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Hey there.
I'm working on my website and have some questions about browsers and html. Everything works fine with Internet Explorer 5.x. The problems start popping up when people try to view the site with Netscape. I'm not sure if there is anything simple I can do to make it more Netscape-friendly or if this is a case of "tough luck." The website uses Microsoft's font embedding and active server pages (ASP). Several people have reported that the pages don't come up, just the raw html. One person thought something was off in the mime headers. I don't know. Any ideas?
The entry page of my website is here. It tries to sort by what I think are compatible browsers. You can also try going directly into the website. Here is page of my jump log with a link to a brief story about the jump I did this weekend.
If any of you super skydiving web gurus can help, that would be great. Thanks!
Justin
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What did you use to make the page, if I may ask? Mike Farmer had similar problems with his page not showing up on Netscape, and I believe he used the HTML editor included in Microsoft Word. Basically the problem is that Microsoft doesn't care about making the page compatible for Netscape. So if you use a Microsoft product, it's going to work best on another Microsoft product. Better to use a neutral HTML editor. The one I'm using now is Ace Html4free editor. As in the name, it's free, then they have a 'pro' version if you want to pay for it. The free one is good enough for me since I do a lot of my HTML stuff manually anyway, since that's how I learned it (taught myself). Most of my pages aren't that fancy as I don't have Flash programs and so forth, but on the other hand, a lot of people don't want to have to download a lot of other stuff to make the page viewable either. *shrug*
Anyway...just a couple of things. Hope it helps. I'm certainly no web 'guru', just a junkie to learning new things and have done a few for small businesses and friends.
P
BTW..your site is awesome with IE anyway :)
A new page! Bi-Plane pics!

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Pammi,
I made my page using MS Frontpage. I know, not a "real" html editor, but I'm lazy. It does a good job of satisfying "most of the people most of the time" with the least effort. It allows me to use javascript and embed fonts pretty easily to maintain a uniform look without being too large to download.
I don't particularly care if people using really old browsers can see it or not. They should just upgrade. I know that is snotty, but I want to give most of the people (IE) a good page to look at. What I'm trying to do is see if there are things I can do to make my site a little more compatible without sacrificing the aesthetics.
I'm glad you liked the site. I'm open to suggestions for improvement or additions.
Justin
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Hey Justin, I got pretty much what you described when I tried opening the page in Netscape 4.77 - just the raw html code. The first thing that sticks out to me is you don't have the closing arguments and at the bottom of the page. I can also save it to my desktop and then drop it into Netscape and it opens up ok (or as ok as an ASP page can open without it's supporting stuff). I'm not much of an expert when it comes to coding asp pages though. Most of my stuff is limited to coding straight html in Notepad, with a Java applet thrown in here or there. I would be curious about which version of Front Page you're using though. Front Page '98 was notorious for dorking up web pages and almost every html book I've read says avoid it like the plague. FP 2000 is a lot better.

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Justin,
I don't know too much about HTML (hehehehe) but here are a couple of high-level things to keep in mind when trying to build a Netscape compatible site:
1) Close your tags! Netscape will often simply not execute a tag that hasn't been closed. I.e. Open a tag, and if you don't close it there's a good chance that table won' show up. Open a tag and don't close it and there's a good chance the whole body of the document won't show up.....
2) Use stylesheets sparsely. NS and IE interprets stylesheets differently - even from version to version. If you use stylesheets, which you do, you may need to check which browser is requesting a page and pass a different set of stylesheets to the browser.
General advice is too keep it relatively simple in the beginning - stay away from too much JS and use stylesheets for simple tasks only.
Good luck and have fun! (It's looking good!:)Safe swoops
Sangiro

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the problem is that after netscape invented java script, microsoft changed it so much that it is not
support by netscape any more :) try to avoid using microsoft-specific stuff and everything's gonna
work. the best practice for web development - use netscape for testing.
stan,
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Umm...yeah. :)Safe swoops
Sangiro

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Hey Donna (and everyone else),
Give it a shot now. I had an online chat with Grogs yesterday, who gave me some advice. Between that and Sangiro's pointers, I think I have it worked out. I hadn't screwed up by not closing the tags. It was just the fundamental IE/Netscape issue.
Now I basically have the entire website duplicated. There is an IE version, and a Netscape version. It auto-detects which one you are using and sends you in the proper direction. The IE version looks much better, but the basic content should be available with either browser.
If any of you Netscape fans check it out, let me know how it works. I've only poked around a little with Netscape 6.1, which I installed on a separate machine for testing. Gotta love computer geekdom. ;)
Thanks for the help, everyone! :)Justin
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The netscape 6 browsers are much more compatible when it comes to html functionality / uses, however since those browsers suck so bad everyone uses 4.X -LOL thats where most of the problems I've ever run into lies. '
Netscape does have a full listing of supported html tags as well as javascript stylesheets eetc somewhere in the abyss at thier site, I find it useful from time to time when I can find it -LOL
lots o work building two different versions though :)
now try for all the different resolutions!
and color depth!
and AOL graphics!
argghhhhhhh!1-lmfao
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You might want to try adding a doctype tag... seems like the non-IE browsers think you're sending us plaintext...
Before the "" tag, try adding this line:

It's a pretty strange error, but it also happens on all my linux browsers, so IE is the one behaving strangely here by showing the page.
Who's hosting the site? There could also be a server configuration error.
I'm in over my head here, though.

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Cool site Justin....sorry I had no advice to give you, but trust me, you don't want my computer advice as it generally contains violence and a shoe. The pics were wonderful as was Jennifer's description of her first jump. I think it is wonderful that you suprised her with the jump. What a great guy.
Keep us updated on what you guys are doing and post lots of pics...I'm a visual learner.

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the problem is that after netscape invented java script, microsoft changed it so much that it is not
support by netscape any more


Actually Sun invented Java...in particular one Patrick Naughton. He was a brilliant man, and I'm not just saying that because we have the same last name :) It's a shame though that a couple years later he was arrested for propositioning a 12 year old girl for sex over the internet that turned out to be an FBI agent. DOH!!
cielos azules y cerveza fría
-Kevin

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