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MY favorite assault rifle the M-1 Garand with its top load 8 round clip is a joy to shoot at steel rams @ 500 meters.To squeeze off a shot with open sights, look up from your sights hear the hit and then see the ram fall over is a great experience.I've got Pre-Ban weapons, post ban weapons and WW1 weapons and at the ranges that the murderers in the D.C. area where taking their pot shots any damn firearm that has ever been produced in the history of firearms would suffice.



LOL! You must live in some sort of space warp, where you hear the hit before you see the target move! Sound travels faster than light does where you are?! :P

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shhhhh....don't remind anyone. If nothing's done, it expires. No need to remind people of that. ;)



Right on!

I am sooo eager to be able to stock up on stuff we couldn't get for the last ten miserable Clinton-fucked years.

Can you believe that Carolyn McCarthy, the moron congresswoman from Long Island, NY, got elected simply because her family was victimized by a psycho with a gun (Colin Ferguson on the 5:33 LIRR train)?! I mean, this is what qualified her to be a legislator for our nation? She had been a nurse, and anti-gun losers like Schumer and Feinstein figured what better person to put a face on anti-gun legislation? I about fell over when she actually won her congressional seat. Talk about your one-issue candidates! And people are critical of ME for being a one-issue (gun rights) voter!

Yes, I'll be very happy if the AWB successfully expires. I sincerely hope that no one has any plan to get it renewed in some last-minute, last-ditch bullshit sneak play.

If it does expire, I plan to go out and purchase numerous high capacity magazines for my Glock and H&K etc. I want some of the 33 (or is it 30) rounders for the Glock. I'll get a Glock 22 so that it's a big brother for my .40 cal G27... Oh! I have such plans! I also want an AR-10 (.308cal) with all the "assault" goodies mounted on it!

Such fun we will have when the shitheaded legislation is gone!

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>got elected simply because her family was victimized by a psycho
> with a gun (Colin Ferguson on the 5:33 LIRR train)?! I mean, this is
> what qualified her to be a legislator for our nation?

Heck, we elected an action-hero actor to be governor of California! The people of the US do love their celebrities.

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>got elected simply because her family was victimized by a psycho
> with a gun (Colin Ferguson on the 5:33 LIRR train)?! I mean, this is
> what qualified her to be a legislator for our nation?

Heck, we elected an action-hero actor to be governor of California! The people of the US do love their celebrities.



Yeah, but this is sicker. A bunch of people get together to urge someone who has no relevant experience as a legislator; who never ever even thought of becoming a legislator; to run for Congress simply because she was a sympathetic character whose life was changed by gun violence. That truly is fucked up. She was used as a pawn by sick idiots like Chuck Schumer and Diane Feinstein to push their gun-ban agenda. Now she spouts nonsense from a much more public position; and if you've ever read her quotes, you'd know she spouts the know-nothing pseudo-facts of the anti-gun, crap about semi-autos "spraying bullets," "high-powered AR-15s," etc. She's an idiot, but to them, a useful one.



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Can you believe that Carolyn McCarthy, the moron congresswoman from Long Island, NY, got elected simply because her family was victimized by a psycho with a gun (Colin Ferguson on the 5:33 LIRR train)?! I mean, this is what qualified her to be a legislator for our nation?



It works the other way too - Texas elected a woman whose was at the restaurant shootout, lost family members. She campaigned on the CCW angle.

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Yes, I'll be very happy if the AWB successfully expires. I sincerely hope that no one has any plan to get it renewed in some last-minute, last-ditch bullshit sneak play.



I don't get the feeling that most Democrats want to risk it, unless Kerry is dead in the water. Even then they have hopes for the Congressionals. So you'll see the usual barking from Feinstein and such - they're safe in CA,NY, MA. But it will be for show alone.

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If it does expire, I plan to go out and purchase numerous high capacity magazines for my Glock and H&K etc. I want some of the 33 (or is it 30) rounders for the Glock. I'll get a Glock 22 so that it's a big brother for my .40 cal G27... Oh! I have such plans! I also want an AR-10 (.308cal) with all the "assault" goodies mounted on it!

Such fun we will have when the shitheaded legislation is gone!



No change for me sadly, but I'm glad most will be better off. Might want to sit a bit first - prices may stay up for a bit due to the demand, but then the increased supply should drive it down.

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I don't get the feeling that most Democrats want to risk it,



Never know. They might bring it up just before the election in hopes of passing it and forcing GWB's hand. Whichever choice he made on the issue would be sure to cause some of his supporters to change their minds. I hope they just forget about it.

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Never know. They might bring it up just before the election in hopes of passing it and forcing GWB's hand. Whichever choice he made on the issue would be sure to cause some of his supporters to change their minds. I hope they just forget about it.



They'd only do it if they think putting the GOP on record for assault weapons would either scare them into changing their vote, or would lead to voters switching to the Democratic ticket. Or if they didn't think they'd lose any voters themselves.
And at this point in time, the Democrats have more to lose. Gun control is not a viable issue with the undecided vote.

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Can you believe that Carolyn McCarthy, the moron congresswoman from Long Island, NY, got elected simply because her family was victimized by a psycho with a gun (Colin Ferguson on the 5:33 LIRR train)?! I mean, this is what qualified her to be a legislator for our nation?



It works the other way too - Texas elected a woman whose was at the restaurant shootout, lost family members. She campaigned on the CCW angle.



She was already a gun owner, and was displeased with having to leave her gun in her car in order to avoid breaking the law. That law (which prevented legal concealed carry) left her unable to use her gun to save the lives of her parents and something like what, 20 other people.

I don't know if she ran on her own or was asked to run, but I'm sure she was a CCW activist simply because of her experiences, and I'm sure it had crossed her mind to want to work to change the CCW situation there in Texas. That's different from someone being spurred to run by others who want to use her to push their agenda.

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I don't know if she ran on her own or was asked to run, but I'm sure she was a CCW activist simply because of her experiences, and I'm sure it had crossed her mind to want to work to change the CCW situation there in Texas. That's different from someone being spurred to run by others who want to use her to push their agenda.



She's no different than the othe woman - still a single issue, and nothing listed above indicates she's more qualified to hold office than the first one. She just happens to hold your viewpoint on the issue.

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I don't know if she ran on her own or was asked to run, but I'm sure she was a CCW activist simply because of her experiences, and I'm sure it had crossed her mind to want to work to change the CCW situation there in Texas. That's different from someone being spurred to run by others who want to use her to push their agenda.



She's no different than the othe woman - still a single issue, and nothing listed above indicates she's more qualified to hold office than the first one. She just happens to hold your viewpoint on the issue.



This is in some ways true. In my view, though, the huge difference lies largely in what side of the issue the person is on. On one hand, we have a woman who knows little to nothing about guns other than "guns killed my husband and maimed my son," and who champions nonsensical, do-nothing legislation (search the forum for the overwhelming exposure of why it is useless); the other champions what I feel is fair, responsible and morally superior legislation: that of allowing people their right to defend themselves with the best means available.

That puts Suzanna Gratia-Hupp in a different class altogether from the "soccer-mom anti-gunner" class to which Carolyn McCarthy belongs.

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http://www.house.state.tx.us/members/dist54/bio/hupp.htm

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Representative Suzanna Hupp

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Biographical Information

Dr. Suzanna Gratia Hupp was raised in Friendswood, Texas with her older brother Allan and younger sister, Erika. Suzanna attended the University of Texas at El Paso and Texas Chiropractic College, graduating with a Doctor of Chiropractic degree in 1985. Dr. Hupp moved to Central Texas in 1987 where, for thirteen years, she owned and operated the Cove Physical Rehab clinic before selling it in 2000.

Suzanna is recognized worldwide as one of the leading advocates for an individual's right to carry a concealed weapon. In 1991, after leaving her gun in her car in order to comply with the law, Suzanna watched helplessly as both her parents, along with 21 others were gunned down in a mass shooting at a local restaurant. As a survivor of this tragedy, her impassioned calls for the right of citizens to self-defense have thrust her into the national debate on the right to keep and bear arms. Since the Killeen massacre, she has testified numerous times across the country for the restoration of the Second Amendment. She has been quoted in US News and World Report, the Wall Street Journal, Time magazine, Texas Monthly, People, and has been featured on 48 Hours, Peter Jennings’ World News Tonight, Dan Rather’s CBS Evening News, and many others. Suzanna's efforts in this arena were recognized when she was awarded the Sybil Ludington Women's Freedom Award by the National Rifle Association. In 1998, Charleton Heston honored her as the first Texan to be awarded a lifetime membership to the NRA.

Just prior to being elected to the Texas House of Representatives in 1996, Dr. Hupp's testimony was instrumental in passing the concealed carry law that Texans now enjoy. She has worked tirelessly during her four terms to protect Texans' Constitutional rights, especially privacy rights and the Second Amendment. During the 78th Legislative Session, Representative Hupp was appointed as the Chair of Budget and Oversight for the Law Enforcement committee, and appointed to both the Appropriations committee, and Calendars committee. She is also a member of the House Rural Caucus and the House Veterans and Military Affairs Caucus. In November of 2003, Speaker Tom Craddick appointed Representative Hupp as Chair of the House select committee on child welfare and foster care.
Her legislative achievements have been recognized by the American Family Association, Free Market Foundation, and the Texas Association of Business and Chambers of Commerce, Texas Alliance For Life, Texas Eagle Forum, and the Young Conservatives of Texas.

Representative Hupp has hosted a successful radio talk show in the Greater Austin area, and she is also a co-founder of the Civil Liberties Defense Foundation (CLDF). CLDF is a non-profit legal foundation dedicated to providing educational information relating to the preservation of the civil liberties guaranteed by the Bill of Rights of the United States Constitution and to providing legal services necessary to the protection of those rights.

Suzanna and her husband Greg have two sons, Alexander (7), and Ethan (5), and they enjoy their small Arabian horse ranch in Lampasas county.


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Who do you respect more, a person who was victimized and now wants to make victims out of everyone else, or someone who suffered a loss due to a bad law and worked to change the law?

At least Hupp knows about the topic she was elected for. McCarthy is either ignorant or a liar. She still talks about machine guns being available in your neighborhood if the AWB is not renewed. I'm sorry, has she not even bothered to read it?
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They'd only do it if they think putting the GOP on record for assault weapons would either scare them into changing their vote, or would lead to voters switching to the Democratic ticket. Or if they didn't think they'd lose any voters themselves.
And at this point in time, the Democrats have more to lose. Gun control is not a viable issue with the undecided vote.



Or maybe they haven't forgotten the last time they passed it, and they don't want to give up another 50 seats in Congress. Ask Clintons what happened last time one of them passed it.
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***They'll never try to ban your hunting rifle...

...they'd call it a sniper rifle first.

Naw, it only groups about an inch and a quarter, not good enough for real sniping. Of course, the banners don't really care about the facts.



They have no problem calling every black plastic semi auto an Assualt Weapon, and no problem calling every revolver a Saturday Night Special, do you really doubt they'd call every scoped bolt action a sniper rifle?

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but hey, like you said, they never really cared about the truth anyway.
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See, you guys just don't get it. Try this...

Close your eyes, picture a sniper on top of a hill overlooking a gas station. He's laying prone on the ground with his eye up against a high power scope. He's taking aim and about to take a single shot at an innocent mother of 3. The gun he's using has a 30 round detachable magazine, a pistol grip, and a bayonnete lug. And the gun is all black.

Makes you shudder...

...now picture the same scenario but it's a walnut stock, bolt action, single shot deer rifle. Now that's not nearly as bad.



Yep, walnut is just not as threatning.


You never hear about the "man in walnut"......
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***Assault weapons ban to expire soon unless voters push renewal

The sight of Iraqis toting AK-47 assault rifles on the streets of Baghdad is common in the news, and a scary image. Thank goodness America's streets are safe from that kind of firepower, you might be thinking.

But the 10-year-old federal ban on assault rifles in the United States is about to expire on Sept. 13.

Congress has about 13 working days left to renew the assault weapons ban, otherwise the door will open once more for the manufacture and sale of AK-47s, Uzis, TEC-9s and other assault weapons in America. These are military style weapons that can fire bullets as fast as the shooter pulls the trigger.

Great, let's go talking about every machine gun we can think of and say it'll be legal, then throw in some half wit mention that there are semi-autos, too. I have news for this ....writer.... The banned guns are no different than legal guns expect for a few accessories unrelated to firepower. Also, let's not forget that machine guns are and have been strictly controlled, and will not be affected when this law disappears.

