JohnRich 4 #101 March 10, 2004 Quote...most children have not changed. Children don't understand why playing with a cap gun at home is harmless fun, but bringing it to school is a serious crime. They don't understand how a drawing threatens anybody. They don't understand how a creative writing assignment suddenly turns from an essay into a psychological evaluation when one of the characters gets shot. I'm with the kids - I don't understand either... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
JohnRich 4 #102 March 10, 2004 QuoteI often brought my rifle or shotgun to High School in my pickup, if I planned on hunting or shooting after school. It was no big deal back in the 60's and most farm kids I knew did the same. When I was just twelve years old I walked into a sporting good store and bought a new 22 rifle that I had saved up for and walked out of the store with it alone. You can't do that now days. Let's see, in the 60's gun were readily available to nearly everyone, with few restrictions, and no one went around shooting up schools or anyone else. Fast forward to today: guns are more difficult to obtain, and more highly restricted. But some kids go shoot up their classmates, and we have numerous mass murderers. So what's responsible for this change for the worse? The anti-gun folks would have us believe it's the guns... That's completely illogical, of course. But logic doesn't enter into their thought processes. The real thing that has changed, is our *culture*. That's what is responsible for trend toward more shootings. But no one wants to do anything about that. We're all too busy with both parents working jobs to acquire large homes and have two SUV's in the driveway, to worry about being good parents... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
JohnRich 4 #103 March 24, 2004 Another story: Honor Student Suspended For Bringing Plastic Gun To School "A teenager was suspended for bringing a plastic air gun to school for use as a prop in an anti-drug video... 'Paul is a good kid, but whether he's a good kid or a bad kid is irrelevant in terms of the seriousness of the act,' said Principal Joe Bova... The advisory panel is expected this week to make a recommendation to the school board on whether Houchin's suspension should be extended for the rest of the semester." Full Story Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
markd_nscr986 0 #104 March 24, 2004 Yeah, what you said......thanks for cutting through the BS and presenting a well thought out intelligent viewpoint of the firearms debate.I know a lot of our socialist allies love gun control and I am reminded by some WW2 vets in the family that Hitler disarmed the civilian population of Deustchland because he didnt trust them!Marc SCR 6046 SCS 3004 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
JohnRich 4 #105 March 29, 2004 Here's a story of zero tolerance for a toy gun that I agree with: 'A Florida mother is suing her son's former principal after he held a toy gun to her son's neck in order to teach him a lesson. "The family of a former student is suing principal David Zamore for punitive damages as a result of his 'willful and blatant' disregard of the student's rights. "According to school police reports, last October Zamore pointed a toy gun at the neck of a 13-year-old student while at the middle school. The principal told investigators that he used the fake weapon to get the student to admit he brought a real gun on the West Palm Beach campus. "The family's attorney says no gun was ever found..." Full Story The principle was suspended for 10 days. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
JohnRich 4 #106 March 29, 2004 Finally! An educator with some brains!: Does punishment fit the crime? A 13-year-old student was suspended for 10 days for bringing a knife to school to peel an orange. "The city's zero-tolerance policy regarding weapons in schools leaves little room for interpretation, but if School Committee Chairman John Ward has his way, the subsequent punishment might. "Currently, a student who brings a weapon to school is automatically arrested and suspended for up to 10 days pending a hearing before the School Committee to determine further punishment. "On Wednesday, Ward requested that the school board reexamine the punishment process and possibly create an evaluation subcommittee with the discretion to allow the child to return to school pending a hearing. "'I started thinking about good kids who make mistakes versus those who come to school looking for trouble. Right now there's no distinction,' he said. 'The student who is violent is treated the same as the student who is on the honor roll.'" Full Story (Requires registration) Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
