Who exits first ?

[ozzy13 0]

I ask this question because every time I go to a new DZ they do it different. Some people think free fliers should go first because they don't drift as much and fall faster and if you do it this way there will be less pattern traffic . If bellies go first they drift and fall slower and the free fliers fall faster and that means more people in the pattern . So my question is witch is better ?

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[icevideot 0]

That is a great question but it has been beat to death on here. Search the forums for "exit order" and if you still have questions you can explain your position and the people here will try to help. At the end of the day you exit in the order the dzo and pilot agree on or you have the right to take your business elsewhere. There is one fine dz that I only attend for certain events because of this. When there I follow their rules.

Peace,
Robin

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[freeflyimpaired 0]

I've seen it done different ways at different DZ's but I think pretty much everybody is using the Bellyfliers before Freefliers method. The drift issue is that Flatfliers WILL drift more and since the plane is usually flying into the wind, if they were to leave after the Freefliers (who don't drift as much) there is the potential for them to drift over the top of the Freefliers.

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[ozzy13 0]

Then you have the problem of everyone trying to land at the same time and the chance of a canopy collision, I would think

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[popsjumper 2]

If you're all trying to land on a postage stamp, maybe...if that's the case, go to a bigger DZ.

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[rehmwa 2]

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Then you have the problem of everyone trying to land at the same time and the chance of a canopy collision, I would think

It's bad choice to compromise intelligent exit order to deal with landing traffic.

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[diverds 0]

We did an in depth discussion on exit separation with Bill Von Novak on Skydive Radio #46. You can check it out here Show #46

Skydive Radio

[ozzy13 0]

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We did an in depth discussion on exit separation with Bill Von Novak on Skydive Radio #46. You can check it out here Show #46

Thanks this helped answer a LOT of questions!!!!!

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[ozzy13 0]

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Then you have the problem of everyone trying to land at the same time and the chance of a canopy collision, I would think

It's bad choice to compromise intelligent exit order to deal with landing traffic.

I am just trying to look at the hole picture but thanks

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[ozzy13 0]

this helped too

http://www.iit.edu/~kallend/skydive/freefall.exe

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[slotperfect 7]

This was cross-posted in two forums, which is against the Forum Rules. In the future, please choose the best topical forum that fits your subject and post it once. You might also try a forum search first; as others have said this subject has been discussed in much detail by many highly qualified people.

This thread is the one that was posted in General Skydiving - it had more replies so I recycled the duplicate in S&T and shifted this one here in its place.

Arrive Safely

John

[ozzy13 0]

Sorry I didnt know witch one to put it in

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[slotperfect 7]

No biggie . . . feel free to ask one of the Moderators via PM next time if you're not sure - we'll point you in the right direction!

Arrive Safely

John

[ozzy13 0]

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No biggie . . . feel free to ask one of the Moderators via PM next time if you're not sure - we'll point you in the right direction!

Thanks

Never give the gates up and always trust your rears!

[johnny1488 1]

There are these yellow things on our parachutes that can make us descend slower. Just cause we open on the same level, doesn't mean we have to land at the same time.

Horizontal seperation is way more important than vertical seperation.

Johnny
--"This ain't no book club, we're all gonna die!"
Mike Rome

[recovercrachead 0]

mines red what are the yellow things u have????

Track high, Pull LOW!!!

[packing_jarrett 0]

To compromise both the arguements it would be a lot better if the jump run was crosswind and freefliers would go first. You get the same if not more horizontal seperation with the same verticle seperation.

Na' Cho' Cheese

[johnny1488 1]

That puts almost every jumper off the wind line. Where is the issue with belly out first? I really don't see the issue.

Johnny
--"This ain't no book club, we're all gonna die!"
Mike Rome

[billvon 2,998]

>it would be a lot better if the jump run was crosswind and freefliers would go first.

That would work if:

a) people could spot crosswind jump runs (most people have trouble with into-the-wind jump runs)

b) you could get people out fast enough (might mean more go-arounds)

>You get the same if not more horizontal seperation

You get LESS separation than you would get if RW was out first. However, you don't get any additional loss of separation - so if two RW groups needed 10 seconds of separation, then an RW group can leave 10 seconds after a freefly group and still be OK.

There's an additional issue to consider. Due to the geometry of the jump run, freeflyers will open and head in the direction that the RW groups will be opening in. If an RW person has a mal and cuts away, they may be going into freefall over the returning freeflyers. This isn't sufficient to make this a bad method, since this effect exists even with standard into-the-wind jump runs.

[ozzy13 0]

after posting this I checked out some of the links that people posted . It makes sense to me now why RW go out first . The skydive radio one made alot of sense and the simulator shows that it is safer for them to go first. My other concern was the canopy traffic . I thought if the the freefliers went first it would be less traffic , but now I reather deal with the traffic then have someone go threw my canopy . Thanks to everyone for there help

Never give the gates up and always trust your rears!