Zennie 0 #1 May 8, 2001 .... start a new thread to continue it! Post on!------------Blue Skies!Zennie Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
cyberskydive 0 #2 May 9, 2001 Old VW bugs get great gas mileage Sometimes I just dont know-LOL D.Chisolm C-28534webmaster@sunraydesigns.comhttp://www.sunraydesigns.com Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
lazerq3 0 #3 May 9, 2001 Alls I got to say is that I'm a proud owner of a SUV and for everyone whos bitchin about them being too big ,what about the MAC Trucks on the roads, the big etra cab triton V-8 fords... you dont think they'll do some damage?? I say GO BIG OR GO HOME........ OUTTA MY WAY PEOPLE i'M COMIN THROUGH!!!!!!!! YEEEEE HAWWWWWWWWWW!!!!!!Flame on FLamers Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Zennie 0 #4 May 9, 2001 One of the funniest things I ever heard was a friend of mine who was in this horrible snowstorm. Their 4x4 got stuck in the snow & couldn't get out. The streets hadn't been plowed and were pretty much unpassable.Then the hear this bzzzzzzz. The look and here comes this VW Beetle just chugging right along through the snow. ------------Blue Skies!Zennie Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
freefallfreak 0 #5 May 9, 2001 Zennie,I drive a Pro-Street rod as an everyday ride. I get 2 1/5 miles per gallon at a cost of $1.59 per gallon. I can afford it. If the guys here don't like it, come say something to me about it in person (but ya gotta catch me first and even the cops here can't do that). And the police drive big cars here because of people like me. People who drive cars that they couldn't catch otherwise -- tee-hee -- and if anyone REALLY wants to argue about it, wait just a minute, (while I load my weapons), and we shall talk. (tee-hee) Meanwhile, I have to go to the gas station to fill up my tank...and then to the local gun shop for more ammo... see ya' later...(snicker-snicker-tee-hee-hee-waa-haaaa)...BTW, have ya' noticed that the price of a lifetime membership to the NRA is pretty cheap?? (hee-hee)FFF Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
freaksister 0 #6 May 9, 2001 Man, I am pretty pissed off and don't know how to say what I want to in a concise, polite manner. So I will just say it however it comes out. I have tried to keep this from being a flame but oh well. What I really want to say is that the issue was originally the COST of the gas, not its effect on the environment! Sure, that is an issue as well, but it is a different one than we were discussing. FFF can afford to spend 1.59 a gallon and get 2 1/2 miles per gallon? That and things like SUVs are what keep the prices higher, thanks to SUPPLY & DEMAND. Go read about it in your high school economics text! I personally, CANNOT afford that much gas, and fuck off if you think I shouldn't bitch about it. I drive six hours to get to the dropzone and most of you don't! So let me rant about the cost of gas! I have the right, thank you very much. I should be able to spend that money on jump tickets, which are also too damn high thanks to the demand for fuel. Some of us are getting it in both ends!Secondly, lay off on the vegetarians. The first thread contained several negative comments regarding people who don't eat meat. I am not vegetarian but I do find those comments offensive. Keep them to your self.If you don't like what I had to say, too bad. Get over it. I have been a member of these forums way too long to let it bother me. Blue Skies,The Sis "What we're all really seeking is something where we can feel the rapture of being alive."J.Campbell Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
lazerq3 0 #7 May 9, 2001 And while everybody is laying off the vegitarians,,, lay off the SUV owners!!!!!And the poeple that dont give a shit to pay 1.59 for gas. I dont give any shit to the jumpers walking around the DZ with there new jump suit that they really didnt need or there new fully equipped rig with everything under the sun and costumized that they really didnt need!!! I look at them and say damn nice stuff man I hope one day I can have something like that. But guess what... I got to work for it. Just like you have to work to drive to the DZ for 6 hours. I'm sorry you have drive that far but you picked this sport, and like my dad always says you gotta do what you gotta do. This is just life and some people got handed a wealthier deck than the rest of us. O'well if I have to go through all the bullshit to get there than so be it . But I will get there!!!!We may not agree on everything but at least we agree on one thing......Skydiving is one hell of sportjason Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
rhuurrr 0 #8 May 9, 2001 Shit man, $1.59 per gallon, you all should quit crying, we're paying between $2.00 and $2.25 a gallon here in Northern California! My Mustang GT may get shitty mileage, but at least it's a convertible, so the enjoyment per dollar is higher than the average drive!Jack -------------------------------http://home.pacbell.net/rhuurrr Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
