Gawain 0 #51 April 7, 2004 QuoteI wouldn't start bashing the Iranians just yet. The US hasn't exactly got a glowing humantarian rep at the moment either. http://news.independent.co.uk/world/politics/story.jsp?story=509209 << Couldn't get link to work. I'm not bashing Iran, I was citing the blind hatred in the movements that drove their revolution and has had a theocracy in place for 20 years. There is now a swelling demand for major reforms in their government because these younger generations are not buying the "blanket-US-Satan-all-things-spiritual-etc" line anymore.So I try and I scream and I beg and I sigh Just to prove I'm alive, and it's alright 'Cause tonight there's a way I'll make light of my treacherous life Make light! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Darius11 12 #52 April 7, 2004 I didn’t take the time to read every post on this thread. When I hear our soldiers are getting killed, or any one is getting killed. I blame the people who started the war. The people who supported the war. They are the reason we are at war and people are getting killed. Lets not forget the ONLY reason we invaded Iraq was because we (the government) were sure there was WMD in Iraq. When I hear peoples sons American Iraqi or who ever is being killed. I would like to ask the people who supported this war WHY? Another point If you come in to my home I will do every thing in my power to kill you. Ambush, bomb, or guns. People seem to forget that we were not invited. As always I feel sorry for the soldiers on both sides. The Iraqi solders who died during the war for not having the choice, and the American solders who are there dieing for a reason that never existed WMD. RIP to all who have passed. Peace Darius Edit to say: This is not a replay directed at billvon.I'd rather be hated for who I am, than loved for who I am not." - Kurt Cobain Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kallend 2,027 #53 April 7, 2004 The US, UK and "coalition of the willing" are there under false pretenses. Our boys are being killed under false pretenses. I said as much in February 2003, and I say it now. SHAME on the lying liars who sent them there, and SHAME on those apologists who don't know a lie when they see it !... The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Chrisky 0 #54 April 7, 2004 Good to read this, i agree so much with your view of the situation. The tactics used by the iraqi resistance are their _only_ means of fighting the superior numbers and technology available to US troops. Same thing with palestinians. They don't have attack helicopters and F-16s. Many of their families are forced to live in refugee camps for _decades_ now. They don't necessarily hate Israelis for them being jewish, but the state of Israel for driving them off their home turf (on the argument of a religious text btw...). The UN has dtermined that zionism is a form f racism, just like anti-semitism (Resolution 3379). By this definition, Israel is a state with a massive racist background. If you look at these circumstances and the palestinian means to strike back, it is the simple way to just sum them all up as islamic terrorists. Live in a refugee camp for your whole life, driven off by religious fundamentals, and then have another offer you paradise, money (to help your family) and/or put you under pressure to become a suicide bomber... Two years ago, Israel denied a red cross inspection team to investigate an alleged killing of 500 civilians during an israeli raid into one of the refugee camps... They still destroy the whole base to live of a suicide bombers family. This is repression against the Geneva convention. But, they are bad palestinian terrorists, right? One mans terrorist is another ones hero... Try to see with the eyes of your enemy. It is a very complex situation in the middle East, and it would only be possible to resolve anything there if everyone agrees to play along. Right now, that is invisible, everyone is just seeking to destroy the other. Justice must be done, to Israelis, Palestinians etc. I wonder if we will ever see peace in the middle east... Like in justice: The other side must be heard as well. Audiatur et altera pars. Stop simplifying...The mind is like a parachute - it only works once it's open. From the edge you just see more. ... Not every Swooper hooks & not every Hooker swoops ... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
GARYC24 3 #55 April 7, 2004 I think we ought to drop a giant plane load of rattle snakes, and other poisinous creatures in large amounts over there..their used to bombs and bullets. and maybe use that big aircraft that holds ALOT of water for forest fires (the one Ca. could have used a few monthhs ago) Give-em something different..! But, seriously...the soldiers are gonna have to do someting or what it takes to decrease the bombings and suicide attacks on them..I'm sure things will tighten up, quickly. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
