outrager 6 #1 August 31, 2015 There is a major thread developing on http://www.skycentre.net/index.php?showtopic=22276&st=100 about PD reserves bought second-hand, that on closer inspection show a fake label and signs of tampering/repair/rebuild. So far 3 cases have come up in Russia, and the canopies may have originated from Poland. Please be aware of this scam if you buy a cheap second-hand reserve canopy, and be especially conscious about any bulk buyers of expired reserves online. bsbd! Yuri. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
achikin 0 #2 August 31, 2015 That statement about Poland is a little bit of speculation. Here is what has happened: One of Russian skydivers has bought a used PDR-176 for a relatively low price. Later he has become suspicious about it's coloring and further inspection has shown that the label has been reattached. He has contacted PD and they responded that PDR with this SN should be solid yellow. [Image]http://www.dropzone.com/cgi-bin/forum/gforum.cgi?do=post_attachment;postatt_id=146811;[/Image] [Image]http://www.dropzone.com/cgi-bin/forum/gforum.cgi?do=post_attachment;postatt_id=146812;[/Image] [Image]http://www.dropzone.com/cgi-bin/forum/gforum.cgi?do=post_attachment;postatt_id=146813;[/Image] Later one more guy has shown up, stating that he has bought PDR-126 from the same seller and it also has the signs of label reattachment. [Image]http://www.dropzone.com/cgi-bin/forum/gforum.cgi?do=post_attachment;postatt_id=146814;[/Image] [Image]http://www.dropzone.com/cgi-bin/forum/gforum.cgi?do=post_attachment;postatt_id=146815;[/Image] [Image]http://www.dropzone.com/cgi-bin/forum/gforum.cgi?do=post_attachment;postatt_id=146816;[/Image] [Image]http://www.dropzone.com/cgi-bin/forum/gforum.cgi?do=post_attachment;postatt_id=146817;[/Image] [Image]http://www.dropzone.com/cgi-bin/forum/gforum.cgi?do=post_attachment;postatt_id=146818;[/Image] Finally the third buyer showed up, providing pictures of a PDR-126 with a label replaced and SN identical to the second guy's PDR-126. [Image]http://www.dropzone.com/cgi-bin/forum/gforum.cgi?do=post_attachment;postatt_id=146819;[/Image] [Image]http://www.dropzone.com/cgi-bin/forum/gforum.cgi?do=post_attachment;postatt_id=146820;[/Image] Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Joellercoaster 6 #3 August 31, 2015 There are at least two different serial numbers in those photos. It's hard to tell how many canopies there are... can you fill us in a bit?-- "I'll tell you how all skydivers are judged, . They are judged by the laws of physics." - kkeenan "You jump out, pull the string and either live or die. What's there to be good at? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
mrbad 0 #4 August 31, 2015 There are three different canopies on that pics. Two of them - PR126, have same serial number on "labels". Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
piisfish 140 #5 August 31, 2015 At least they have new labels scissors beat paper, paper beat rock, rock beat wingsuit - KarlM Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
hackish 8 #6 August 31, 2015 I think this is a bigger problem we all need to start preparing for. What do you do when knockoff rigs, canopies and such start polluting our industry? The aviation industry ran into this a number of years ago when a knockoff part spilled some blood. How can we avoid the same situation? Should all the manufacturers provide a means of registering and assigning serial numbers? May not be a stupid idea before someone goes in under a reserve that's only meant to "look" like the real thing. -Michael Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
achikin 0 #7 August 31, 2015 The last picture shows two different labels from two different parachutes. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
phoenixlpr 0 #8 August 31, 2015 Some Polish guy was looking for old, 20 years old reserves to buy, mostly interested from PD.I was wondering why.... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Glitch 0 #9 August 31, 2015 ...and both showing the same serial no. Randomly f'n thingies up since before I was born... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
gowlerk 2,193 #10 September 1, 2015 phoenixlprSome Polish guy was looking for old, 20 years old reserves to buy, mostly interested from PD.I was wondering why.... That guy is a regular here, and he's good. He buys 20 YO reserves in Poland because there is a rule there that says reserves can't be older than that. He then sells them as 20 YO reserves. He buys and sells openly in the classifieds. I've dealt with him and he has always been very honest.Always remember the brave children who died defending your right to bear arms. Freedom is not free. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites