BethUK 0 #1 April 10, 2004 I think this would only happen in America....no offence but seems a little OTT!!!!!!! I'm really shocked that the police are allowed to do this..... http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/americas/3614651.stm ------------------------------------------------------------ "This isn't flying...it's falling with style!" Buzz Lightyear - Toystory 1 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
WrongWay 0 #2 April 10, 2004 That's just not right. What possible threat to society could a 9 year old girl pose??? Shame. Wrong Way D #27371 Mal Manera Rodriguez Cajun Chicken Ø Hellfish #451 The wiser wolf prevails. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ltdiver 3 #3 April 10, 2004 QuoteLori Ventura, the mother of the child who owns the rabbit, said the girl has been involved in other incidents and needed help. Seems that the other mother was in favor of the police action. Perhaps the 9 year old's parent needed a little help in driving home a morality issue or two. Actually, I support the discipline. Kids need to know there are consequences to their actions. Perhaps, now, this 9 year old will think before she acts and grow up to respect others and their property. ltdiver Don't tell me the sky's the limit when there are footprints on the moon Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
WrongWay 0 #4 April 10, 2004 QuoteLori Ventura, the mother of the child who owns the rabbit, said the girl has been involved in other incidents and needed help. It was the mother of the child who's rabbit she took, not her own. And yes, I agree that discipline was more than necessary, such as a harsh lecturing, spanking, whatever, but not to be arrested. Wrong Way D #27371 Mal Manera Rodriguez Cajun Chicken Ø Hellfish #451 The wiser wolf prevails. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Jib 0 #5 April 10, 2004 It probably had to do with the other incidents and needing help. The ride to the police station was probably just to try to scare her and the charges will probably be dropped. -------------------------------------------------- the depth of his depravity sickens me. -- Jerry Falwell, People v. Larry Flynt Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
BethUK 0 #6 April 10, 2004 I can appreciate that possibly the whole story about this child is not known, but to take her away and place her in a juvenile detention centre for an hour before letting her see her mother??? To take her without her parent in a police car, to question her until she cries, seemingly without her mother present. Im pretty damn sure it just WOULDN'T happen in the UK... Beth------------------------------------------------------------ "This isn't flying...it's falling with style!" Buzz Lightyear - Toystory 1 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Skyrad 0 #7 April 10, 2004 More's the pity! I'm all for them nicking her, like they said they'll proberbly just drop the charges and hopefully she will have a life altering experience. Its because we let children get away with crime when they are young that they turn into delinquent drunk theiving morons when they're in their teens. Juvinille delinquency is ruining the UK. Its time we started getting tough with unlawful youth as well. Bring back the birch! When an author is too meticulous about his style, you may presume that his mind is frivolous and his content flimsy. Lucius Annaeus Seneca Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
MarkM 0 #8 April 10, 2004 When I was about 12 or 13 my friend and I got put in the back of a squad and taken to the station for stealing halloween candy from other kids. It scared the crap out of me and I behaved pretty well after that. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Kennedy 0 #9 April 10, 2004 Police don't arrest people for being a threat to society. They arrest people for breaking the law whent he victim wants to press charges.witty subliminal message Guard your honor, let your reputation fall where it will, and outlast the bastards. 1* Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Kennedy 0 #10 April 10, 2004 QuoteI can appreciate that possibly the whole story about this child is not known, but to take her away and place her in a juvenile detention centre for an hour before letting her see her mother??? To take her without her parent in a police car, to question her until she cries, seemingly without her mother present. Well, considering that to process someone after an arrest usually takes the better part of a day, sometimes more, I'd say a little scare for an hour may help her. I'm getting the impression the kid is one of those growing up with no respect for anything, the law, other people, or herself. I wish scare tactics worked, but most studies have shown they only affect the kid for at the longest a month, then their environment takes over again. QuoteIm pretty damn sure it just WOULDN'T happen in the UK... In the UK (London and other places) they don't even investigate serious crimes unless they look like they will be easily solved. By serious I mean everything up to but not including murder. That's right, if there isn't any obvious evidence left that point straight to the perp, you're shit out of luck and he's off on his merry may. Cheers, mate. witty subliminal message Guard your honor, let your reputation fall where it will, and outlast the bastards. 1* Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