PhillyKev 0 #56 April 7, 2004 Quoteand maybe use that big aircraft that holds ALOT of water for forest fires I do believe that's a C140. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
billvon 2,991 #57 April 7, 2004 >But, seriously...the soldiers are gonna have to do someting or what >it takes to decrease the bombings and suicide attacks on them.. Fortunately, we recently captured a man who is perhaps the world's expert at supressing Iraqis. I'm sure he wouldn't mind giving us a few pointers. We could even let him run things; he could pretty much guarantee a reduction/elimination of resistance. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
rickjump1 0 #58 April 7, 2004 That guy will probably start up a cab company in New York City with a couple of retired North Vietnamese generals.Do your part for global warming: ban beans and hold all popcorn farts. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
markd_nscr986 0 #59 April 7, 2004 It is always a tough and thankless job being the Worlds "policeman".It is interesting to note after watching this discussion go on, how quick some parties are to point out US foreign policy failures......when all countries at some point or another make similar blunders.....Hey England.....how about getting out of N Ireland ? Hey Russia,what about the Baltic Republics the first time they expressed an interest in independence, or your involvement in Afghanistan?Hey S Africa, how about Namibia or Rhodesia (Zimbabwe)?Hey France, what about Algeria?Hey Japan, what about Manchuria?So before you look down your nose at US foreign policy,consider some of these shining examples......Now about what is going on in Iraq,there is a large segment of the american people that support freeing a downtrodden people from a despot (gee...deja vu.....freeing europe from a despot during WW2 at he cost of american lives) so they can live their lives in freedom!Unfortunately Islamic extremists would like to destroy every vestige of western civilzation,turn back the clock 6 or seven centuries.They do not want accomodation,they do not want appeasement,they want to destroy infidel civilization and everything associated with it.They will employ every means at their disposal to accomplish this including nukes, chem bio,homicide bombers etc.Anybody that thinks otherwise,is in denial.Anyone that thinks that by leaving them alone that the problem will go away(like Bill Clinton and his cronies attempted to do)is tragically underestimating them.If the all civilized nations of the world do not make a united effort against these Islamic extremist that have vowed to destroy them,then they will lose.I for one am proud that the US is making a stand against them,and it wont be easy and lives will be lost,but consider the alternative and I think most of you will see the merit in taking these guys on,even if alot of dissenters havent figured it out yet ( or havent a clue for that matter!)Marc SCR 6046 SCS 3004 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
mikkey 0 #60 April 7, 2004 Quote -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- In Reply To -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- I thought you guys would finally start to understand that things in the middle east are a little more complex then "good guys vs. bad guys". The latest uprising is by Shia's not Suni's. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Gee Mikkey.. I would have thought you would know what you are talking about before making such an untrue statement. http://msnbc.msn.com/id/4667742/ The one thing that has not changed from TB is that guys like you and Gawain always try to attack the man not the ball. Notice the word "latest". Insurgent activities by Sunni Baath supporters in places like Fallujah have gone on for a long time. The latest uprising are the followers of Sadr who is a Shia cleric. This is a new development and a very problematic one for the coalition. So don't accuse people of untrue statements - ever heard of glass houses?--------------------------------------------------------- When people look like ants - pull. When ants look like people - pray. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Chrisky 0 #61 April 7, 2004 Yeah right, i completely didn't notice that... It really is that simple.. The mind is like a parachute - it only works once it's open. From the edge you just see more. ... Not every Swooper hooks & not every Hooker swoops ... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
