redwing120 0 #1 January 24, 2015 Recently I found one corner on the reserve handle pocket with damage (see photo). I currently fly a wingsuit but I don't think this is the cause because the wingsuit doesn't hit that spot and the damage is inside the pocket. My rigger can't figure out what caused the damage. The strange thing is, it's just the reserve but not the cutaway. Any clues? Thanks so much!!David Di Filippo redwing120@gmail.com 828-768-5309 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
mcordell 2 #2 January 24, 2015 That looks an awful lot like Velcro damage. It looks like at some point (maybe after a repack) the reserve handle was inserted with the Velcro not fully mated inside the pocket which left the hook side exposed against the webbing. If that's the case, normal handling of the container and manipulation of the harness would cause the Velcro to rub and fray the webbing. Your rigger can clean it up as long as the stitching isn't broken or severely damaged but it looks pretty rough.www.facebook.com/FlintHillsRigging Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
likestojump 3 #3 January 24, 2015 Could it be the handle's hook velcro causing wear on the webbing when the webbing is pushed onto it when you are sitting down ? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
redwing120 0 #4 January 24, 2015 Thanks for your help! I live very close to the Javelin manufacture so I might go there and see what they can do.David Di Filippo redwing120@gmail.com 828-768-5309 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
fluffyduckie 6 #5 January 24, 2015 When you visit Sun Path, take your wing suit with you. They may want to see you fully geared to help determine the cause."I love when humans fly," Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
riggerrob 643 #6 January 24, 2015 Yes, that looks like Velcro was been chewing on your harness. After you get the harness repaired, snip the last 1/2 inch (1 cm) of hook Velcro, or cover it with pile Velcro. Is the yellow thread broken on one of those pieces of webbing? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
redwing120 0 #7 January 25, 2015 Thanks. Yes, the yellow thread inside is broken. What do you suggest?David Di Filippo redwing120@gmail.com 828-768-5309 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
councilman24 37 #8 January 25, 2015 If the yellow thread is broken the strength of the webbing is significantly decreased. Around 30%. Webbing needs to be replaced.I'm old for my age. Terry Urban D-8631 FAA DPRE Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
mark 107 #9 January 25, 2015 councilman24If the yellow thread is broken the strength of the webbing is significantly decreased. Around 30%. Webbing needs to be replaced. I agree. But playing devil's advocate: 70% of 6000 pounds is still in excess of the 4000 pound strength we'd have if the harness were Type-8 instead of Type-7. We know Type-8 harnesses are strong enough. This harness won't break on the next jump, so why not make a jump, inspect, make another jump, inspect, etc. to see if the fray gets worse? Maybe the harness would last until it needs resizing for the next owner. Mark Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
RiggerLee 61 #10 January 25, 2015 That actually sound really reasonable and a lot of us took that approach for many years till that Javelin harness blew up. Then we started looking more carefully at how the strength degraded and we started to realize how critical the edges of the webbing were... LeeLee lee@velocitysportswear.com www.velocitysportswear.com Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
mcordell 2 #11 January 25, 2015 RiggerLeeThat actually sound really reasonable and a lot of us took that approach for many years till that Javelin harness blew up. Then we started looking more carefully at how the strength degraded and we started to realize how critical the edges of the webbing were... Lee If it was the main we are talking about I would agree that seems reasonable but it's the MLW. If that breaks then everything is screwed. It's not like you can deploy a reserve MLW. Replacing it isn't that expensive and increases the likelihood your friends won't have to help clean you up off the dz before jumping resumes.www.facebook.com/FlintHillsRigging Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
riggerrob 643 #12 January 25, 2015 Amusing debate!!! However no rigger will repack that reserve until the damaged webbing is replaced. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
wolfriverjoe 1,523 #13 January 25, 2015 riggerrobAmusing debate!!! However no rigger will repack that reserve until the damaged webbing is replaced. Some might. I wouldn't, I was taught that if the colored threads along the edges is damaged, then the harness is unairworthy. But I wouldn't be too surprised if someone, somewhere would pack it."There are NO situations which do not call for a French Maid outfit." Lucky McSwervy "~ya don't GET old by being weak & stupid!" - Airtwardo Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
gowlerk 2,216 #14 January 25, 2015 My understanding is that the colored thread is an identifier, not a wear indicator. Type 7 webbing has convenient yellow tracers, but other harness webbing does not, even though it is also significantly weakened when the selvedge is damaged. The key is broken threads on the edge, which is much worse than a damaged thread in the weave further inboard. Don't rely on the tracer as an indicator of integrity, that is not it's function.Always remember the brave children who died defending your right to bear arms. Freedom is not free. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
mcordell 2 #15 January 25, 2015 wolfriverjoe***Amusing debate!!! However no rigger will repack that reserve until the damaged webbing is replaced. Some might. I wouldn't, I was taught that if the colored threads along the edges is damaged, then the harness is unairworthy. But I wouldn't be too surprised if someone, somewhere would pack it. I wouldn't pack it either.www.facebook.com/FlintHillsRigging Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
