JohnRich 4 #1 March 20, 2004 In the news: Since January 20, under the Anti-social Behaviour Act, it has been illegal to manufacture, sell, purchase, transfer or acquire any air gun that uses a self-contained gas cartridge system. Such air guns owned prior to that date, can be kept. But as of May 1st, owners will have to register their air guns, or turn them in to the police. It will hence forth be illegal, subject to a minimum penalty of five years in prison, to own such a BB gun without a proper registration certificate. Full Story Here Another Story Boy, I'll bet the criminals in England are really quaking in their boots now! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Jimbo 0 #2 March 20, 2004 Anti-Social Behaviour Act? That's scarey. Looking at the thread title, one could read that as "Big Brother Gun Registration". Ugh. - Jim"Like" - The modern day comma Good bye, my friends. You are missed. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Gawain 0 #3 March 20, 2004 Quote Anti-Social Behaviour Act? That's scarey. Tell me about. Suddenly, world opinion of my country means little, at best.So I try and I scream and I beg and I sigh Just to prove I'm alive, and it's alright 'Cause tonight there's a way I'll make light of my treacherous life Make light! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
skydyvr 0 #4 March 20, 2004 Quote . . . it has been illegal to manufacture, sell, purchase, transfer or acquire any air gun that uses a self-contained gas cartridge system. What's next, water pistols? . . =(_8^(1) Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Jimbo 0 #5 March 20, 2004 Only if they're black. - Jim"Like" - The modern day comma Good bye, my friends. You are missed. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
quade 4 #6 March 20, 2004 Well, of course, this obviously all started at 221B Baker St. He was terrified of air-guns.quade - The World's Most Boring Skydiver Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
peacefuljeffrey 0 #7 March 20, 2004 This, to me, is just representative of the insanity that is passing for crime control in the U.K., and the lengths to which idiot government officials will go to do nothing more than LOOK like they're trying to protect the public. I pity those people who live in the U.K. and can see reason, and know that shit is all upside down over there. --Jeffrey "With tha thoughts of a militant mind... Hard line, hard line after hard line!" Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kallend 2,101 #8 March 20, 2004 Quote Anti-Social Behaviour Act? That's scarey. - Jim It is, as are "Committee on Un-American Activities" and "Patriot Act"... The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Lee03 0 #9 March 20, 2004 Typical, and the fucked up government in this country, is trying to force America down this same road now! What's next, cap guns, water guns, plastic toys that look like guns! But ulitmatly what's next? The freedoms of this nation, which will all be gone when government gets it's way!-------- To put your life in danger from time to time ... breeds a saneness in dealing with day-to-day trivialities. --Nevil Shute, Slide Rule Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
skreamer 1 #10 March 20, 2004 QuoteI pity those people who live in the U.K. and can see reason, and know that shit is all upside down over there. Oh really? I've been living in the UK for seven years, how long have you lived here? How much do you really know about the UK (apart from the sensationalist threads posted here)? Go on, enlighten me, how long did you live in the UK to form your opinions about the 'insanity passing for crime control'? I live here and I'm not interested in your pity. I see a lot of shit upside down with peoples' narrow-minded attitudes and outlooks, I pity them. Will Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Jimbo 0 #11 March 20, 2004 QuoteBut ulitmatly what's next? Here's some of what President Bill Clinton thought might be next: "The purpose of government is to rein in the rights of the people" -President Bill Clinton, MTV interview, 1993 "If the personal freedoms guaranteed by the Constitution inhibit the government's ability to govern the people, we should look to limit those guarantees." -President Bill Clinton, August 12, 1993 There's more. - Jim"Like" - The modern day comma Good bye, my friends. You are missed. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
JohnRich 4 #12 March 22, 2004 QuoteWhat's next, water pistols? Shhh! Don't give the British bureaucrats any more ideas! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
JohnRich 4 #13 March 22, 2004 QuoteWhat's next... plastic toys that look like guns! That's already in the works too! News #1 News #2 News #3 News #4 News #5 Etc... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
JohnRich 4 #14 March 22, 2004 QuoteGo on, enlighten me, how long did you live in the UK to form your opinions about the 'insanity passing for crime control'? I live here and I'm not interested in your pity. I noticed that you didn't respond to the topic of this post. So, do you approve of BB gun registration as a crime control measure? If so, can you explain how it will stop crimes committed with BB guns? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
mr2mk1g 10 #15 March 22, 2004 I thought I ought to point out that this is nothing to do with BB guns. The guns that are sought to be further controlled fire lead pellets that are the same shape and diameter as (eg) M16 bullets (5.58mm vs. 5.56mm) albeit somewhat lighter. The guns are semi-auto pistols, revolvers or rifles made of metal and wood/abs plastic and look virtually identical to an ordinary firearm. They work in exactly the same way too in that they have self-contained cartridges containing propellant and projectile which may be loaded into a magazine. They only way they differ is that in that instead of cordite in the cartridge there is compressed gas. They are capable of killing. I'm not expressing a view here on the proposed legislation, just clarifying exactly what the issue is because people appear to be under the impression the legislation refers to those little plastic things which fire neon yellow 6mm ball bearings. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
yoink 321 #16 March 22, 2004 QuoteThis, to me, is just representative of the insanity that is passing for crime control in the U.K., and the lengths to which idiot government officials will go to do nothing more than LOOK like they're trying to protect the public. I pity those people who live in the U.K. and can see reason, and know that shit is all upside down over there. - ummm.... yeah. We have strict gun control laws... The states doesn't. Which country do you think has more people shot per year?? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
skreamer 1 #17 March 22, 2004 QuoteI noticed that you didn't respond to the topic of this post. Why should I? I was responding to a particular post. You seem to have a lot to say about UK laws and how they are applied, how long have you lived here for? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