JohnRich 4 #107 March 29, 2004 Quote: "In 1940, teachers were asked what they regarded as the three major problems in American schools. They identified the three major problems as: Littering, noise, and chewing gum. "Teachers last year were asked what the three major problems in American schools were, and they defined them as: Rape, assault, and suicide." — William Bennett, 1993 What has changed? It's not the presence of guns, which were far easier to get then than now. What has changed is our *culture*. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kallend 2,106 #108 March 30, 2004 QuoteQuote: "In 1940, teachers were asked what they regarded as the three major problems in American schools. They identified the three major problems as: Littering, noise, and chewing gum. "Teachers last year were asked what the three major problems in American schools were, and they defined them as: Rape, assault, and suicide." — William Bennett, 1993 What has changed? It's not the presence of guns, which were far easier to get then than now. What has changed is our *culture*. This would be the same William Bennett that predicted in 1989 that within 10 years American schools would be the best in the world?... The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
hairyjuan 0 #109 April 26, 2006 QuoteParaphrased from the news: An upstanding 18-year-old California high school student had a new shotgun in the cab of his pickup truck, because he was going trap shooting with it after school. School officials found out, searched his truck, and found the gun. Police were called, and the young man was arrested. He is free on $25,000 bail, has been expelled from school, and faces two felony charges for possessing a firearm within 1,000 feet of a school. The Sacramento Bee: Full Story www.jpfo.org has the absolute truth about gun control. gun control is about control, not guns. to quote them, "gun control+government=genocide.we are all one consciousness experiencing itself subjectively wishers never choose, choosers never wish Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
warpedskydiver 0 #110 April 26, 2006 QuoteQuoteParaphrased from the news: An upstanding 18-year-old California high school student had a new shotgun in the cab of his pickup truck, because he was going trap shooting with it after school. School officials found out, searched his truck, and found the gun. Police were called, and the young man was arrested. He is free on $25,000 bail, has been expelled from school, and faces two felony charges for possessing a firearm within 1,000 feet of a school. The Sacramento Bee: Full Story www.jpfo.org has the absolute truth about gun control. gun control is about control, not guns. to quote them, "gun control+government=genocide. Pol Pot should be running the Brady Campaign Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
yjumpinoz 0 #111 April 26, 2006 We just had five kids in a near by community arrested for planning a Columbine style assualt. I feel its better to err on the side of caution. Especially if its my kid at risk. If the rules are perfectly clear, whats the problem? Can't you be held for holding up a bank with a fake gun???? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
warpedskydiver 0 #112 April 26, 2006 QuoteWe just had five kids in a near by community arrested for planning a Columbine style assualt. I feel its better to err on the side of caution. Especially if its my kid at risk. If the rules are perfectly clear, whats the problem? Can't you be held for holding up a bank with a fake gun???? What has this got to do with anything? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
yjumpinoz 0 #113 April 26, 2006 It has a lot to do with the topic. Some are saying that its just a fake gun at school. It is still the rules. I am saying it doesn't matter if it is a cap gun. You still get shot if you point it at a cop. You still get suspended at school. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
jumpingjimmy 0 #114 April 26, 2006 i'm not really suprised all the quoted examples are in America just another sign of how fucked up it is with guns and people arguing that they should be allowed to own them i'm sure yanks with guns are glad they have their fucked up laws allowing them to own them, i'm also sure i'm glad i live in a country that doesn't have as many gun related problems as america keep your guns, and keep killing yourselves .... at least you're providing millions of other people around the world with a good laugh at every new massacre Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
champu 1 #115 April 26, 2006 QuoteIt has a lot to do with the topic. Some are saying that its just a fake gun at school. It is still the rules. I am saying it doesn't matter if it is a cap gun. You still get shot if you point it at a cop. You still get suspended at school. You are bypassing the problem with zero tolerance laws in your examples. Many argue these types of rules "outlaw common sense" and while that may be true, common sense never translated well into a rule book, so that's probably not a very good argument. What does translate well into a rule book is intent, and intent is exactly the thing to which administrators are turning their backs because of zero-tolerance policies. If I'm driving, and swerve to avoid a crate that falls off a truck, hop a curb and run over a pedestrian, breaking their legs, that's one thing. If I'm driving on an open road, see someone I don't like walking along the sidewalk, swerve on purpose, hop the curb, break their legs, that's entirely different. These situations are also treated differently in our legal system, which is a good thing. If you bring a cap gun to school to act as a prop in play, that's one thing. If you bring a cap gun to school and point it at teachers and students as you walk around in the hallway, that's another. But with zero-tolerance policies in place, they are treated one in the same, and that's a bad thing. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
