diver123 0 #1 September 10, 2001 Hey people, I know you may not always want to hear this stuff, but it's still too important to be left unsaid so...A skydive isn't over until you've taken your rig off and set it on the packing mat! We had two very close calls this weekend at Elsinore, both of which could've been avoided had there been good separation or awareness for others... The first incident involved a canopy wrap at well under 700 feet. Two jumpers were on final while heading for the same spot and one turned into the other wrapping his stabalizer and outer lines around the other jumpers legs. They went into a quick spin, but cleared in enough time to recover and land safely. Watch out while landing in a crowded area! The other incident happened when two jumpers failed to get enough seperation before deployment and opened very close to one another. One had line twists and couldn't control their canopy, and while the other jumper recognized the problem and attempted to avoid the other canopy, he was too close to avoid the collision. They entangled and went into a violent spin! One jumper managed to cut away fairly quickly, while the other one had a little more trouble with his canopy and rode the mal down a bit further before successfully clearing the mess and opening his reserve... Luckily, all 4 people walked away and will be able to jump again, but this situation could've been much worse. The moral of this story is the same as it always is: Never get complacent, cause it can kill! ...I don't want to be one of those jumpers that has to live with a memory like that stuck in my head for life... "pull high! It's lower than you think..." Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
JumpingKayAus 0 #2 September 10, 2001 Hey Ran...I'm assuming this was after I left, eh? Shoot me an email...I want to ask you a question. Standing behind him even when he's wrong~JumpingKayAus Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
hottamaly 1 #3 September 10, 2001 Thanks for mentioning this! I was load organizing and saw both wraps at different stages and it wasn't pretty. Needless to say, all the folks I was jumping with made sure they were tracking like their life depended on it (because it did).LindaSKYDIVING GAVE ME A REASON TO LIVE.... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
skydiventom 0 #4 September 10, 2001 So very true.... and don't forget the person shooting video. I've had more than enough people dump without tracking. If you watch the competitors the one thing they all do very well is "get outt'a dodge" at break off.... Blue Skies!! =-) Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
westcoastchica 0 #5 September 10, 2001 what the hairy heck? i skip one weekend out at elsinore and all chaos breaks loose!jake laid it all out for me when he came home and i nearly fell off my chair. i didn't believe him at first. glad everyone made it out safely.guess ya learn more from mistakes than from triumphs, but holy canoli this is one hell of a lesson in paying attention.seems like lately people have been pretty slack about paying close attention to the line up in the landing pattern. more often than not, i see people cutting other canopies off left and right, and it kills me. i stopped to let this one guy know that he cut it a little close to another person landing (because i knew that person was pretty wigged by it, but wouldn't balls up enough to confront the other guy) and i was really nice about it and just offered a suggestion that he be a little more aware of maybe less experienced canopy pilots, and the guy totally blew me off. later that day he cut off another person (a very big man with many a jump) and got his ass chewed for it. hard not to say i told ya so, huh? well, okay, so i didn't say i told you so, but i felt no remorse in standing five feet away from him as he got his ass rearranged with that "i'm not saying a damn word, doot doot doooo, but HAH HA!" look on my face.well anyway guys, this is why i dig these forums. even though maybe this could have been in the safety and training, these little posts stuck in here and there never seem to hurt. and most everyone seems to get on board and offer some decent advice/opinions. (although yes yes, we should all be careful about what opinions we take for good advice...blah blah blah.) so thanks for such a neat place to shoot the shiznit. hee hee.now then, who wants to bet on how many more posts it will take for this thread to turn into some horny joke?safe skies guys!Lara Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
johnny1488 1 #6 September 11, 2001 I was landing on the final jump of the day on sunday when at 40 feet or so some one swooped past me on my left causing me to tweek it to the right. No biggie but now im headed in between 2 jumpers picking up their gear in the peas. I yelled heads up and flared my hardest and did my best to pull my feet up over a students chute laying at the edge of the peas. I caught the last foot of it, slid off the chute onto my ass. The owner of the school walked out and told me to look out for studets and other jumpers when I plan to land. Didnt feel like making a big deal out of it cause it really wasnt. Im always watching out for the brainless wonders. And by the way did my FIRST jump w/ my girlfriend now that shes off student status and the very first thing we worked on is her track. I wish everyone did. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
DZBone 0 #7 September 11, 2001 Quote who wants to bet on how many more posts it will take for this thread to turn into some horny joke?Well, it depends what you mean by "shoot the shiznit", maybe it already has! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
FallinWoman 1 #8 September 11, 2001 I, too, had a scary lack of track moment a few weeks ago. I was doing a spider formation with four really experienced jumpers, and I was the center. At breakoff, the plan was that I would pull immediately, and they would track, then pull. I did just that and watched someone track for like half of a second and pull right in front of me. We ended up on just about the same level. Thankfully that jumper had an onheading opening and was facing away from me!!!The other three were well below and far away from me. I guess I know who to be aware of the next time!!!Blue skies and good separation!Anne Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
freeflir29 0 #9 September 12, 2001 Yep ...had a friend that was shooting video for a 4 way. A chic in the group stuck her legs out for about 1 sec and then dumped (it's all on video) Well....I guess as he was deploying she came right through the side of his canopy. Destroyed it. He cut it away and lived. Then the bitch has the balls to not even offer to fess up any cash for the canopy. It's an Alpha. I guess those are made in Slovenia. $100 each way for shipping and who knows how much to fix it. I would seriously consider bodily harm in this situation! Track Dammitt!"We must kill them. We must exterminate them. Pig by Pig, Cow by Cow" -Apocolypse NowClay Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Viking 0 #10 September 12, 2001 damn what a bitch....a stupid one at that!! ITS ON TAPE!! you can't weesle your way out of that just be a good girl and pay for it.I swear you must have footprints on the back of your helmet - chicagoskydiver Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Macaulay 0 #11 September 12, 2001 Don't just track... track in the right direction. A new 'A' who went out ahead of me ended out right on top of me. I mean, RIGHT on top. Her snivel ended literally about fifteen directly above me. Apparantly, she had track at a 45° angle from the line of flight, as opposed to 90°. If you do any tracking (which I love to do (and sometimes need to do) at the bottom of just about every jump), track perpendicular to the line of flight, dammit. She got a talking to.- Steve Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
