Planes - a - flyin!

[cyberskydive 0]

SOME good news eh?
Called spaceland said will be flyin, I'm assuming everyone else will be too- so, question is, WHOS GOIN SKYDIVING?
C-28534
"My "Old Hand" is getting tired"

[freeflir29 0]

If the DZ's are open in GA I'll be there!
"We must kill them. We must exterminate them. Pig by Pig, Cow by Cow" -Apocolypse Now
Clay

[Aviatrr 0]

Well, first I've gotta get home.....but then this weekend, I'll be out jumping.. For me, going to the DZ always makes me forget my worries......at least for a short time.. Kinda theraputic, I guess..
Mike

[Slappie 9]

I WILL BE THERE THIS WEEKEND!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Spaceland Rocks!!! I may need to manifest from the office? I need 4 jumps and a HnP to complete my student status then we can get a DZ.com-8-way RECORD!!! Maybe even my first jump from SS will be my SCR!!! Goooooooooo Meeeeeeee and Spaceland!! I could use some altitude about now!!
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[mountainman 0]

Just wondering, but dont you need to be A license qualified to jump with licensed (non-instructors)??
just wondering dude....hell, i jumped with someone without having mine (hehe....)
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[Dutchboy 0]

Guess again, look at this NOTAM issued 5 minutes before the airspace openned.

10:55 AM EDT Notice From the GA Desk at ATCSCC
GA OPERATORS NOT TO ENTER ATC SYSTEM UNTIL FUTHER NOTICE
No that doesn't mean Georgia, it is General Aviation of which skydiving is included. For some unknown reason, the FAA is descriminating against the rest of us, who had absolutely nothing to do with this evil act.
The Dutchboy
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[mountainman 0]

I think they want to get the economy back up and get people where they need to go. Usually general aviation (with exception of charter/buisness/etc) is just personal stuff and skydivers (damnit!!). So, hopefully GA will be soon after.
*DISCLAIMER* I dont work for the USA, so I dont know this. It's just my opinion. *DISCLAIMER*
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[wildblue 7]

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No that doesn't mean Georgia, it is General Aviation of which skydiving is included. For some unknown reason, the FAA is descriminating against the rest of us, who had absolutely nothing to do with this evil act.

Give 'em a break. They're not sure how to get started again. I doubt they're picking on GA. Part of it could be they want to be able to keep track of everything going on, and any planes leaving/entering the country for a few days. There's a number of reasons they might be keeping GA grounded. Give them awhile to deal with bigger, more important matters. Then we can get back to having fun.
Then, I saw these two guys swoopin across the pond, and I was like 'weeeeeee!!!!'

[Aviatrr 0]

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10:55 AM EDT Notice From the GA Desk at ATCSCC
GA OPERATORS NOT TO ENTER ATC SYSTEM UNTIL FUTHER NOTICE

That bites.. I'm still stuck here in Denver, and since I'm flying a corporate jet rather than an airliner, I'm considered GA.. We thought we were going to be cut loose, but then this announcement comes out..
Mike

[Slappie 9]

I'm sorry I just got off the phone with Spaceland and they are flying this afternoon!!
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[Dutchboy 0]

You can't just leave the country even in a GA aircraft. By keeping GA on the ground they are adding to the problems of the comercial airlines, since those who could relieve some of the pressure by not flying commercially are not permitted to do so.
GA does not means it is all just for fun, just not a regularly scheduled commercial operation.
The Dutchboy
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[JMC 0]

Just called my DZ. They aren't making any promises. Made my first AFF last weekend and can't wait to jump again.