billvon 2,991 #62 April 7, 2004 >It is always a tough and thankless job being the > Worlds "policeman." Yep, but when you volunteer for the job, you take the good with the bad. >Now about what is going on in Iraq,there is a large segment of the > american people that support freeing a downtrodden people from a > despot . . . Is there still a despot there? Because I thought the war was to rid Saddam Hussein of his weapons of mass destruction. Well, there were none, and Hussein is gone, and today we killed 40 people in a mosque. Are we still "freeing them from a despot?" At what point do we _become_ the despot? >Unfortunately Islamic extremists would like to destroy every vestige > of western civilzation,turn back the clock 6 or seven centuries.They > do not want accomodation,they do not want appeasement,they want > to destroy infidel civilization and everything associated with it. I agree there, but so far all we seem to be doing is creating more extremists. Our allies have captured far more of Al-Qaeda than we have through our military exercises. So if ending that sort of terror is your goal, diplomacy (to ensure the support of your allies in the war against Al Qaeda) has proven to be far more effective than killing Iraqis. >They will employ every means at their disposal to accomplish this > including nukes, chem bio,homicide bombers etc. Only one country, ever, has used nuclear weapons against civilians. The only biological attack against the US was carried out by US terrorist groups with US anthrax. > I think most of you will see the merit in taking these guys on,even >if alot of dissenters havent figured it out yet ( or havent a clue for > that matter!) Which guys? Al Qaeda? Absolutely. Sunnis fighting for their temples? Not so sure they are good people to slaughter. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Gravitymaster 0 #63 April 8, 2004 Quote>>What makes US citizens so much superior over Iraqi citizens? >The difference? How about we don't machine gun the cars of innocent > civilians who are protecting the supplies of food and medicine for >our children and then burn their bodies and hang them from bridges > like pieces of meat? Hows that for starters? These would be the same innocent Iraqi civilians you wanted to liberate from Hussein's evil rule, right? Funny what a difference a year makes. No these would be the same leftover remnants of Saddams regime of terror who haven't been killed yet and are hoping he will come back, combined with a fanatical religious sect. The Iraqi's I wanted to free are the other 99%. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Gravitymaster 0 #64 April 8, 2004 Gee Mikkey.. I would have thought you would know what you are talking about before making such an untrue statement. http://msnbc.msn.com/id/4667742/ QuoteThe one thing that has not changed from TB is that guys like you and Gawain always try to attack the man not the ball. Gee Mikkey, I was pretty sure I was attacking your statement not you personally. Perhaps you should report me to a moderator and have them review my response and give you a ruling. QuoteNotice the word "latest". Insurgent activities by Sunni Baath supporters in places like Fallujah have gone on for a long time. The latest uprising are the followers of Sadr who is a Shia cleric. This is a new development and a very problematic one for the coalition. So don't accuse people of untrue statements - ever heard of glass houses? Yes Mikkey... we also know the meaning of the word "IS". We can judge what you said on its' merits without you doin more "splainin" But thanks for your efforts. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Michele 1 #65 April 8, 2004 Quote Sunnis fighting for their temples? I'm unclear as to what started this battle, and how long it was waged before heavy firepower was called in. From reports I've heard, it was something like 5-6 hours of small arms firefighting, after someone launched an RPG at the US troops from that location. I'm not sure, if the above is correct, that the Sunnis were fighting for their temple, but were rather using the mosque as a hiding place, or a place to attack from. Further, Muqtada himself is an interesting person, who would not be free but for the US removal of SH. There are, indeed, huge complexities happening here, "plans within plans, feints within feints", and it is neither black nor white. My prayers with those who've died. Ciels- Michele ~Do Angels keep the dreams we seek While our hearts lie bleeding?~ Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