The only purpose for these powerful weapons is to kill people as fast as possible.

And he makes this statement on what basis? Why are they different? Because of the bayonet lug? the collapsible stock? the pistol grip? the generally low power ammunition?

That's not a pleasant vision for America. These guns have no place in a civil society. They belong only in war zones.

He probably thinks handguns have no place but police holsters, too, and maybe shotguns have no place but in a safe or a rich man's hands.

President Bush vowed to renew the ban when he was campaigning for the White House in 2000. But Bush hasn't lifted a finger to make it happen. Now that the time has come to act, he's playing political games as the pro-gun lobby smiles.

And the anti gun lobby smiled when Clinton passed the ban the first time; what's his point?

Bush says he'll sign a renewal of the ban if Congress passes it. But the speaker of the House reportedly is waiting for the president to ask the House to take action, according to the Brady Campaign to Prevent Gun Violence.

The Brady Campaign Against Gun Ownership? Yeah, there's a reliable source. :S

Since the assault weapons ban was first enacted in 1994, the use of such guns in crimes has fallen 66 percent. Police groups across the nation have asked Congress to renew the ban, and polls show nearly 80 percent of Americans support its renewal, the Brady organization notes. Yesterday, former presidents Ford, Carter and Clinton together urged Bush to renew the ban.

Wrong. The guns were used in less than 3% of gun crime before the ban, and are used in less than 3% of gun crime now. Going from nine crimes to three crimes is 66% less, but is that a significant chance at the national level?

The National Institute of Justice (federal statistics and research for criminology and justice) said "There were several reasons to expect, at best, a modest ban effect on criminal gun injuries and deaths. First, studies before the ban generally found that between less than 1 and 8 percent of gun crimes involved assault weapons, depending on the specific definition and data source used," and "Given the limited use of the banned guns and magazines in gun crimes, even the maximum theoretically achievable preventive effect of the ban on outcomes such as the gun murder rate is almost certainly too small to detect statistically." I don't know where this guy got his facts, but I'm guess he didn't bother to leave the Brady website.


If you don't want to see the floodgates opened to assault weapons, today is the time to tell the president and your representatives in Congress to make sure the ban is renewed.

And if you do want to see pointless legislation disappear, make sure it sunsets on time.

The politicians from the White House on down are hypnotized by the big money of the National Rifle Association which opposes the ban.

But ordinary citizens possess something more valuable than money - your vote. In this presidential election year, every vote is likely to count, just as it did in 2000. Ohio will be one of the key states that tips the balance and decides who will be the next president.

Maybe this guy hasn't noticed, but the NRA has something like 4.5 million members, mostly average income Americans. The anti-gun folks are the ones dependent on the likes of George Soros and Senator Kerry's wife.

Your vote is your leverage and your ammunition in the battle to renew the federal ban on assault weapons.

I wonder if that means he'll shut up about it when voters toss the representatives who voted for its renewal and elect pro gun candidates to congress.

Don't let the president and Congress allow the ban to slip away without notice.

He didn't when democrats lost twenty seats and control of congress. I doubt he will this time.
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In all seriousness...

I have to wonder about the morals, ethics, honesty, and EVIL of a person who can willingly LIE so egregiously as the guy who wrote this article.

HOW can anyone who makes any PRETENSE at being honest about guns and gun control put forth such drivel as an attempt to justify renewal of the useless, idiotic "assault weapons ban"?

The guy is either LYING, or just STUPID: in either case, he should not be allowed to sway people's opinions about gun policy.

How about that part: "These are military style weapons that can fire bullets as fast as the shooter pulls the trigger."?

Uh, you mean like a REVOLVER? Anything but a bolt-action or a single-shot will "fire bullets as fast as the shooter pulls the trigger."

What a moron.

I can't wait to get my full-cap Glock magazines! HOO-AH!

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How about that part: "These are military style weapons that can fire bullets as fast as the shooter pulls the trigger."?



LOL

Makes it more of a semi than an auto. What a moron.

A good buddy of mine collects WWII era Thompsons. They're a hoot to go and play with... especially in full auto.

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