juanesky 0 #11 April 10, 2004 Yeo it happens, and also they once took in the "flashing" rabbit too"According to some of the conservatives here, it sounds like it's fine to beat your wide - as long as she had it coming." -Billvon Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kallend 2,108 #12 April 10, 2004 QuotePolice don't arrest people for being a threat to society. They arrest people for breaking the law whent he victim wants to press charges. How many nations besides the USA still execute people for crimes committed while juveniles? How many nations besides the USA have refused to ratify the convention on the human rights of children? The USA looks pretty poor in the international arena with respect to treatment of children.... The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
tigra 0 #13 April 10, 2004 Sounds like there is a lot more to this story that wasn't reported. I don't think any police department takes arresting a child lightly. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
skydyvr 0 #14 April 10, 2004 QuoteThat's just not right. What possible threat to society could a 9 year old girl pose??? Shame. 9 year olds eventually turn into 19 year olds. . . =(_8^(1) Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Kennedy 0 #15 April 10, 2004 QuoteWhat possible threat to society could a 9 year old girl pose? See for yourself. http://www.ncjrs.org/html/ojjdp/nationalreport99/chapter3.pdfwitty subliminal message Guard your honor, let your reputation fall where it will, and outlast the bastards. 1* Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
BethUK 0 #16 April 10, 2004 QuoteIn the UK (London and other places) they don't even investigate serious crimes unless they look like they will be easily solved. Do you actually know this for a fact or have any evidence to back up this accusation or are you just making stab in the dark guesses as to what happens under other jurisdictions so as to make your own country seem better? As mentioned above the USA does perform very poorly when compared to other countries on grounds of human rights for children...just something for you to think about maybe... I pity you for genuinely beliving there was any point in arresting THIS 9 year old for THIS offence, which equates to the shock I expressed in my original post. ALTHOUGH I freely admit that maybe the whole story behind her may not have been reported in the article...I was basing my suprise on the facts I was provided with. Beth------------------------------------------------------------ "This isn't flying...it's falling with style!" Buzz Lightyear - Toystory 1 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Kennedy 0 #17 April 11, 2004 unfortunately I lost the source when my last computer tower kicked the bucket (along with some really good writing ). Basically London police announced (or maybe it was the local version of the home office announcing it for them) that they would no longer be investigating "certain" crimes if there was no apparent evidence pointing to a suspect. Basically they said their money was stretched too thin, and if there were no leads, it would be immediately discarded to the stacks of unsolved stuff. That kind of thing happens when one in four citizens is victim of a crime. Source Quote1. Based on interviews that took place in the year ending September 2002, the British Crime Survey estimate for the number of crimes against adults living in private households was 12.3 million. This represents a fall of seven per cent compared with the 2001 BCS, which covered crime in 2000. The fall in all household crime was statistically significant (down 10 % since the 2001 BCS); however the fall in all personal crime was not (down 2 % during the same period) [see box below for explanation of statistical significance]. The risk of being a victim of crime (the victimisation rate’) has also fallen over the same period1. The latest figures show that 26.7 percent of adults living in private households, interviewed in the 12 months to September 2002, had been the victim of one or more crimes over the previous 12 months. This compares with 27.6 per cent in 2000 (from the 2001 BCS), which means that the risk of becoming a victim of crime remains historically low, around the same as the first BCS in 1982 (crime in 1981).witty subliminal message Guard your honor, let your reputation fall where it will, and outlast the bastards. 1* Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Unstable 9 #18 April 11, 2004 QuoteLori Ventura, the mother of the child who owns the rabbit, said the girl has been involved in other incidents and needed help. Alright, It seems to me like this girl needs to be taught right and wrong - but for a girl in this case, this YOUNG - putting the kid in "tight" handcuffs and treating her like a hardened criminal is just unacceptable...=========Shaun ========== Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Chrisky 0 #19 April 11, 2004 You can press charges against a 9 year old child in the US????The mind is like a parachute - it only works once it's open. From the edge you just see more. ... Not every Swooper hooks & not every Hooker swoops ... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Kennedy 0 #20 April 11, 2004 QuoteYou can press charges against a 9 year old child in the US? You can press charges against anyone who commits a crime against you, whatever their age. Anyone under 18, however, goes into the Juvenile Justice system, rather than into the adult courts.witty subliminal message Guard your honor, let your reputation fall where it will, and outlast the bastards. 1* Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
skydyvr 0 #21 April 11, 2004 QuoteAs mentioned above the USA does perform very poorly when compared to other countries on grounds of human rights for children...just something for you to think about maybe... Just because it was "mentioned" doesn't make it so. . . =(_8^(1) Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
BethUK 0 #22 April 11, 2004 QuoteHow many nations besides the USA still execute people for crimes committed while juveniles? How many nations besides the USA have refused to ratify the convention on the human rights of children? THIS is true though, so it is correct in saying the USA adopts a pretty slack grasp of human rights in this area.... I am all for giving a child a bit of a telling off or a scare but in this case, the child was treated like a hardened criminal and I find this unacceptable. The fact that the PUBLIC DEFENDER felt this action was too strict when there was other ways of dealing wiht the situation says alot to me... QuoteThe public defender of Pasco-Pinellas, Bob Dillinger, said the deputy could have taken a report and referred the charges to the state attorney, rather than taking such strict action. Beth------------------------------------------------------------ "This isn't flying...it's falling with style!" Buzz Lightyear - Toystory 1 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Skyrad 0 #23 April 11, 2004 Man just as I thought we were going to agree on something you come out with this...... 'In the UK (London and other places) they don't even investigate serious crimes unless they look like they will be easily solved. By serious I mean everything up to but not including murder. That's right, if there isn't any obvious evidence left that point straight to the perp, you're shit out of luck and he's off on his merry may. ' What are you talking about? That simply isn't true.When an author is too meticulous about his style, you may presume that his mind is frivolous and his content flimsy. Lucius Annaeus Seneca Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
JohnRich 4 #24 April 11, 2004 QuoteI think this would only happen in America... From England: Police use curfew to control louts Police in Nottinghamshire have become the first in the country to set up curfew and dispersal zones to combat youths causing trouble in crime hotspots and rundown areas. Officers are picking up and taking home up anyone aged 16 and under found on the streets of the designated areas between 9pm and 6am. Under powers introduced in the Anti-Social Behaviour Act 2003, officers also have the power to disperse two or more youths from within the areas, should they feel they are likely to cause trouble. Anyone who does not live locally will be ordered to leave the area and can be prohibited from returning for 24 hours. Failure to comply can result in a maximum fine of £2,500 or three months in jail... Source: BBC News Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Jib 0 #25 April 11, 2004 QuoteQuotePolice don't arrest people for being a threat to society. They arrest people for breaking the law whent he victim wants to press charges. How many nations besides the USA still execute people for crimes committed while juveniles? How many nations besides the USA have refused to ratify the convention on the human rights of children? The USA looks pretty poor in the international arena with respect to treatment of children. Yeah, it LOOKS like it would suck to be a violent child/criminal in the U.S. But, does it really? I don't think the kid that pointed a gun and shot his teacher in the face is heading for death row. As for the UN convention, the US and Somalia plan to ratify it too. -------------------------------------------------- the depth of his depravity sickens me. -- Jerry Falwell, People v. Larry Flynt Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