[miked10270 0]

Hi there,
Don't get your hopes up too far just yet - I suspect that it'll be some time before GA gets moving again.
Until now the FAA has allowed a "free skies" policy in which aircraft in the US can largely fly anywhere they want! For example, a friend of mine recently ferried a 'plane to Florida from further up the East coast. His "flight plan" consisted of "No particular course, speed or heading... I intend just kind of following the coastline down". This was accepable to a succession of ATCs.
In the future expect this policy to vanish. It now seems completely unaccepable for ANY aircraft to fly without (or outwith) an acceptable flight plan. As such, commercial, scheduled aviation is getting to start to fly again (but heaven help the pilot who deviates from his flight plan - I suspect that depending on the deviation, he could face being shot down!).
Of course, these atrocities will have a fundamental effect on attitudes to skyjackings in that future attempts are VERY unlikely to succeed. Henceforth, the median airline passenger will probably be willing to fight a skyjacking "to the death" on the basis that his self-percieved chances of survival are nil. If you were on a 'plane which was being skyjacked how far would you go to thwart the skyjacking?
As such, any repeat of these atrocities is more likely to involve the use of GA aircraft. So, which type of GA aircraft commonly allow a significant number of relative strangers to board - and recommends that they carry knives!!?
I suspect that parachute centres are going to have to register, and they're going to have to notify takeoff times and be restricted in where they can fly on the climb to altitude. It is conceivable that some centres may be forced to close. Expect our sport to get more expensive as the costs inherent in increased regulation is passed on.
Mike D10270.

[Slappie 9]

Ok I just got of the phone and spoke with the DZO at Skydive Spaceland. They are flying. They are in the air dropping skydivers. I asked him about the FAA ect... He said "welp I have no idea where these people are getting their info?" "The FAA regulation may be different or they are being misled." Remember this is Houston only. They "Spaceland" was given the ok to resume flights this morning. Spaceland is a "Private Airport." Used for Skydiving purposes only. No other planes take-off or land here except the jump planes for Spaceland.
I'm thinking that maybe in some parts of the country where the DZ shares the airport with other planes the FAA might not have released them to fly. So as of this morning I know I can go skydiving Remember this is the INTERNET and you can't always believe what your reading.
Take care everyone, I'm off to the DZ this afternoon to try and finish my AFP!!!
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[Zennie 0]

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Remember this is the INTERNET and you can't always believe what your reading.

WHAT!? But... but... everything on the Internet is true!

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Take care everyone, I'm off to the DZ this afternoon to try and finish my AFP!!!

Woohoo! If you could be done by this Saturday that would be most excellent! --------
Zennie
"I know the pieces fit. 'Cause I watched them fall away..."
--Tool

[MC208B 0]

Slappie, if they are flying this afternoon, probably only ONE ride up and good thing you'll have a rig on! I'm an aircraft mechanic in Portland Oregon and general aviation is still grounded NATIONWIDE until further notice. This does suck but that's the way it is for now.

[mountainman 0]

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I'm sorry I just got off the phone with Spaceland and they are flying this afternoon!!

If they dont lift the ban before then, I sure hope there are no F-16's in the area!
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[Slappie 9]

Not sure all I know is I talked to the DZO/Pilot and they are not grounded. *shrug*
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[wildblue 7]

I don't think they should be according to this:
9/13/01 2:01:24 PM — Secretary of Transportation Norm Mineta has reopened U.S. airspace to commercial airline and cargo traffic, but said the airspace still remains closed to general aviation. Mineta says a decision on GA will be made later today. Mineta, on his way to a White House meeting, called AOPA President Phil Boyer earlier and pledged that he would work for a way to get general aviation flying as soon as possible consistent with national security. Boyer also had a personal telephone call with FAA Administrator Jane Garvey, who also assured him that she was working for the resumption of all flying.
Despite a notam issued at 4:29 a.m. this morning opening the airspace to all traffic at 11 a.m., FAA issued a new notam at 10:57 a.m. keeping the airspace closed to GA:
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!FDC 1/9832 ZZZ THE UNITED STATES NATIONAL AIRSPACE SYSTEM UPDATE
EFFECTIVE SEPTEMBER 13, 2001 AT 1500 UTC.
ALL IFR AND VFR GENERAL AVIATION FLIGHTS ARE PROHIBITED WITHIN THE NATIONAL AIRSPACE SYSTEM UNTIL FURTHER NOTICE.
FOR ALL OTHER OPERATIONS, NORMAL OPERATIONS ARE RESUMED WITHIN THE NATIONAL AIRSPACE SYSTEM. AIRPORT AND AIRCRAFT WILL BE OPERATING UNDER INCREASED SECURITY REQUIREMENTS. SPECIFIC AIRPORTS MAY NOT HAVE RESUMED OPERATIONS BY THIS TIME FRAME. OPERATORS ARE REQUIRED TO ENSURE THAT THEIR SECURITY REQUIREMENTS ARE MET AND THAT THE DESTINATION AIRPORT IS OPERATIONAL.
Then, I saw these two guys swoopin across the pond, and I was like 'weeeeeee!!!!'