hairyjuan 0 #116 April 27, 2006 QuoteSounds like it's really getting out of hand. precisely--Chairman Mao said it best, "the more laws that are passed, the more criminals that are made." rebelfirerock.com has a free download of "Justice Day" that precisely addresses the out-of-handness you are ALL talking aboutwe are all one consciousness experiencing itself subjectively wishers never choose, choosers never wish Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
hairyjuan 0 #117 April 27, 2006 Quotei'm not really suprised all the quoted examples are in America just another sign of how fucked up it is with guns and people arguing that they should be allowed to own them i'm sure yanks with guns are glad they have their fucked up laws allowing them to own them, i'm also sure i'm glad i live in a country that doesn't have as many gun related problems as america keep your guns, and keep killing yourselves .... at least you're providing millions of other people around the world with a good laugh at every new massacre an unarmed man is a slave, an armed man is a Citizen gun control+government=genocidewe are all one consciousness experiencing itself subjectively wishers never choose, choosers never wish Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
hairyjuan 0 #118 April 27, 2006 QuoteCommon sense isn't so common anymore. somewhere out there in internet land is piece entitled "the obituary of common sense" apt title for thepiecewe are all one consciousness experiencing itself subjectively wishers never choose, choosers never wish Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
cloudseeker2001 0 #119 April 27, 2006 I used to live across from a school and I had a closed full of guns......I was always worried something strange would happen and I would get busted for some kind of bullshit.........But this guy should have known better, that was just stupid. "Some call it heavenly in it's brilliance, others mean and rueful of the western dream" Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
SkyPsycho 0 #120 April 27, 2006 QuoteQuoteParaphrased from the news: An upstanding 18-year-old California high school student had a new shotgun in the cab of his pickup truck, because he was going trap shooting with it after school. School officials found out, searched his truck, and found the gun. Police were called, and the young man was arrested. He is free on $25,000 bail, has been expelled from school, and faces two felony charges for possessing a firearm within 1,000 feet of a school. The Sacramento Bee: Full Story www.jpfo.org has the absolute truth about gun control. gun control is about control, not guns. to quote them, "gun control+government=genocide. would you people who post links to things please instead post the story or pertinent info, when its a site that wont let you view without going through some pain in the ass registration shit..........damn those sites chap my ass........ _______________________________ HK MP5SD.........silence is golden Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
rhys 0 #121 April 27, 2006 Good! Guns don't belong at schools."When the power of love overcomes the love of power, then the world will see peace." - 'Jimi' Hendrix Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
JohnRich 4 #122 April 27, 2006 Quotewould you people who post links to things please instead post the story or pertinent info, when its a site that wont let you view without going through some pain in the ass registration shit...... The news story is two years old, and this thread was resurrected from the dead for some reason by someone trolling through old archived threads. That's why the news site now requires registration - because the story is no longer current. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
JohnRich 4 #123 April 27, 2006 QuoteGuns don't belong at schools. So cops shouldn't wear their guns when posted at schools? School marksmanship teams should be disbanded? ROTC organizations shouldn't be able to practice drill? Do you think the criminals will obey your rule? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
hairyjuan 0 #124 May 2, 2006 The first gun-control laws here in Amerika, were aimed at keeping firearms out of the hands of the newly 'freed'slaves. from this statement, it can be deduced that 'gun-control' is RACIST in nature. The Jews for the Preservation of Firearms Ownership have translated Hitlers gun control law. The gun -control act of 1968, is irrefutably the same law hitler used to disarm the German people before he perpetrated genocide in his HOMELAND. a simple examination of anywhere in the world that has enacted totalitetarian gun registration shows clearly that it always leads to CONFISCATION. Well intentioned politicians are merely the stooges for their successors to become genocidal tyrants. GUN-CONTROL + GOVERNMENT = GENOCIDE is absolutely proven. JPFO.org is the source of all thruth about gun-control, deny it all you want, your denial cannot change the truthwe are all one consciousness experiencing itself subjectively wishers never choose, choosers never wish Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
