewmonst 0 #19 December 5, 2001 brandon, it's all about your knees...PSYCHO pack it!!! trust me, i just got my new safire in june, took it to a boogie the first day i had my rigger get it all together... after spending about 1/2 hour wiping sweat and tears away, i took it over to the icarus demo tent, and the icarus staff said, "here, i'll show you how to psycho pack it..." i paid for packers the rest of that day, but with 4 jumps on it a couple weeks later, i printed the photo description of psycho-packing from icarus's website, and packed it in my living room... you will be amazed how much easier it is to get in the bag. (it may not be pretty, but it works)and 100 jumps later, nothing more than an occasional (less than 1 in 10pack jobs) line twist, i have reliable openings, and can pack the whole thing in about 6 or 7 minutes... i would NOT recommend psycho packing for everyone though. i've psycho packed a couple other canopies and heard of slams to 1000 ft. snivles... But it is recommended for a safire. (and don't roll or push the nose in)tip 2: closing your container, use your bare feet, not your knees...if i get to Richmond before the bandwagon heads to the party saturday night, I'd be happy to show you how to do it......for $5 dollars - JUST KIDDING (i'd like to thank Sean C., Johnny S., Ty, PacMan, Suave, LittleJoe, Rob, BO!, Treeboy, bobo and Ed for helping my packing endevours over the last 4 years)lew Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites mountainman 0 #20 December 5, 2001 Awesome guys!! Thank you so much. I am getting better at some parts of this, but I think I need a demonstration for some of these parts to psycho pack it. All that air in there is just making it all sloppy and the pics I've seen has some wornout canopy that is like 2 in. thick. haha.....Oh well......this weekend will be the education for us. Thanks again!! -------------http://www.JumpinDuo.com"oh no. Not another one"-Alienangel Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Jabeln79 0 #21 December 5, 2001 When i first got my new canopy(Triathalon) and had to learn to propack it i wanted to burn it i was so frusterated.. but i was able to get a hold of the Triathalon packing video i watched it a couple of times and packed it everyday until i got to jump and by the time jumping came i packed it without a problem... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites n2skdvn 0 #22 December 5, 2001 ZP.... like putting a wet cat into a paper bag!!!!!!have chute. will fall. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Jessica 0 #23 December 5, 2001 QuoteWish I had an F111?? HELL NO!!! Those suck!! I like mine. It keeps me alive, what the hell.Pet me! I'm harmless and cute! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites koune 0 #24 December 5, 2001 Thanx....gives hope for the future! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites BPO 0 #25 December 5, 2001 He Koune,I'll let you practice on my chute.. okay? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Prev 1 2 Next Page 1 of 2 Join the conversation You can post now and register later. If you have an account, sign in now to post with your account. Note: Your post will require moderator approval before it will be visible. Reply to this topic... × Pasted as rich text. Paste as plain text instead Only 75 emoji are allowed. × Your link has been automatically embedded. Display as a link instead × Your previous content has been restored. 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SniperCJ 0 #13 December 5, 2001 When I get a new canopy I usually just toss it into the washing maching for a couple of cycles to knock the "new" off of it. Works every time!(IM KIDDING!!! I just KNOW somebody's not gonna read this far and actually TRY this...)CJ Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
GrumpySmurf 0 #14 December 5, 2001 Amen brother, I know your pain - one of the packers taught me to line up the two tape edges, then do the roll with just the thumb and forefinger on the right and left hand really tight,- sorry, I'm trying to visualize this and put it to words. :(Of course, as long as the slider is unstowed and against the stops, the lines are straight, the brakes set and the pilot chute cocked - the bloody thing should open - even if it requires a bit of uncermonious stuffing into the bag :)As one instructor told me - even if a $5 packer can do the job better - there's good karma in doing you own pack job - since it's your neck on the line, you will do everything you can to get it right - the packer may not. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
lazerq3 0 #15 December 5, 2001 Quoteyou will do everything you can to get it right - the packer may not.I'll see your amen and raise you a jallopenoe.........I mean halaluya!!!!!jason Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