freaksister 0 #9 May 9, 2001 Ok this is actually getting rather funny! heheFirst of all Lazer, when I CHOSE this sport I did NOT choose to drive six hours or to pay 1.59 and UP to do it. Also, sweet, jumpers at the DZ wearing jumpsuits they "didn't really need" shouldn't piss you off if you can afford the monthly car payment and gas of your precious little SUV!!! Answer this, smartass... besides you and your wife, who else rides in the damn thing? Do you have nine kids? If so, I apologize now. Also, if you're going to flame me back, spell properly. It's vegetarians and a bunch of other shit you misspelled. But hey! We do still agree this sport is kick ass! OOOOHHH can you take it?? LOL You know this is all in good fun don't you? Don't take true offense, man, because this is just dz.com...let's not make enemies, but be able to take it all in good fun! Your post made me laugh!! Sis"What we're all really seeking is something where we can feel the rapture of being alive."J.Campbell Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
cyberskydive 0 #10 May 9, 2001 cmon everybody - spread the love-LOLD.Chisolm C-28534webmaster@sunraydesigns.comhttp://www.sunraydesigns.com Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
wingnut 0 #11 May 9, 2001 i feel the love!!!!!!!!..............i wish i was feeling freefall instead though...... p.s. feel good guys, the cost of gas here in europe is close to $4 USD a gallon!!!! i get the "cheap" stuff on base and still pay $.47 a liter!...can't wait to get back to the good old usa and cheap gas!!!.....don't ya all remember the good old days back in 99 when gas was 89 cents a gallon????........."if dreams are like movies, then memories are like films about ghosts"-counting crows Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
skreamer 1 #12 May 9, 2001 Quote$2.00 and $2.25 a gallon here in Northern CaliforniaPlease, don't make me laugh - try just under $4 per gallon here in the UK. Also with Supply and Demand - don't those alpha and beta curves dictate that with continued demand prices should DROP as suppliers increase (ie competition) and production costs decrease? So are these price increases the direct result of a monopoly developing in the industry?/sPS Sis do you work nights and then drive 6 hours to the DZ????Yikes! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Dutchboy 0 #13 May 9, 2001 Quotedon't ya all remember the good old days back in99 when gas was 89 cents a gallonMore like 68 cents a gallon here in Georgia. Now it is more than double at $1.43 only two years later. Now that sucks. As soon as the prices went up they also raised the taxes, and of course, when the prices dropped the taxes remained. I would personally like to thank Bubba Clinton and all the rest of the Demoncrapts for that. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Dutchboy 0 #14 May 9, 2001 QuoteBTW, have ya' noticed that theprice of a lifetime membership to the NRA is pretty cheap?? (hee-hee)Actually, unless it has gone down, you would have to live a long time to make the lifetime membership cost effective. Has it come down for $750? Now, the Dutchboy likes to save money, but that is over 22 years of membership dues paid up front. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites wildblue 7 #15 May 9, 2001 That's why I take my motorcycle wherever I canyeah, that's it, I ride it for the gas mileage... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Zennie 0 #16 May 9, 2001 My gawd! How can y'all be fussing around about such trivial things as the environment, guns, and gas prices when something much more sinister is at hand? What am I talking about?LEMONS! Specifically, lemons with tequila shots! Great horny toads! At least two people have now admitted to sucking down tequila shots with .... god, I can hardly utter it.... LEMONS! Oh, what's a poor Texan to do (OK, so I'm a transplant, but why let that get in the way of a good rant)?Y'all. We gotta talk. Tequila with anything other than salt and limes... well... it just ain't right. And the proper sequence is salt lickage, shot slammage, lime suckage. Anything else is downright dangerous.Be careful out there!------------Blue Skies!Zennie Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Keys 0 #17 May 9, 2001 I've been trying to get my wife to let me get a cheap Honda Rebel or something like that. What do those things get per gallon. I might just be able to use this to get it. My Jeep is avg's about 18mpg. In Chicago prices are up to $2.10 for the cheap stuff. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites cloud9 0 #18 May 9, 2001 Well I know I'm gonna open myself up to the flame throwers now but here go's anyway.I work for an oil company. NOt in the upper level executive slots. I'm just the bottom of the food chain lowly refinery unit operator, turn crude into gasoline type.I don't know a lot but I do know this. First the cost of fuel is dictated by OPEC more then anyone else in the world. They decide how much oil they will export and at what price. The oil companies are going to make their profit no matter. They expect a minimum of 14% return. Supply and demand is a factor, however if you buy less every oil company will raise prices. Why? because the 14% profit figure. Now at some point you could boycott enough to make a difference but it would have to be A........LOT. And this may come as a shock