billvon 2,991 #66 April 8, 2004 > The Iraqi's I wanted to free are the other 99%. So you only want to kill, say, 240,000 Iraqis. And to think we got upset when Hussein killed 20,000 rebellious Kurds. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Gravitymaster 0 #67 April 8, 2004 Quote> The Iraqi's I wanted to free are the other 99%. So you only want to kill, say, 240,000 Iraqis. And to think we got upset when Hussein killed 20,000 rebellious Kurds. Only those of the 240,000 that are shooting at our troops. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Gravitymaster 0 #68 April 8, 2004 Quote today we killed 40 people in a mosque Are we still "freeing them from a despot?" At what point do we _become_ the despot? Aw come on Bill. The 40 people who were killed were by the reports I've read, using the mosque as a military base of operations. What are our troops supposed to do, let them shoot at us and then let run into a Mosque to hide? QuoteI agree there, but so far all we seem to be doing is creating more extremists. Our allies have captured far more of Al-Qaeda than we have through our military exercises. So if ending that sort of terror is your goal, diplomacy (to ensure the support of your allies in the war against Al Qaeda) has proven to be far more effective than killing Iraqis. And our "allies" also have a history of releasing Al Qaeda. Funny you didn't compare the number of Al Qaeda our allies have captured to the number we have killed and captured. Point is not how many are captured, but how many have been sent to be with the 72 virgins. QuoteOnly one country, ever, has used nuclear weapons against civilians. The only biological attack against the US was carried out by US terrorist groups with US anthrax. Oh, I hadn't heard they cracked the case. You are positive it was a US Terrorist group? Which one was it. Can you give me the link so I can read about the arrest? QuoteWhich guys? Al Qaeda? Absolutely. Sunnis fighting for their temples? Not so sure they are good people to slaughter. Uhhh... Bill? We have it on good information the Sunnis' aren't involved. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Gravitymaster 0 #69 April 8, 2004 QuoteQuoteQuoteQuoteI am saying that their cause has no vision. The difference? How about we don't machine gun the cars of innocent civilians who are protecting the supplies of food and medicine for our children and then burn their bodies and hang them from bridges like pieces of meat? Hows that for starters? What an ignorance. US forces fired on dozens of civilian cars in Iraq killing a huge number of innocents, whereas the "innocent civilians" you mention were armed mercenaries, ex-US military. In the last three days US forces have killed _hundreds_ of Iraqies, huge part of them civilians, plenty of women and children. Machine gunning an ambulance on the way to a hospital yesterday is just one fine example to your point. Emotions towards US stretching from dislike to hate are spreading much wider than the public here realizes. They go way beyond a muslim world, and they will bite hard eventually. Bin Laden's vision of spreading the hatred towards US is being implemented very efficiently. Incredibly, a lot of people who have oppose muslim fanatics now begin to hate US about as much as they hate the terrorists. It will only get worse. bsbd! Yuri. The question was What makes US Citizens superior to Iraqi citizens? Maybe you should read the thread before spouting off and calling peoples statements ignorant. Not doing so makes your response seem... well, ignorant. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites billvon 2,991 #70 April 8, 2004 >Aw come on Bill. The 40 people who were killed were by the reports >I've read, using the mosque as a military base of operations. What > are our troops supposed to do, let them shoot at us and then let > run into a Mosque to hide? No, we pursue them and kill them. And once that happens often enough, a return to Saddam Hussein is going to look pretty good to Iraqis. >And our "allies" also have a history of releasing Al Qaeda. They have still captured and detained far more than we have, even with Germany's recent release of Motassadeq. > Funny you didn't compare the number of Al Qaeda our allies have >captured to the number we have killed and captured. Roughly 2 to 1. They've killed or captured twice the number we've killed or captured. >Point is not how many are captured, but how many have been sent > to be with the 72 virgins. Why? (Other than it makes you feel good.) >Oh, I hadn't heard they cracked the case. You are positive it was a > US Terrorist group? It came from a US lab. From the BBC: -------------- The anthrax spores enclosed in envelopes mailed to two leading Senate Democrats in October are biologically identical to bacteria secretly manufactured at a US germ warfare facility during the last decade, according to press reports and an analysis by a leading microbiologist. --------------------- So they came from our WMD programs, which is funny considering how much we were worried about Hussein's nonexistent WMD's. >Uhhh... Bill? We have it on good information the Sunnis' aren't >involved. Lead page on CNN: ---------------------------------- Coalition troops battled Shiite militias and Sunni insurgents separately in several key Iraq cities Wednesday, one day after suffering their deadliest ground attack since President Bush declared an end to major combat on May 1. ---------------------------------- Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites skydyvr 0 #71 April 8, 2004 QuoteAnd if it's because of the "inhumanity" of Saddam Hussein, why would we go for either Iran or Syria? Or do the rules change? Why did you put "inhumanity" in quotes? . . =(_8^(1) Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Gravitymaster 0 #72 April 8, 2004 QuoteNo, we pursue them and kill them. And once that happens often enough, a return to Saddam Hussein is going to look pretty good to Iraqis. Your original statement left out the fact these 40 people were firing on US troops. Heres what you said. Quotetoday we killed 40 people in a mosque. Are we still "freeing them from a despot?" At what point do we _become_ the despot? Quite a difference from the fact they wre engaging our troops. The above statement could be taken to sound as if they were innocent worshipers. I'm sure you didn't mean to imply that, right? QuoteThey have still captured and detained far more than we have, even with Germany's recent release of Motassadeq. QuoteRoughly 2 to 1. They've killed or captured twice the number we've killed or captured. Including all the Al Qaeda we killed and captured in Afghanistan? Hmmm.. well I don't have any stats so I'll take your word...for now but I reserve the right to return to this point later after some more research. >Point is not how many are captured, but how many have been sent > to be with the 72 virgins. QuoteWhy? (Other than it makes you feel good.) Isn't that what they want? If it makes them feel good, who am I to judge? QuoteIt came from a US lab. From the BBC: -------------- The anthrax spores enclosed in envelopes mailed to two leading Senate Democrats in October are biologically identical to bacteria secretly manufactured at a US germ warfare facility during the last decade, according to press reports and an analysis by a leading microbiologist. So? Thats pretty flimsy evidence to base such a claim on. Like saying Boeing was responsible for Sept 11 because they made the planes. I'm not saying it wasn't sent by an American, but to make a claim it was an American Terrorist Group is a pretty broad statement. How do you know it wasn't one person with a grudge? QuoteSo they came from our WMD programs, which is funny considering how much we were worried about Hussein's nonexistent WMD's. We weren't as worried about the fact that he possessed them, since we sold him many of them. Just worried about him selling them to terrorists or using them against our allies. >Uhhh... Bill? We have it on good information the Sunnis' aren't >involved. QuoteLead page on CNN: ---------------------------------- Coalition troops battled Shiite militias and Sunni insurgents separately in several key Iraq cities Wednesday, one day after suffering their deadliest ground attack since President Bush declared an end to major combat on May 1. ---------------------------------- It was a joke Bill. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Botellines 0 #73 April 8, 2004 QuoteUnfortunately Islamic extremists would like to destroy every vestige of western civilzation,turn back the clock 6 or seven centuries.They do not want accomodation,they do not want appeasement,they want to destroy infidel civilization and everything associated with it.They will employ every means at their disposal to accomplish this including nukes, chem bio,homicide bombers etc.Anybody that thinks otherwise,is in denial.Anyone that thinks that by leaving them alone that the problem will go away(like Bill Clinton and his cronies attempted to do)is tragically underestimating them. I think that they only want to be left alone. They don´t want any other country to interfere with their business. And why should we anyway? clearly the UN don´t interfere with other countries that need it much more than Irak. As far as i know, (feel free to correct me if i am wrong), their Coran says to fight the infidel in the muslim world, not fight the infidel wherever they are. If we totally leave them alone and they continue with terrorism, then i will agree with you. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Gravitymaster 0 #74 April 8, 2004 QuoteQuoteUnfortunately Islamic extremists would like to destroy every vestige of western civilzation,turn back the clock 6 or seven centuries.They do not want accomodation,they do not want appeasement,they want to destroy infidel civilization and everything associated with it.They will employ every means at their disposal to accomplish this including nukes, chem bio,homicide bombers etc.Anybody that thinks otherwise,is in denial.Anyone that thinks that by leaving them alone that the problem will go away(like Bill Clinton and his cronies attempted to do)is tragically underestimating them. I think that they only want to be left alone. They don´t want any other country to interfere with their business. And why should we anyway? clearly the UN don´t interfere with other countries that need it much more than Irak. As far as i know, (feel free to correct me if i am wrong), their Coran says to fight the infidel in the muslim world, not fight the infidel wherever they are. If we totally leave them alone and they continue with terrorism, then i will agree with you. Problem is the Islamo-facists won't stop if they are left alone. The most recent chain of events in Spain are proof of this. The terrorists set off the train bombs before the election and claimed it was because of Spains support for the Iraqi War. After the Spanish elections, Spain announced they were going to pull their troops out of Iraq. Result: More bombing attempts Hatred breeds hatred and then feeds on itself. The philosophy of hate becomes self-perpetuating, self destructive, and an ever changing rationalization. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites skydyvr 0 #75 April 8, 2004 QuoteThey don´t want any other country to interfere with their business. And why should we anyway? "Business" Yea, nice summary. If you saw a guy raping a girl in an alley, would you worry about that "business"? . . =(_8^(1) Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Prev 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 Next Page 3 of 8 Join the conversation You can post now and register later. If you have an account, sign in now to post with your account. Note: Your post will require moderator approval before it will be visible. Reply to this topic... × Pasted as rich text. Paste as plain text instead Only 75 emoji are allowed. × Your link has been automatically embedded. Display as a link instead × Your previous content has been restored. Clear editor × You cannot paste images directly. Upload or insert images from URL. Insert image from URL × Desktop Tablet Phone Submit Reply 0
billvon 2,991 #70 April 8, 2004 >Aw come on Bill. The 40 people who were killed were by the reports >I've read, using the mosque as a military base of operations. What > are our troops supposed to do, let them shoot at us and then let > run into a Mosque to hide? No, we pursue them and kill them. And once that happens often enough, a return to Saddam Hussein is going to look pretty good to Iraqis. >And our "allies" also have a history of releasing Al Qaeda. They have still captured and detained far more than we have, even with Germany's recent release of Motassadeq. > Funny you didn't compare the number of Al Qaeda our allies have >captured to the number we have killed and captured. Roughly 2 to 1. They've killed or captured twice the number we've killed or captured. >Point is not how many are captured, but how many have been sent > to be with the 72 virgins. Why? (Other than it makes you feel good.) >Oh, I hadn't heard they cracked the case. You are positive it was a > US Terrorist group? It came from a US lab. From the BBC: -------------- The anthrax spores enclosed in envelopes mailed to two leading Senate Democrats in October are biologically identical to bacteria secretly manufactured at a US germ warfare facility during the last decade, according to press reports and an analysis by a leading microbiologist. --------------------- So they came from our WMD programs, which is funny considering how much we were worried about Hussein's nonexistent WMD's. >Uhhh... Bill? We have it on good information the Sunnis' aren't >involved. Lead page on CNN: ---------------------------------- Coalition troops battled Shiite militias and Sunni insurgents separately in several key Iraq cities Wednesday, one day after suffering their deadliest ground attack since President Bush declared an end to major combat on May 1. ---------------------------------- Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
skydyvr 0 #71 April 8, 2004 QuoteAnd if it's because of the "inhumanity" of Saddam Hussein, why would we go for either Iran or Syria? Or do the rules change? Why did you put "inhumanity" in quotes? . . =(_8^(1) Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Gravitymaster 0 #72 April 8, 2004 QuoteNo, we pursue them and kill them. And once that happens often enough, a return to Saddam Hussein is going to look pretty good to Iraqis. Your original statement left out the fact these 40 people were firing on US troops. Heres what you said. Quotetoday we killed 40 people in a mosque. Are we still "freeing them from a despot?" At what point do we _become_ the despot? Quite a difference from the fact they wre engaging our troops. The above statement could be taken to sound as if they were innocent worshipers. I'm sure you didn't mean to imply that, right? QuoteThey have still captured and detained far more than we have, even with Germany's recent release of Motassadeq. QuoteRoughly 2 to 1. They've killed or captured twice the number we've killed or captured. Including all the Al Qaeda we killed and captured in Afghanistan? Hmmm.. well I don't have any stats so I'll take your word...for now but I reserve the right to return to this point later after some more research. >Point is not how many are captured, but how many have been sent > to be with the 72 virgins. QuoteWhy? (Other than it makes you feel good.) Isn't that what they want? If it makes them feel good, who am I to judge? QuoteIt came from a US lab. From the BBC: -------------- The anthrax spores enclosed in envelopes mailed to two leading Senate Democrats in October are biologically identical to bacteria secretly manufactured at a US germ warfare facility during the last decade, according to press reports and an analysis by a leading microbiologist. So? Thats pretty flimsy evidence to base such a claim on. Like saying Boeing was responsible for Sept 11 because they made the planes. I'm not saying it wasn't sent by an American, but to make a claim it was an American Terrorist Group is a pretty broad statement. How do you know it wasn't one person with a grudge? QuoteSo they came from our WMD programs, which is funny considering how much we were worried about Hussein's nonexistent WMD's. We weren't as worried about the fact that he possessed them, since we sold him many of them. Just worried about him selling them to terrorists or using them against our allies. >Uhhh... Bill? We have it on good information the Sunnis' aren't >involved. QuoteLead page on CNN: ---------------------------------- Coalition troops battled Shiite militias and Sunni insurgents separately in several key Iraq cities Wednesday, one day after suffering their deadliest ground attack since President Bush declared an end to major combat on May 1. ---------------------------------- It was a joke Bill. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Botellines 0 #73 April 8, 2004 QuoteUnfortunately Islamic extremists would like to destroy every vestige of western civilzation,turn back the clock 6 or seven centuries.They do not want accomodation,they do not want appeasement,they want to destroy infidel civilization and everything associated with it.They will employ every means at their disposal to accomplish this including nukes, chem bio,homicide bombers etc.Anybody that thinks otherwise,is in denial.Anyone that thinks that by leaving them alone that the problem will go away(like Bill Clinton and his cronies attempted to do)is tragically underestimating them. I think that they only want to be left alone. They don´t want any other country to interfere with their business. And why should we anyway? clearly the UN don´t interfere with other countries that need it much more than Irak. As far as i know, (feel free to correct me if i am wrong), their Coran says to fight the infidel in the muslim world, not fight the infidel wherever they are. If we totally leave them alone and they continue with terrorism, then i will agree with you. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Gravitymaster 0 #74 April 8, 2004 QuoteQuoteUnfortunately Islamic extremists would like to destroy every vestige of western civilzation,turn back the clock 6 or seven centuries.They do not want accomodation,they do not want appeasement,they want to destroy infidel civilization and everything associated with it.They will employ every means at their disposal to accomplish this including nukes, chem bio,homicide bombers etc.Anybody that thinks otherwise,is in denial.Anyone that thinks that by leaving them alone that the problem will go away(like Bill Clinton and his cronies attempted to do)is tragically underestimating them. I think that they only want to be left alone. They don´t want any other country to interfere with their business. And why should we anyway? clearly the UN don´t interfere with other countries that need it much more than Irak. As far as i know, (feel free to correct me if i am wrong), their Coran says to fight the infidel in the muslim world, not fight the infidel wherever they are. If we totally leave them alone and they continue with terrorism, then i will agree with you. Problem is the Islamo-facists won't stop if they are left alone. The most recent chain of events in Spain are proof of this. The terrorists set off the train bombs before the election and claimed it was because of Spains support for the Iraqi War. After the Spanish elections, Spain announced they were going to pull their troops out of Iraq. Result: More bombing attempts Hatred breeds hatred and then feeds on itself. The philosophy of hate becomes self-perpetuating, self destructive, and an ever changing rationalization. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
skydyvr 0 #75 April 8, 2004 QuoteThey don´t want any other country to interfere with their business. And why should we anyway? "Business" Yea, nice summary. If you saw a guy raping a girl in an alley, would you worry about that "business"? . . =(_8^(1) Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
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