[Zennie 0]

So I guess the core question is whether DZ operations fall under the category of General Aviation.
Pardon my cluelessness here, but I take it that it is given the previous posts. Are there situations when it isn't?
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Zennie
"I know the pieces fit. 'Cause I watched them fall away..."
--Tool

[Slappie 9]

Thursday, September 13, 2001
10:00 a.m. (EST)
Contact: Chet Lunner
Tel.: (202) 366-4570
DOT 96-01
Statement of U.S. Secretary of Transportation Norman Y. Mineta
Secretary of Transportation Norman Y. Mineta has ordered the national airspace system re-opened to commercial and private aviation, effective at 11 a.m. Eastern time Thursday.
The Secretary’s decision was made after a series of meetings throughout the day and night Wednesday with White House and Cabinet officials, Federal Aviation Administration Administrator Jane Garvey, aviation industry leaders, as well as intelligence and law enforcement representatives.
“The re-opening of our national airspace is good news for travelers, for the airlines and for our economy,” Secretary Mineta said. “But I must caution everyone that a system as diverse and complex as ours cannot be brought back up instantly. We will re-open airports and resume flights on a case-by-case basis, only after they implement our more stringent levels of security. This phased approach will assure the highest levels of safety, which remains our primary goal.
“Anyone planning on flying should check with their airline regarding the level of service and flight schedules, and be sure to allow plenty of time to deal with our new security procedures. There will be some inconveniences, but safety will be the first element of our system to be restored,” the Secretary said.
On Wednesday, Secretary Mineta had approved a limited re-opening of the system, allowing aircraft diverted during Tuesday’s terrorist attacks to continue to their destinations or be repositioned in anticipation of today’s decision.
At the same time, he announced a series of heightened security measures, including a ban on curbside luggage check-in and off-airport passenger check-in. Before being allowed to re-open, airports must clear their terminals of people and conduct thorough searches. Once re-opened, airports will feature an increased presence of law enforcement officers, restricted access beyond the screening area and other restrictions.
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[wildblue 7]

Despite a notam issued at 4:29 a.m. this morning opening the airspace to all traffic at 11 a.m., FAA issued a new notam at 10:57 a.m. keeping the airspace closed to GA:
Then, I saw these two guys swoopin across the pond, and I was like 'weeeeeee!!!!'

[Slappie 9]

Ok then are you sure that Jump Planes are concidered GA? I want to know where your getting your information. Website ect... I'm pulling my hair out trying to find general information. Really ANYTHING that last post was the only thing I've come across. the FAA website sucks for information....
Not pissed or anything, just frustrated because I can not mine the internet for what I want!!!!
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[jfields 0]

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WHAT!? But... but... everything on the Internet is true!

Zennie, so you and Skreamer really were.....
Justin
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[PhreeZone 20]

Jump planes are covered under FAR 91 I think. Thats a GA FAR. If they were under ??? (I think 109) then they would be considered Commercial. Commercial designation would mean jump prices would be like $40-50 per jump to cover all the extra inspenctions and Certs that the pilots and planes would have to under go.
Flying on your belly is great..... if thats all you can do!