Atom - reserve PC did not launch

[emil 0]

http://youtu.be/zchQO5H-zEw[url]

What do You think?

[Hellis 0]

emil

http://youtu.be/zchQO5H-zEw

What do You think?

I know of a different manufacturer that had a similar problem but one of the things the manufcturer responded to such a video was "put the rig one someone before pulling the pin".
Not a direct quote but..

Having the rig laying flat vs. on the back can make a big difference.

[gowlerk 2,216]

I think the manufacturer used defective material (over coated) in lining this container. Probably in violation of the TSO quality control procedures. And that in the situation of an AAD fire at terminal velocity at 750' above the ground the resulting hesitation would be lethal.

Always remember the brave children who died defending your right to bear arms. Freedom is not free.

[ronny2 0]

Some years ago they have the same problem with the pilot-chute there was a safety bulletin about it (I can not find it right now) and change the pilot-chute.
Wash the free-bag will be a better solution for this problem.

[betzilla 56]

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could it have been coil-lock?

[gowlerk 2,216]

ronny2

Some years ago they have the same problem with the pilot-chute there was a safety bulletin about it (I can not find it right now) and change the pilot-chute.
Wash the free-bag will be a better solution for this problem.

There is an S/B regarding freebags with a coating on the inside causing the canopy to adhere. It is a completely different problem than this. Washing the container may help, but I see this as a defect.

A major North American H/C maker had a similar problem with a batch of red cordura doing the same thing. They recalled the affected containers and replaced the bad parts.

Always remember the brave children who died defending your right to bear arms. Freedom is not free.

[skydiverek 63]

Yes, Sunpath Javelin had the problem with red cordura.

And Atom had a problem with too-large-of-diamater reserve PC caps, where they replaced them with smaller ones. They also had the "sticky problem".

http://www.dropzone.com/cgi-bin/forum/gforum.cgi?post=3844811#3844811

and

http://www.dropzone.com/cgi-bin/forum/gforum.cgi?post=3351682;search_string=quick;#3351682

[riggerrob 643]

All valid possibilities for pilot chute hesitation.
Another possible cause might be a closing loop that is too long.

[FrancoR 0]

emil

http://youtu.be/zchQO5H-zEw

What do You think?

I am thinking my:
"my Skyhook and the spinning Pilot 168 are gonna pull that thing out in no time"

Yes i am am aware that my pilot may have never left the container on some emergency situations and i know it would be faster if it would not stick to anything. I am just saying...

If it does not cost anything you are the product.

[skydiverek 63]

riggerrob

All valid possibilities for pilot chute hesitation.
Another possible cause might be a closing loop that is too long.

True, plus non-siliconized reserve loop:

Video:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HYIUjKGxagI

Explanation of the above video:
http://www.dropzone.com/cgi-bin/forum/gforum.cgi?post=2101957#2101957

[skydiverek 63]

FrancoR

***http://youtu.be/zchQO5H-zEw

What do You think?

I am thinking my:
"my Skyhook and the spinning Pilot 168 are gonna pull that thing out in no time"

Yes i am am aware that my pilot may have never left the container on some emergency situations and i know it would be faster if it would not stick to anything. I am just saying...

Skyhook disconnects in approx 15% mals (mals where it should NOT disconnect), so I would not count on this...

[gowlerk 2,216]

If you watch the video, on a decent sized screen, not a smart phone, you will clearly see that the coating on the inside of the container is the problem in this case.

Always remember the brave children who died defending your right to bear arms. Freedom is not free.

[piisfish 140]

Send the video to PdF and the French federation.
Should be lined with parapack
I like talcum powder

scissors beat paper, paper beat rock, rock beat wingsuit - KarlM

[elduderino 0]

on this PC the fabric must be between the coils...!!
Extractuer quick3....

http://www.parachutes-de-france.net/upload/docs/R_06_001_FR.pdf

[DougH 270]

gowlerk

If you watch the video, on a decent sized screen, not a smart phone, you will clearly see that the coating on the inside of the container is the problem in this case.

Without a doubt! RPC material is stuck to it like fly paper! Bad ju-ju!

