harro 0 #1 May 22, 2001 I have had problems with my sit before this incident so I had borrowed someones sit suit. After a very easy sit jump I tracked and dumped. At this stage I was flying a sabre 190 with RSL.After the initial snatch, I looked up too see half of my canopy inflated and the other all messed up in a nice array of canopy and lines. I started the flat spin thing as I was about too cut away. I cut, check left riser, check right riser and I was still in a flat spin. Now the next few seconds felt like 2 minutes, I look up and there is one fully inflated canopy ( reserve ) and a main trailing behind. It looked like as the reserve was deploying from the cut away of the main, the pilot chute had gone through the lines of the main and the reserve deployed and inflated with the main wrapped around it.At this stage my thoughts were :" here I am...I am about too die "After making about 2 - 3 spins of sheer panic I had decided to make one last final attempt of getting my life back. I looked at my right riser ( I was spinning to the left ) grabbed it and gave it one of the biggest pulls to get it back on track.At 1500 feet I stopped the flat spin, 1000 feet the main came down the lines of the reserve and landed about 5 kms away from DZ.I know what I did wrong, do you ?IF FIRST YOU DON'T SUCCEED, DON'T TRY SKYDIVING! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
cdunham 0 #2 May 22, 2001 Nice save, dude. Glad to have you back!It sounds like you did everything right, unless you hadn't slowed down enough before initiating your main deployment. You could also have d/c'd the rsl before chopping, but I would say that is optional, given that time is of the essense, and centrifugal force is working against you in a violent spin like this.I assume that when you say "flat spin", you mean you were even with your canopy and corkscrewing down fast, not in a lazy flat turn. These tend to accelerate, so you don't want to spend a lot of time with them.Also, did the RSL pull the reserve, or did you? Either way, why wasn't the main clear before the reserve p/c came out?Carl Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
harro 0 #3 May 22, 2001 I didnt pull the reserve, the RSL did. But thats not what I did wrong!Go back to your convertions to BOC from SOS and you will have the answer!IF FIRST YOU DON'T SUCCEED, DON'T TRY SKYDIVING! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
skymedic 0 #4 May 22, 2001 I never went through a conversion. have always been boc. so what is the answer? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
harro 0 #5 May 22, 2001 Here in Oz, we start on our AFF's with old pigmys, SOS ( single operating system ), when you finish AFF's you go through a converstion to BOC. Reserve deployment goes like :DISCARDLOOKLOCATEPEEL PUNCHCHECK RIGHT THREE RINGCHECK LEFT THREE RINGPUNCHARCH CLEARI forgot to discard, so when my main cut away, my hand was still in the toggle from the main for the reserve to go through the linesIF FIRST YOU DON'T SUCCEED, DON'T TRY SKYDIVING! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
chronistin 0 #6 May 22, 2001 Well, after my first reserve, they told me: "As long as you're standing on two healthy legs, you did everything right. Which shouldn't keep you from learning from your mistakes." Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
sunnerl 0 #7 May 22, 2001 hey chronistin! du hast doch erst 36 hupfer! und troztdem schon eine reserve? was ist da passiert?barbara. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
chronistin 0 #8 May 22, 2001 ähem... what happened that i had a reserve at my 35th jump? well...short story: it was my first jump with handdeploy, and i couldn't find it long story (german) here: http://www.wortwerkstatt.at/skydiving/jump31-40.html#35btw, sunnerl, have we met? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Grogs 0 #9 May 22, 2001 QuoteWell, after my first reserve, they told me: "As long as you're standing on two healthy legs, you did everything right. Which shouldn't keep you from learning from your mistakes."No beef with you Chronistin, but I get really annoyed when I hear this type of statement. The fact you're alive does not mean you did everything right. It means you didn't do everything wrong. A person can do everything they're supposed to do, make all the right decisions, and still end up dead (Jan Davis comes to mind here). On the other hand, a person can do all sorts of stupid things like pull the cutaway handle instead of the BOC handle, roll on their back flailing, and have the Cypres deploy their reserve and save them. I have a hard time thinking that a Cypres save is 'doing everything right.' Personally, I'd rather hear something like ''You did ok there, but let's talk about what you could have done better' or even 'You're really lucky to be alive, let's talk about what you could have been better' Dead men tell no tales, but a person who's survived a successful cutaway and/or reserve deployment can and we need to all take advantage of that opportunity. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Grogs 0 #10 May 22, 2001 Oh yeah, I forgot to say... Congrats on your cutaway Harro. I'm glad you made it through ok. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
chronistin 0 #11 May 22, 2001 QuoteDead men tell no tales, but a person who's survived a successful cutaway and/or reserve deployment can and we need to all take advantage of that opportunity.Yeah, that's how I understand the "shouldn't keep you from learning from your mistakes". Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Geoff 0 #12 May 22, 2001 Can someone talk me through this procedure? The one we learned was just LOOK - LOCATE - PEEL - PUNCH - PULL - ARCH.Discard? - I guess that's the main ripcord, but I don't see that hanging on to it will cause an entanglement.What's all the checking 3 rings about?Sorry if I seem dense, but I just can't follow this and I am interested.ThanksGeoff Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