to you all but the single most profit made on a gallon of gas in made by the government. They tax the hell out of gas. If you look in the UK I think they pay almost $4 a Gal. and the government tax is like 80%. Here the tax is right at 20%. Look at the fine print on the gas pump it will tell you how much tax your paying. The worst thing is the government has no investment. It cost them nothing to make that much, and they still want to rip your paycheck apart. Anyway thats another subject.Back last summer in the US the gas prices went way up. Everyone blamed the oil companies. The truth!!!! Bill Clinton asked OPEC to cut production, so that Russia could sell some of their oil. Because their economy was hurting so bad. OPEC did, they didn't mind cutting production but they were not going to loose profit. So more per barrel. Thats exactly what happened and the price skyrocketed because when you sell less you still have to make that 14%. Well enough rambling. I'm not saying the oil companies are not getting rich. I'm simply saying there's a lot more to it then that. The government wants you to focus on all the other aspects so you won't see how much taxes your paying.Zennie lemon, lime. What's the dif as long as it kills the taste of that nasty S it Some fun eh! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Pammi 0 #19 May 9, 2001 Hey, thanks Cloud9. I figured there was probably more to it then that they were trying to make more money because you'd think if that were true, everyone would just raise their prices on things on whim, from milk to beer to tampons...anything that's a necessity I always like hearing 'the rest of the story'. I'd love to freak out about it too, but unfortunately, I don't think the oil companies give a shit :) Pammi"The question is not whether we will die, but how we will live." http://trak.to/skydivechick Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Keys 0 #20 May 9, 2001 Lets keep this in perspective. The US encouraged Russia to export maintaing consistant supply of oil. There was no lowering of crude supply or raising of price per barrel by OPEC. And the Clinton stepped in mid summer and asked OPEC to increase supply, which they did. I doubt we'll see Bush do the same, take a look at where his money is invested.The Oil companies are recording record profits. That is annoying as it is. But most people don't realize that Environmental standards that they claim are causing the increase in price are not even in effect, further more the standards were initiated by the industry. Also keep in mind that there is accounting process allowing you to use current amortization for future expenses. The are already expensing refining processes that they aren't even using yet. And gee wiz, they still manage to record 40+% increases in profit.The federal gas tax is one of the most equitable taxes we have. It is used to pay for our crappy roads. The more you drive on them the more gas you need. So people who use the roads more pay more. Seems fair to me. My understanding is that in the UK they don't segregate tax revenue, so there you might be paying for your local VD clinic when you fill the tank. Of course you could link that by suggesting that more people get VD in the back of cars than in the bed........Thanks. I feel better. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites JohnJug 0 #21 May 9, 2001 Ok, I'm sure I will get anhialated(sp?) for this but...Are higher gas prices that bad? The reason I say this is that as the gas prices rise, we are forced to find alternatives. Several people have already mentioned that in Europe they drive smaller, more economical cars because the gas prices are so high. Also, if the prices get high enough maybe the local state and city governments will finally be pressured into getting some decent public transportation. That is one of the things that I loved about coming to Dallas from San Diego is the amount of money I save every month by riding the train to work rather than driving. In San Diego the public transportation was pretty bad. I think the closest bus stop to my work was several miles away. Of course we would also have to work on inter-city transport as well, for people like freaksis who live far away from the places they need to go.Of course the one MAJOR downfall of this argument is that even if you could get to the DZ on cheap public transport, jump ticket prices would have to go up due to the rising cost of runing the jump plane.Anyway, that's just my $0.02 and I'm sure plenty of people will dissagree.Blue, free skiesBill Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites dkearns 0 #22 May 9, 2001 I live in Kuwait with oil refineries as far as the eye can see. I costs about 7 bucks for 20 gallons of gas. Unfortunatly they do not have a dz or alcohol. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites SpeedRacer 1 #23 May 9, 2001 One problem with the USA is that many places are designed in such a way that you have to have a car to get around. There's a road that leads to my workplace in Gaithersburg MD that,clearly, it never occurred to the designers that people would ever walk along side it. It has no sidewalks and is intersected by an exit ramp from the interstate highway.Only recently has the trend begun to shift. New apartments are being built in Gaithersburg clustered together, with the shops & restaurants & movie theater clustered nearby in the style of an old, small town. Someone here at work was complaining that it looked too crowded, but I think it's great. Less urban sprawl, encouraging more pedestrian transportation, healthier people, less pollution, less fuel consumption.This is the way much of Europe is: you can often walk to wherever you need to go.We wonder why there are fuel shortages when we've designed so much of this country in such a way that you need to bring a ton of steel with you every time you want to get groceries, go to a restaurant, run errands, etc.Speed RacerBrew Skies Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites cloud9 0 #24 May 9, 2001 QuoteI'd love to freak out about it too, but unfortunately, I don't think the oil companies give a shit :) Pammi you hit it on the head!Keys sorry but I have to say it. Buuuuuuuuuull Shiiiiiiiiiiit. There was lower production by OPEC. If not why would we need to even address any other oil producers? Russia could have just thrown their oil on the market. I'm really sorry your another one of those who believes Bill Clinton (who couldn't tell the truth to save his own ass) proof Monica. Wouldn't tell the truth untill DNA forced him to. He lied about the oil to. Buy in if you want to but I know the truth. I know where our oil comes from and how much we get. Like I said before the Oil companies are getting rich. The government is too. If you don't think the government has anything to do with it. Watch how the price of oil changes with the simple movement of US troops in certain parts of the world.As for record earnings you should see what the oil companies are going through to get there. Like buying sour crude at reduced cost. The stuff takes special equipment to refine. Also a new type of shit crude from Venizuala that until recently we didn't even have the technology to get out of the ground. As for enviromental. Yes it has a great effect, our refinery spent 40 million dollars on a new sewer system. It did nothing except protect the enviroment. No other use. Now I'm not here to defend the oil companies. Like I said they will make their 14% or more. But there is a lot more to it then that!!!Equitable Tax? I don't think so! 18 wheelers are destroying the roads at record rates, and they don't come close to paying for it. You buy a new car and you pay taxes on it at the tune of 8% or more. Why? road use. How much damage does my car due in a couple of years. If you buy a new car and own it for four (4) years you will pay about $10,000 is taxes. Even if you never drive it on a federal hwy. Where is the equity in that? Thats all taxes Gas, excise etc.You are right about one thing. Thank God you'll never see Bush doing the Things Clinton did. Did you ever hear Clinton once offer to reduce taxes to get through the period of high gas prices? Has Bush already in the 1st hundred days tried to reduce taxes. (and not just for the rich it will save my family $1600 a year and I'm a long way from rich)Wew now I feel better too. No offense was intended to anyone (except that lying bastard Bill Clinton) so I hope none was taken. If so such is life....This is my last post on this subject, so slam me if ya want. I'm going back to day dreamin about skydiving. Ahhh bright blue skies, wind in my face, the smell of fuel burning uh.. oh.. not this again. ByeSome fun eh! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites what42 0 #25 May 9, 2001 Quotedon't ya all remember the good old days back in 99 when gas was 89 cents a gallon????.........I wish gas prices would go back to 99 rates. There was a gas station down the road that had gas at 71 cents a gallon for a while. Damn, you know you're starting to get older when you talk about the 'good old days.' Wesley--I want to fly! 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Dutchboy 0 #14 May 9, 2001 QuoteBTW, have ya' noticed that theprice of a lifetime membership to the NRA is pretty cheap?? (hee-hee)Actually, unless it has gone down, you would have to live a long time to make the lifetime membership cost effective. Has it come down for $750? Now, the Dutchboy likes to save money, but that is over 22 years of membership dues paid up front. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
wildblue 7 #15 May 9, 2001 That's why I take my motorcycle wherever I canyeah, that's it, I ride it for the gas mileage... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Zennie 0 #16 May 9, 2001 My gawd! How can y'all be fussing around about such trivial things as the environment, guns, and gas prices when something much more sinister is at hand? What am I talking about?LEMONS! Specifically, lemons with tequila shots! Great horny toads! At least two people have now admitted to sucking down tequila shots with .... god, I can hardly utter it.... LEMONS! Oh, what's a poor Texan to do (OK, so I'm a transplant, but why let that get in the way of a good rant)?Y'all. We gotta talk. Tequila with anything other than salt and limes... well... it just ain't right. And the proper sequence is salt lickage, shot slammage, lime suckage. Anything else is downright dangerous.Be careful out there!------------Blue Skies!Zennie Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Keys 0 #17 May 9, 2001 I've been trying to get my wife to let me get a cheap Honda Rebel or something like that. What do those things get per gallon. I might just be able to use this to get it. My Jeep is avg's about 18mpg. In Chicago prices are up to $2.10 for the cheap stuff. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
