It is Time for This Nonsense to Stop!

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washingtonpost.com
Pledge Declared Unconstitutional


By David Kravets
Associated Press Writer
Wednesday, June 26, 2002; 2:22 PM

SAN FRANCISCO –– A federal appeals court ruled Wednesday that the Pledge of Allegiance is an unconstitutional endorsement of religion and cannot be recited in schools.


© 2002 The Associated Press

Blue skies,

Jim

[freeflir29 0]

Yeah....might give kids the idea that God, honor, and country is a bad thing to hold in high regard. What a bunch of idiots.....

[scottbre 0]

Ever notice how they make all the cool improvements after you are already out of school?

"Your mother's full of stupidjuice!"
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[caseyusa 0]

Didn't hear about this.. hmm.. ignorance was bliss!

This stuff just makes me

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[Lindsey 0]

Yeah.....and I understand that at some school (in LA, I believe....probably more than one) kids can't play tag on the playground either! Private school is becoming a better and better option.....

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[Dumpster 0]

You have GOT to be F*ckin kidding me- How long before some damn bastard complains about "In God We Trust" on the currency? I surprised it hasn't happened yet!

Easy Does It

[skydiventom 0]

In God We Trust.... All others pay cash.

"Time flies like an arrow, fruit flies like a banana" -Groucho Marx- "Tom flies like a rock" -Tom Carson-

[freeflir29 0]

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kids can't play tag on the playground either!

No No...thats Kids can't SPRAY PAINT their tags on the playground.

[quade 4]

Full story here . . .

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/articles/A49515-2002Jun26.html

The problem appears to be the the phrase "under God" which, and I know I'll get flack for this, I agree with. That is to say, the phrase has no business being in there.

Congress did a lot of wacky stuff in the mid-50s trying to prove that we were somehow different than the commies. This was one of them.

The country had gone a lot of years without this phrase and survived just fine.

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How long before some damn bastard complains about "In God We Trust" on the currency?

And that's ANOTHER wacky thing Congress added in the mid-50s to "prove" we were different than the Commies. Again, we survived just fine for many, many years without that as well.

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[freeflir29 0]

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Congress did a lot of wacky stuff in the mid-50s trying to prove that we were somehow different than the commies

And it seems that these days "The public" wants to be more like them by outlawing all references to religion in daily life. Idiots

[diverdriver 5]

And our money is next. It says "In God we trust". That's got to go too. Separation of Church and State.

Chris

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And it seems that these days "The public" wants to be more like them by outlawing all references to religion in daily life. Idiots

No. I don't think so. Just do what is called for in the U.S. Constitution and separate Church and State.

Pretty simple really.

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[PhillyKev 0]

That quote you put up is a little off. They didn't say the pledge of allegiance couldn't be recited in schools. A little further down in the article they state what the court actually ruled:

"The 9th U.S. Circuit Court of Appeals overturned a 1954 act of Congress inserting the phrase "under God" after the words "one nation" in the pledge. "

They effectively modified the pledge so that it can be used in schools without violating the requirement for separation of church and state. I think that's a valid and proper ruling.

[skygeek 0]

Can you Quote the section of the Constitution where is says anything about the seperation of church and state? Try.......

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[Sebazz1 2]

Are there not more important things our high courts should be considering? What is the big deal?

[Muenkel 0]

Why is the mention of God so offensive to so many people, but we tolerate the trash the media spills out daily via television, internet, magazines, newspapers, etc.?

I find it amazing that those who have a problem with "In God we Trust" are usually the same people who completely trusted former President Clinton.

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Chris

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Are there not more important things our high courts should be considering? What is the big deal?

There's nothing more important in life than the small things. Because we can settle small things like this fairly in court Americans don't have to resort to civil unrest where crowds of citizens storm police hiding behind body shields firing tear gas.

Personally, if the founding fathers of our country didn't need "under God" or "in God we trust" then we don't.

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>And it seems that these days "The public" wants to be more like them by outlawing all references to religion in daily life. Idiots <

last i heard in America you had freedom of religion. This also entails freedom of no religion. I know quite a few people that do not believe in any god. One of the most true things I have ever heard went like this
“people are always so willing to share their religious beliefs with you but are less willing to hear yours especially if it differs from theirs”
Now I am not trying to start a huge argument about religion but many people forget that some people do not believe in any form of religion. That is why religion is being taken out of the schools and government.
Also to all the flamers out there
1) I am not trying to start a debate over religion.
2) everyone is entitled to their own religious beliefs that is one of the reasons that peopled moved to America.
3) this is just my opinion. I am not trying to start any arguments or debates.
I am sorry if i have offended anyone out thier. that was not my intentions.

if fun were easy it wouldn't be worth having, right?

[bbarnhouse 0]

If you agree with this Quade.......then it also must be time to change our currancy. "In God we trust" is printed on every bill and coin. I say it's all falderaaal......(that's a nice way of saying pig shit!)

[PhillyKev 0]

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Can you Quote the section of the Constitution where is says anything about the seperation of church and state? Try.......

Ok...hmmm, let's see...a little thing called the Bill of Rights

Amendment I

Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the government for a redress of grievances.

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[Cloudi 0]

***Are there not more important things our high courts should be considering? What is the big deal?

[diverdriver 5]

I hated Clinton from the start. But the MTV generation voted him in.

I believe in the Constitution. We can't pray openly at public schools. I don't see that as a problem. I went to Catholic schools all my life except for a few years. We should honor separation of church and state. I don't have a problem with "In God we trust". Just that it's on our money is not separating Church and State. What if some citizens don't believe in "God". It is not fair to them to have to read it on their money.

Why is it a problem to take "In God We Trust" off our money?

Chris

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Ok...hmmm, let's see...a little thing called the Bill of Rights

Amendment I

Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the government for a redress of grievances.

The above quote doesn't say anything about the separation of church and state. All it says is that you can't pass laws favoring one religion over another.


Try again....

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[PhillyKev 0]

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I find it amazing that those who have a problem with "In God we Trust" are usually the same people who completely trusted former President Clinton.

I find it amazing that people who are supposedly gods most devout servants molest children. Actually, I don't find it amazing. After all, in my opinion, religion is a human created method of influencing others to adhere to someone's set of moral values.

To me, making children state that they live in a nation "under god" is akin to stating that they live in a nation "ruled by the Easter bunny". I understand that this may offend some of you, but I'm not going to make you say it. So why should I or anyone else be forced to say, or rather, PLEDGE something that may offend them?