slave2ink68 0 #1 January 22, 2015 HELLO EVERYONE WAS HOPING SOME OF YOU COULD POINT ME IN THE RIGHT DIRECTION WITH WOLMARI PACKING I HAVE A BRAND NEW VOLT 185 AND GETTING THIS THING IN THE BAG IS KILLING ME I HAVE READ A LOT ABOUT THE WOLMARI PACKING STYLE HOWEVER IM JUST NOT FULLY GRABBING THE METHOD. DOES ANYONE KNOW OF A VIDEO THAT WALKS THROUGH EACH STEP OR WOULD ANYONE CONSIDER MAKING ONE. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ineed2fly 0 #2 January 22, 2015 WHY ARE WE YELLING?"As soon as you're born you start dying. So you might as well, have a good time." -CAKE I'm crazy not stupid. There is a difference. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
medic0079 0 #3 January 23, 2015 No more caps please. I started using the womari method for the past 10 jumps or so. I can't believe I haven't been doing it for years. I can't speak to the usefulness of preventing line overs or not. Never had one either way, but it definitely makes for a nicer pack job. The only real difference in packing is minimal roll before laying on the floor and tucking the tips of the triangle formed forward instead of under the parachute. ill post some pics in a few minutes Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
medic0079 0 #4 January 23, 2015 So it's a lot harder to snap pics while packing than I thought but this should give you an idea. you got any specific questions let me know. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
slave2ink68 0 #5 January 23, 2015 Thank you that was actually very helpful[ Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
medic0079 0 #6 January 23, 2015 yup. I found that smoothing the top skin before folding helps a lot. I usually start bottom center the work it towards the corners bottom then top. It makes for a super neat pack job. the pics didn't turn out as clean as it usually is as I had to keep letting go of the canopy to snap pictures. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
strife 0 #7 January 23, 2015 there is a link here in wayback as well http://web.archive.org/web/20010827230643/http://www.parasale.com/wolmari/wpages/wolmarpack.html Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Cambalectri 0 #8 January 24, 2015 slave2ink68Thank you that was actually very helpful[ I have tried the Wolmari packing....many times.... better openings for sure ; however in my case, the deployment was a lot faster ! I should maybe try again and perfect the technique ! Perfect for hop 'n pops ! Easier to do and similar concerning placing the canopy into the bag as with the standard pro-packing ! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
slave2ink68 0 #9 January 27, 2015 So you roll the tail and lay it down with the label up then do your two folds? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
medic0079 0 #10 January 27, 2015 Yes I put the bag above it for size reference once on the ground. Pro pack normally but don't roll as tightly only do a couple light rolls lay it on the ground get air out flatten the top and bottom skins toward the bag then fold the corners toward you about 3 to 4 inches wider than the bag. Then s fold like any other pack job and stuff in the bag if I get around to it I'll try and make a video tonight as there really aren't any Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Cambalectri 0 #11 January 27, 2015 slave2ink68So you roll the tail and lay it down with the label up then do your two folds? If you open the Wolmari address, given by Strife, above, you follow exactly all the images showed, from #1 to 13 . For me, the important procedure, is to have right amount of roll, before putting the canopy on the floor; therefore, having the desired opening ! Usually, I roll the tail 3 to 4 times only, trying not to disturb the suspension lines... However, from what I have seen in Europe, many are rolling the tail a lot more , when using the Wolmari packing method! Therefore, at this time, I feel that is why I had faster openings using the Wolmari packing technique ! Hence, using it only for Hop,n Pops ! Also, Image # 9, on the site, is what you want ! This packing method makes sense, having the the tail away from the front of the canopy ! As I said before , I had the best openings with this packing method, however, I still need to know the right amount of roll for the tail for my canopy.... As well, a particular size of a canopy may play a role in the opening !?! Possibly, the Wolmari website doesn't exist anymore ? I know, a few years ago, you could even asked questions on the website ! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
medic0079 0 #12 January 28, 2015 I made a video I'll post it tomorrow when I get a chance. Music suggestions? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
medic0079 0 #13 January 28, 2015 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hmwYrsraqwk&feature=youtu.be Me packing Wolmari Video IDK if you don't like the music. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
slave2ink68 0 #14 January 28, 2015 Great video I really appreciate it another question that I have when you do a normal pack the piece of material leading up to the bridal is usually on top and when you tuck all of your material underneath the canopy as you deflated that piece remains on top I noticed when you do the pack in the video that tab that attaches to the bridal is now centered in the canopy where are you stuffing all of your extra material to avoid not trapping where the bridal attaches to the canopy Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
medic0079 0 #15 January 29, 2015 I usually just keep pulling on the bridal to keep it out and free I roll the excess material into the upper fold. I kept the initial s fold a little too long on the pack job in the video and usually have more material on the top but every pack job is different and that's how this one worked out. I usually keep pulling the bridal so that it had some room in the bag though. I just got this container so it's the first few pack jobs on it. This bag is split. I ordered a stowless for it. I hate the split bag. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
slave2ink68 0 #16 January 30, 2015 speaking of stowless d bags ive been thinking about buying one as well however i wasnt sure if the bad has to be made for my container or if the bag just needs to be meausred with the same dementions as my current d bag? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Cambalectri 0 #17 January 30, 2015 slave2ink68speaking of stowless d bags ive been thinking about buying one as well however i wasnt sure if the bad has to be made for my container or if the bag just needs to be meausred with the same dementions as my current d bag? If you are happy with you present main canopy d-bag, as for fit, you could contact your container manufacturer, they could provide you, maybe, with a stowless d-bag ! For example, you can get for the Vector III a very nice stowless d-bag ! Usually, a stowless main canopy bag is the same size as the original cotton or nylon d-bag which came with your rig ... If you container manufacturer doesn't provide a stowless bag, Jerry Baumchem, for example, has a very nice one ! It can be found on ChutingStar ! They will provide you with all the fine details. Make sure you turn your present d-bag inside out for the measurements, including the tape on the side of the bag in your calculation ! Hoping this help... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Hellis 0 #18 February 2, 2015 Cambalectri For example, you can get for the Vector III a very nice stowless d-bag ! UPT makes stowless bags now too? I only knew of the semi-stowless Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Cambalectri 0 #19 February 2, 2015 Hellis*** For example, you can get for the Vector III a very nice stowless d-bag ! UPT makes stowless bags now too? I only knew of the semi-stowless Particular on words ! Yes, most are ''semi-stowless'' and also the one, from UPT ! However, I believe, a few manufacturers might still used an all magnet D-bag ! Please have a look at the VASST Training videos, a very nice collection of videos at the PIA 2013...showing various manufacturers and their products.... especially UPT and Gerry Baumchen ( No Sto Bag ) giving a useful description of their '' semi-stowless '' bag ..... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Hellis 0 #20 February 2, 2015 Cambalectri****** For example, you can get for the Vector III a very nice stowless d-bag ! UPT makes stowless bags now too? I only knew of the semi-stowless Particular on words ! Yes, most are ''semi-stowless'' and also the one, from UPT ! However, I believe, a few manufacturers might still used an all magnet D-bag ! Please have a look at the VASST Training videos, a very nice collection of videos at the PIA 2013...showing various manufacturers and their products.... especially UPT and Gerry Baumchen ( No Sto Bag ) giving a useful description of their '' semi-stowless '' bag ..... I'm not nitpicking, but different things have different names. Some people choose semi stowless because they really want semi stowless. And some choose stowless because they don't like the rubberbands. I choosed a stowless with only magnets because I don't like rubberbands and I don't like the tuktabs some stowless bags have. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Cambalectri 0 #21 February 2, 2015 Hellis********* For example, you can get for the Vector III a very nice stowless d-bag ! UPT makes stowless bags now too? I only knew of the semi-stowless Particular on words ! Yes, most are ''semi-stowless'' and also the one, from UPT ! However, I believe, a few manufacturers might still used an all magnet D-bag ! Please have a look at the VASST Training videos, a very nice collection of videos at the PIA 2013...showing various manufacturers and their products.... especially UPT and Gerry Baumchen ( No Sto Bag ) giving a useful description of their '' semi-stowless '' bag ..... I'm not nitpicking, but different things have different names. Some people choose semi stowless because they really want semi stowless. And some choose stowless because they don't like the rubberbands. I choosed a stowless with only magnets because I don't like rubberbands and I don't like the tuktabs some stowless bags have. Fine ! Fair enough ! Gerry Baumchen is calling his D-bag a " No Sto Bag '' and it has two rubberbands! ( a nice bag ) As you said, different things has different names ! Please explain that one ! Personally, I do not like all magnets bags; many had issues with them. However, possibly, it's a question of construction, technique and the chosen magnets ? Perhaps, an all magnet bag is more popular in Europe. Naturally, it's a question of choice and opinion !... If you take the time to view the UPT video, with Greg Rau , he provide a good explanation why ! Also, who said that you have to use rubberbands ! I don't ! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Hellis 0 #22 February 3, 2015 Cambalectri Fine ! Fair enough ! Gerry Baumchen is calling his D-bag a " No Sto Bag '' and it has two rubberbands! ( a nice bag ) As you said, different things has different names ! Please explain that one ! Personally, I do not like all magnets bags; many had issues with them. However, possibly, it's a question of construction, technique and the chosen magnets ? Perhaps, an all magnet bag is more popular in Europe. Naturally, it's a question of choice and opinion !... If you take the time to view the UPT video, with Greg Rau , he provide a good explanation why ! Also, who said that you have to use rubberbands ! I don't ! Are you asking me why Jerry calls his bag "NoStoBag"? I can't answer that. But the only thing I can think of is that Jerry means no line stows (not locking stows). The name of a product may sometimes be missleading, keep that in mind. Walk in to any low cost store and you will find batteries called "Super extra heavy duty max 2000 exxxtreme". They are not as good as they sound. I'm not saying Jerry is missleading with the name of his bag, anyone can see that it has rubberbands. Stowless and semi-stowless are not names, it's categories of bags in my opinion. Just as sportscars, smartphones etc. As an example, a Renault clio sport is not really a sportscar is it? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Cambalectri 0 #23 February 3, 2015 Hellis*** Fine ! Fair enough ! Gerry Baumchen is calling his D-bag a " No Sto Bag '' and it has two rubberbands! ( a nice bag ) As you said, different things has different names ! Please explain that one ! Personally, I do not like all magnets bags; many had issues with them. However, possibly, it's a question of construction, technique and the chosen magnets ? Perhaps, an all magnet bag is more popular in Europe. Naturally, it's a question of choice and opinion !... If you take the time to view the UPT video, with Greg Rau , he provide a good explanation why ! Also, who said that you have to use rubberbands ! I don't ! Are you asking me why Jerry calls his bag "NoStoBag"? I can't answer that. But the only thing I can think of is that Jerry means no line stows (not locking stows). The name of a product may sometimes be missleading, keep that in mind. Walk in to any low cost store and you will find batteries called "Super extra heavy duty max 2000 exxxtreme". They are not as good as they sound. I'm not saying Jerry is missleading with the name of his bag, anyone can see that it has rubberbands. Stowless and semi-stowless are not names, it's categories of bags in my opinion. Just as sportscars, smartphones etc. As an example, a Renault clio sport is not really a sportscar is it? My intention, here, is not to have a debate with you about '' wording '' . What I said, is that generally speaking, when someone mentioned that he or she has bought a new '' stowless main bag '' , we assume it's a ''similar'' device to a reserve deployment bag...and that' about it !... ...whatever they have magnets, rubberbands or not ! Should they wish to provide more details concerning their particular D-bag, especially with magnets, this his is fine, also. However, I understand your point, precision in describing a piece of equipment is important ! No debate here ! Still , I would be a lot more interested to know what are your experience with an all magnet main deployment bag, the comments from Greg Rau from UPT concerning their ''semi-stowless '' bag and the Wolmari packing method....if you wish to come back to the original topics. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Hellis 0 #24 February 3, 2015 I have never had any issues in the air with the all magnetic bag I have. But packing it can be tricky in the begining with the magnets. But once you learn how to place the bag without is slamming shut while S-folding it's really simple to use. I like it so much I will probably never change to something else. Never packed wolmari on a skydive parachute, but used a similar method on my BASE canopy a few times with good result. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
slave2ink68 0 #25 February 3, 2015 well that escalated pretty fast...thank you for all of your knowledge however being new to the sport im even more confused at this point whats the edifference between a smi stoless and fully stoless bag can anyone send me some links showing me both and the difference between the two what i have seen in person was a bad that had three rubberbands to close the d bad and then then rest of the lines where lassoed in a figure 8 style and secured with two folding flaps Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