cloud9 0 #18 May 9, 2001 Well I know I'm gonna open myself up to the flame throwers now but here go's anyway.I work for an oil company. NOt in the upper level executive slots. I'm just the bottom of the food chain lowly refinery unit operator, turn crude into gasoline type.I don't know a lot but I do know this. First the cost of fuel is dictated by OPEC more then anyone else in the world. They decide how much oil they will export and at what price. The oil companies are going to make their profit no matter. They expect a minimum of 14% return. Supply and demand is a factor, however if you buy less every oil company will raise prices. Why? because the 14% profit figure. Now at some point you could boycott enough to make a difference but it would have to be A........LOT. And this may come as a shock to you all but the single most profit made on a gallon of gas in made by the government. They tax the hell out of gas. If you look in the UK I think they pay almost $4 a Gal. and the government tax is like 80%. Here the tax is right at 20%. Look at the fine print on the gas pump it will tell you how much tax your paying. The worst thing is the government has no investment. It cost them nothing to make that much, and they still want to rip your paycheck apart. Anyway thats another subject.Back last summer in the US the gas prices went way up. Everyone blamed the oil companies. The truth!!!! Bill Clinton asked OPEC to cut production, so that Russia could sell some of their oil. Because their economy was hurting so bad. OPEC did, they didn't mind cutting production but they were not going to loose profit. So more per barrel. Thats exactly what happened and the price skyrocketed because when you sell less you still have to make that 14%. Well enough rambling. I'm not saying the oil companies are not getting rich. I'm simply saying there's a lot more to it then that. The government wants you to focus on all the other aspects so you won't see how much taxes your paying.Zennie lemon, lime. What's the dif as long as it kills the taste of that nasty S it Some fun eh! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Pammi 0 #19 May 9, 2001 Hey, thanks Cloud9. I figured there was probably more to it then that they were trying to make more money because you'd think if that were true, everyone would just raise their prices on things on whim, from milk to beer to tampons...anything that's a necessity I always like hearing 'the rest of the story'. I'd love to freak out about it too, but unfortunately, I don't think the oil companies give a shit :) Pammi"The question is not whether we will die, but how we will live." http://trak.to/skydivechick Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Keys 0 #20 May 9, 2001 Lets keep this in perspective. The US encouraged Russia to export maintaing consistant supply of oil. There was no lowering of crude supply or raising of price per barrel by OPEC. And the Clinton stepped in mid summer and asked OPEC to increase supply, which they did. I doubt we'll see Bush do the same, take a look at where his money is invested.The Oil companies are recording record profits. That is annoying as it is. But most people don't realize that Environmental standards that they claim are causing the increase in price are not even in effect, further more the standards were initiated by the industry. Also keep in mind that there is accounting process allowing you to use current amortization for future expenses. The are already expensing refining processes that they aren't even using yet. And gee wiz, they still manage to record 40+% increases in profit.The federal gas tax is one of the most equitable taxes we have. It is used to pay for our crappy roads. The more you drive on them the more gas you need. So people who use the roads more pay more. Seems fair to me. My understanding is that in the UK they don't segregate tax revenue, so there you might be paying for your local VD clinic when you fill the tank. Of course you could link that by suggesting that more people get VD in the back of cars than in the bed........Thanks. I feel better. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