"The restraining order says you're only allowed to touch me in freefall"
=P

[unkulunkulu 0]

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Skyhook disconnects in approx 15% mals (mals where it should NOT disconnect)

Can you provide a credible source to support this claim? Thanks.

[woppyvac 0]

I've witnessed a skyhook on a tandem not activate & I've opened rigs where the skyhook isn't attached/routed properly. Gotta remember you are adding additional equipment + functions to the reserve system. I'm a big advocate of Keep It Simple Stupid (KISS). In this video it doesn't matter what additional features you add... that thing is 100% not safe!

Woot Woot!

[unkulunkulu 0]

I don't question the statement itself. On the contrary, I want a credible source for this statistic (around 15%) to use in conversations. People should know that using reserve-activation-accelerators so to speak shouldn't lead to getting relaxed about executing proper EPs.

[nigel99 501]

unkulunkulu

I don't question the statement itself. On the contrary, I want a credible source for this statistic (around 15%) to use in conversations. People should know that using reserve-activation-accelerators so to speak shouldn't lead to getting relaxed about executing proper EPs.

I don't know where that statistic comes from but it is about the same as what a dz I jump at experiences.

Experienced jumper - someone who has made mistakes more often than I have and lived.

[Danne 0]

emil

http://youtu.be/zchQO5H-zEw

What do You think?

What exact model and date of manufacture is it?

[piisfish 140]

Quick 3.1 in this case. Sshoild be packed with fabric between the coils. The problem is known by the manufacturer but the act and react like kids hiding stuff. Good riddance.

scissors beat paper, paper beat rock, rock beat wingsuit - KarlM

[riggerrob 643]

nigel99

***I don't question the statement itself. On the contrary, I want a credible source for this statistic (around 15%) to use in conversations. People should know that using reserve-activation-accelerators so to speak shouldn't lead to getting relaxed about executing proper EPs.

I don't know where that statistic comes from but it is about the same as what a dz I jump at experiences.
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Bill Booth talked about it in an earlier thread .... Something about Skyhook is designed to release deliberately when you are waaaaay over-speed.
Remember that snatch force (of pilot-chute lifting d-bag out of container) increases with the SQUARE of the velocity.
Worst case scenario: you are jumping a tandem with a 500 pound bundle (typical mission for a military TI) when your stogie fails the inflate. It barely drags out your main d-bag, but does not have enough drag to pull out the main suspension lines, so you quickly accelerate to tandem terminal (200 miles per hour). Do you really want the fastest possible reserve deployment?

[skydiverek 63]

I hear you, but was rather thinking about numerous videos showing Skyhook disconnect when cutting away from a normal lineover or spinning mal... It should not disconnect then (or you would not want it to).

[woppyvac 0]

Also, what is up with that dude's carpet? HA!

Woot Woot!

[RiggerLee 61]

I'm not buying that shit. More Booth BS. The simple truth is that it's hard to build a MARD. The timing on the system is critical in terms of whether it releases or not and which deployment system activates the reserve. With out getting into the plusses or minuses of the different designs, the simple truth is that the skyhook simply isn't very secure. It suffers from uncommand releases even on cutaways. It is NOT a design feature it is a DEFECT and this is just his spin.

As to your very unlikely scenario, considering the he uses ordinary rubber bands on his bag and that his drogue is actually designed to deploy the main from a collapsed configuration. Let's go out on a limb and say that it half hitches into a knot and does not inflate at all. And seeing this you make the dubious decision to release your drogue which requires a manual action on your part. It extracts the bag as you say, but do you really think that it can not unstow the tandom rubber bands on the bag. The bag has so much momentum that it's weight alone would unstow the locking bands on the bag. And at those speeds just the drag of the bag it self sould be enough to deploy it. And if the mall has so little drag then it's Cd is even lower then the collapsed drogue that is the normal deployment system. It's not a huge snatch force deploying the reserve. And would you really rather the reserve PC disconnected it self and deployed past the spinning bag lock? wouldn't it be better if the MARD actually functioned properly and was deployed by the main as it got out of the way?

Have you been drinking Booths cool aide?

Lee

Lee
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