harro 0 #16 December 5, 2001 Get romantically involved with a packer mate....only way to go!!Freemind, freesky, freebeer, freefly, freesex Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
lazerq3 0 #17 December 5, 2001 Yeah I can see where this is going............(women)....(or man depending) ....excuse Mr packer.....I'll give ya 5$ for a pack job!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!jason Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Grogs 0 #18 December 5, 2001 Quote(IM KIDDING!!! I just KNOW somebody's not gonna read this far and actually TRY this...)Nah, the lines always get all messed up when I do that. I usually just toss it in a bathtub full of bleach for a couple of hours. The canopy packs like a breeze after that, and the openings are so soft you won't even notice it's there -- mainly because it won't be after all 9 cells blow out at once.Seriously though, the best thing for packing ZP's is to keep at it. After packing brand new ZP tandems around the 360-385 sq ft range all Summer, I don't get too intimidated by most canopies anymore. Some of the meager advice I could give you though is:- Only put 2 S-folds in. Make the first ones at the lines, put your knees on it, and then bring the rest of the canopy up along the top of your knees, fold it in half, and put it on top of the first S-fold. I used to try doing 3 and that made it almost unmanagable.- DON'T kneel on top of the S-folded canopy. It'll blow apart if you put too much weight on it. Just use light pressure from one hand.- Try and put the canopy in the bag from the side and turn it. This tends to make it a little bit off-center, but IMO not enough to cause concern. And once you start getting it in the bag, keep at it.- Also, if you got a few extra bucks, a way to make your life a lot easier is to get a ZP D-bag. It makes the canopy slide in really easily when you load it in the bag sideways. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
lewmonst 0 #19 December 5, 2001 brandon, it's all about your knees...PSYCHO pack it!!! trust me, i just got my new safire in june, took it to a boogie the first day i had my rigger get it all together... after spending about 1/2 hour wiping sweat and tears away, i took it over to the icarus demo tent, and the icarus staff said, "here, i'll show you how to psycho pack it..." i paid for packers the rest of that day, but with 4 jumps on it a couple weeks later, i printed the photo description of psycho-packing from icarus's website, and packed it in my living room... you will be amazed how much easier it is to get in the bag. (it may not be pretty, but it works)and 100 jumps later, nothing more than an occasional (less than 1 in 10pack jobs) line twist, i have reliable openings, and can pack the whole thing in about 6 or 7 minutes... i would NOT recommend psycho packing for everyone though. i've psycho packed a couple other canopies and heard of slams to 1000 ft. snivles... But it is recommended for a safire. (and don't roll or push the nose in)tip 2: closing your container, use your bare feet, not your knees...if i get to Richmond before the bandwagon heads to the party saturday night, I'd be happy to show you how to do it......for $5 dollars - JUST KIDDING (i'd like to thank Sean C., Johnny S., Ty, PacMan, Suave, LittleJoe, Rob, BO!, Treeboy, bobo and Ed for helping my packing endevours over the last 4 years)lew Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
mountainman 0 #20 December 5, 2001 Awesome guys!! Thank you so much. I am getting better at some parts of this, but I think I need a demonstration for some of these parts to psycho pack it. All that air in there is just making it all sloppy and the pics I've seen has some wornout canopy that is like 2 in. thick. haha.....Oh well......this weekend will be the education for us. Thanks again!! -------------http://www.JumpinDuo.com"oh no. Not another one"-Alienangel Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Jabeln79 0 #21 December 5, 2001 When i first got my new canopy(Triathalon) and had to learn to propack it i wanted to burn it i was so frusterated.. but i was able to get a hold of the Triathalon packing video i watched it a couple of times and packed it everyday until i got to jump and by the time jumping came i packed it without a problem... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
n2skdvn 0 #22 December 5, 2001 ZP.... like putting a wet cat into a paper bag!!!!!!have chute. will fall. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Jessica 0 #23 December 5, 2001 QuoteWish I had an F111?? HELL NO!!! Those suck!! I like mine. It keeps me alive, what the hell.Pet me! I'm harmless and cute! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
koune 0 #24 December 5, 2001 Thanx....gives hope for the future! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
BPO 0 #25 December 5, 2001 He Koune,I'll let you practice on my chute.. okay? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