peacefuljeffrey 0 #18 March 22, 2004 QuoteQuoteThis, to me, is just representative of the insanity that is passing for crime control in the U.K., and the lengths to which idiot government officials will go to do nothing more than LOOK like they're trying to protect the public. I pity those people who live in the U.K. and can see reason, and know that shit is all upside down over there. - ummm.... yeah. We have strict gun control laws... The states doesn't. Which country do you think has more people shot per year?? Which country has a "people shot per year" rate that has more than doubled since 1997? Our gun crime rate in the U.S. has gone down consistently since about 1993. Yours has gone skyrocketing out of control since your gun BAN in 1997. Go figure. Your "strict gun control laws" haven't managed to do anything to control criminal use of guns. And as more and more of them stream in on the black market from Eastern Europe, you will have more and more of a problem because your government likes to go after toys, likes to help criminals sue their victims (see the Tony Martin story) and prefers to render its subjects defenseless against armed criminals. We've posted lots of links demonstrating the British government's attitude toward citizen self-defense -- and the penalty the citizen suffers for attempting to engage in it. I repeat my statement of pity -- for those in England who are not ignorant to the situation, and who value the right of citizens to be armed for their own defense. --Jeffrey "With tha thoughts of a militant mind... Hard line, hard line after hard line!" Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
peacefuljeffrey 0 #19 March 22, 2004 QuoteQuoteI noticed that you didn't respond to the topic of this post. Why should I? I was responding to a particular post. You seem to have a lot to say about UK laws and how they are applied, how long have you lived here for? Don't really have to have lived there at all in order to be apprised of the situation that faces you. You banned guns in an idiotic knee-jerk reaction to a single shooting (nasty though it was), your reactionary legislation took the guns away from essentially only the good and law-abiding people, guns continue to come in on the black market (and I've read estimates that there are about 4-6 million illegal guns in the U.K.), and your gun crime rate and violent crime rate and burglary rate have all gone berserk out of control. Why would I need to live there in the U.K. (which I wouldn't do on a bet) just to find this stuff out? I can read news on the internet and in the newspaper. I have read of an international study that put the chances of getting victimized in a violent attack (like a mugging) in the U.K. as SIX TIMES what they are in New York City. England and Australia now lead the developed world in terms of rates at which people are victimized by violent crime (which are generally expressed in "per 100,000 population). I don't have the exact figures, but I do know that I've read you surpassed the U.S. --Jeffrey "With tha thoughts of a militant mind... Hard line, hard line after hard line!" Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Skyrad 0 #20 March 22, 2004 LOL................Man you crack me up!!!When an author is too meticulous about his style, you may presume that his mind is frivolous and his content flimsy. Lucius Annaeus Seneca Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
JohnRich 4 #21 March 22, 2004 QuoteQuoteI noticed that you didn't respond to the topic of this post. Why should I? I was responding to a particular post. You seem to have a lot to say about UK laws and how they are applied, how long have you lived here for? You keep asking that, and we're still waiting for you to actually address the topic. You seem to have some kind of objection, but are afraid to speak it. How long someone has lived there is irrelevant to the topic of whether or not registering BB guns is going to stop BB gun crimes. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
JohnRich 4 #22 March 22, 2004 Quoteummm.... yeah. We have strict gun control laws... The states doesn't. Which country do you think has more people shot per year?? In addition to what peacefuljeffery said, here's a chart showing what has happened to gun crime rates in the UK since they confiscated all handguns and semi-auto long guns. Gun crime has gone up! So you deprived all those law-abiding gun owners of their property, and didn't even solve the problem. What a grand accomplishment to be proud of! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
JohnRich 4 #23 March 22, 2004 QuoteYou seem to have a lot to say about UK laws and how they are applied, how long have you lived here for? While I'm at it, let's throw this story out here: A quarter of English are victims of crime "PEOPLE living in England and Wales are at greater risk of falling victim to crime than citizens of most other industrialised nations, according to a study published yesterday. "The International Crime Victims Survey, based on 34,000 telephone interviews across 17 countries, found that 26 per cent of people - more than one in four - in England and Wales had been victims of crime in 1999..." Full Story Here Is it just coincidence that countries like England, Canada and Australia, at the top of that victimization list, are also the countries with the strictest gun control laws? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
JohnRich 4 #24 March 22, 2004 From the London Telegraph: Guns and drugs fuel sudden rise in London's murder rate "The murder rate in London has doubled in 12 months to reach one of its highest levels ever, according to the most recent Home Office statistics... "Senior officers fear that a dramatic increase in the use of guns, particularly in battles between gangs competing over the trade in drugs, is the prime cause of the sharp rise in the number of deaths. "Other explanations include an increase in drive-by shootings and of murders committed for no other reason than that the killer perceives that personal or family "honour" has in some way been impugned by the victim..." Full story here. All handguns and semi-auto long guns were confiscated 10 years ago. And yet this kind of news persists in jolly ol' England! The cause of gun crime is not the ownership of guns by citizens. The cause of gun crime is: culture. Give the guns back to the law-abiding citizens, and do something about that gang and drug culture! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
JohnRich 4 #25 March 22, 2004 In the news: "Police failed to respond to pleas for help from a disabled Army veteran who dialed 999 minutes before he was brutally murdered in his own home."A British soldier can be trusted with a firearm to fight for England far from home. But he can't be trusted with a firearm with which to defend his own life in his own home... Full Story Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