JohnJug 0 #21 May 9, 2001 Ok, I'm sure I will get anhialated(sp?) for this but...Are higher gas prices that bad? The reason I say this is that as the gas prices rise, we are forced to find alternatives. Several people have already mentioned that in Europe they drive smaller, more economical cars because the gas prices are so high. Also, if the prices get high enough maybe the local state and city governments will finally be pressured into getting some decent public transportation. That is one of the things that I loved about coming to Dallas from San Diego is the amount of money I save every month by riding the train to work rather than driving. In San Diego the public transportation was pretty bad. I think the closest bus stop to my work was several miles away. Of course we would also have to work on inter-city transport as well, for people like freaksis who live far away from the places they need to go.Of course the one MAJOR downfall of this argument is that even if you could get to the DZ on cheap public transport, jump ticket prices would have to go up due to the rising cost of runing the jump plane.Anyway, that's just my $0.02 and I'm sure plenty of people will dissagree.Blue, free skiesBill Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
dkearns 0 #22 May 9, 2001 I live in Kuwait with oil refineries as far as the eye can see. I costs about 7 bucks for 20 gallons of gas. Unfortunatly they do not have a dz or alcohol. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
SpeedRacer 1 #23 May 9, 2001 One problem with the USA is that many places are designed in such a way that you have to have a car to get around. There's a road that leads to my workplace in Gaithersburg MD that,clearly, it never occurred to the designers that people would ever walk along side it. It has no sidewalks and is intersected by an exit ramp from the interstate highway.Only recently has the trend begun to shift. New apartments are being built in Gaithersburg clustered together, with the shops & restaurants & movie theater clustered nearby in the style of an old, small town. Someone here at work was complaining that it looked too crowded, but I think it's great. Less urban sprawl, encouraging more pedestrian transportation, healthier people, less pollution, less fuel consumption.This is the way much of Europe is: you can often walk to wherever you need to go.We wonder why there are fuel shortages when we've designed so much of this country in such a way that you need to bring a ton of steel with you every time you want to get groceries, go to a restaurant, run errands, etc.Speed RacerBrew Skies Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
cloud9 0 #24 May 9, 2001 QuoteI'd love to freak out about it too, but unfortunately, I don't think the oil companies give a shit :) Pammi you hit it on the head!Keys sorry but I have to say it. Buuuuuuuuuull Shiiiiiiiiiiit. There was lower production by OPEC. If not why would we need to even address any other oil producers? Russia could have just thrown their oil on the market. I'm really sorry your another one of those who believes Bill Clinton (who couldn't tell the truth to save his own ass) proof Monica. Wouldn't tell the truth untill DNA forced him to. He lied about the oil to. Buy in if you want to but I know the truth. I know where our oil comes from and how much we get. Like I said before the Oil companies are getting rich. The government is too. If you don't think the government has anything to do with it. Watch how the price of oil changes with the simple movement of US troops in certain parts of the world.As for record earnings you should see what the oil companies are going through to get there. Like buying sour crude at reduced cost. The stuff takes special equipment to refine. Also a new type of shit crude from Venizuala that until recently we didn't even have the technology to get out of the ground. As for enviromental. Yes it has a great effect, our refinery spent 40 million dollars on a new sewer system. It did nothing except protect the enviroment. No other use. Now I'm not here to defend the oil companies. Like I said they will make their 14% or more. But there is a lot more to it then that!!!Equitable Tax? I don't think so! 18 wheelers are destroying the roads at record rates, and they don't come close to paying for it. You buy a new car and you pay taxes on it at the tune of 8% or more. Why? road use. How much damage does my car due in a couple of years. If you buy a new car and own it for four (4) years you will pay about $10,000 is taxes. Even if you never drive it on a federal hwy. Where is the equity in that? Thats all taxes Gas, excise etc.You are right about one thing. Thank God you'll never see Bush doing the Things Clinton did. Did you ever hear Clinton once offer to reduce taxes to get through the period of high gas prices? Has Bush already in the 1st hundred days tried to reduce taxes. (and not just for the rich it will save my family $1600 a year and I'm a long way from rich)Wew now I feel better too. No offense was intended to anyone (except that lying bastard Bill Clinton) so I hope none was taken. If so such is life....This is my last post on this subject, so slam me if ya want. I'm going back to day dreamin about skydiving. Ahhh bright blue skies, wind in my face, the smell of fuel burning uh.. oh.. not this again. ByeSome fun eh! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
what42 0 #25 May 9, 2001 Quotedon't ya all remember the good old days back in 99 when gas was 89 cents a gallon????.........I wish gas prices would go back to 99 rates. There was a gas station down the road that had gas at 71 cents a gallon for a while. Damn, you know you're starting to get older when you talk about the 'good old days.' Wesley--I want to fly! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
