tinfoil 0 #1 April 14, 2004 as the title reads But it makes me wonder how long until we see protests such as the ones that occurred in Vietnam. Or why I haven't seen pictures like these in any newspaper. Or how many innocent civilians have died as a result of American soldiers being in Iraq (in November I heard it was in excess of 2000). “- - Sumo is the greatest of sports. It has power, grace, speed and cluture. And most importantly, two fat bastards smacking the shit out of each other. ” Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
tinfoil 0 #2 April 14, 2004 One more, little different. “- - Sumo is the greatest of sports. It has power, grace, speed and cluture. And most importantly, two fat bastards smacking the shit out of each other. ” Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
beowulf 1 #3 April 14, 2004 Grow up. War means soldiers and some civilians will die. Its not a pissing contest. As long as more enemy soldiers die then american things are going well. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
winsor 236 #4 April 14, 2004 "Old soldiers never die. Young ones do." General Douglas MacArthur Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
turtlespeed 221 #5 April 14, 2004 As was mentioned - wake up - I wonder what the Trade Center bombing did for mortuaries - did they find all the pieces? It is a TERRIBLE thing that soldiers must die in war. But if the world does not take a stand against terrorism and Islam Extremists - there will be many more dead that just the few you see here. Just imagine if you can - The Big Picture.I'm not usually into the whole 3-way thing, but you got me a little excited with that. - Skymama BTR #1 / OTB^5 Official #2 / Hellfish #408 / VSCR #108/Tortuga/Orfun Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
pajarito 0 #6 April 14, 2004 They can’t show that kind of reality TV although they should. They should still show people having to jump from the twin towers in order to escape death by fire. It should still burn in the hearts of Americans and they should be furious. Americans are so weak hearted and naïve! It makes me sick to my stomach. Our country is at war and has been since 9-11. In war, people die. Sometimes, those casualties are civilians. It's always been that way. Technology, as good as we've made it, isn't perfect and cannot prevent that. Those soldiers/marines in those boxes knew it. The guys over there right now know it. Don't dishonor them by insinuating that they died for nothing. Don't dishonor them with weak responses to pictures of coffins. I served in Enduring Freedom and lost a friend who came back in one of those. Those were brave soldiers/marines who fought and died for the cause of freedom and security. Because of them, those Americans mentioned above can continue to live their sheltered lives and continue to criticize the ones who paid the price for it. Shameful but true. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Ron 10 #7 April 14, 2004 Again...Grow up. You don't seem to be posting pictures from 9/11. You don't seem to be posting pictures from suicide bombers that Sadam supported? You seem to only be showing one side...what are you Fox news? War is hell. People die. The simple fact is if Sadam had not been an asshole, or followed the UN resolutions we would not have had to invade. People die in war...go visit the mass graves from the Sadam lunitic, and tell me that the THOUSANDS of people he killed is ok. Don't disgrace the American forces for doing it's job....Get a spine"No free man shall ever be debarred the use of arms." -- Thomas Jefferson, Thomas Jefferson Papers, 334 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
panzwami 0 #8 April 14, 2004 Our country has not been at war since 9/11. It goes much farther back than that, to the USS Cole, the Embassy bombings, the first WTC attack in 1993, etc. The only difference is that now we are doing something about it. Instead of sitting back and hoping something doesn't happen again, we're taking the fight to them. Stopping those efforts now is the worst thing we can do. We have the single greatest armed force the world has ever seen, and we will prevail. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Darius11 12 #9 April 14, 2004 It's funny how people tell you to grow up. I wonder if they would feel the same way if it was them in the coffin. I doubt it. People who have never lived threw a war have no clue what they are talking about. Edit to add: If Iraq had any thing to do with 9-11 ok but Iraq didn't so please let that go. It seems people are just reaching to find a reason. There is no reason the Iraq war was and is a mistake.I'd rather be hated for who I am, than loved for who I am not." - Kurt Cobain Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Ron 10 #10 April 14, 2004 QuoteI wonder if they would feel the same way if it was them in the coffin. I doubt it. Um we would then be dead...I doubt we would have much to say. QuotePeople who have never lived threw a war have no clue what they are talking about. And that goes for both the ones supporting the war and against...so that proves nothing other than war sucks. And for your info...One of my buddies just got back 3 weeks ago. a 1sg in the 82nd...which I was also in. He said it sucked over there. The worst he had been in (And he had been in a few fights). But he also things we do belong there, and that we are doing good. That there are 5-10 % that want us out and they are starting all the problems. The IRA kept the English Army busy for years. So I have a close personal friend that just came back and he thinks we belong there and are doing good. But what would a 1SG that just got back know about anything?"No free man shall ever be debarred the use of arms." -- Thomas Jefferson, Thomas Jefferson Papers, 334 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
SkyDekker 1,465 #11 April 14, 2004 Quoteshould still show people having to jump from the twin towers in order to escape death by fire. What does Iraq have to do with the Twin Towers? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
beowulf 1 #12 April 14, 2004 It woke up the american public to the growing threats around the world. Do we need to wait for another 9/11 before defending ourselves? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
turtlespeed 221 #13 April 14, 2004 I have been to war - Desert Storm - we should have finished it then - But nooooo, we took a political stance - and he went against all of it. Question Darius . . . If you had a bunch of guns hidden in your house that were potentially dangerous to your community, the Police came up, wanting to look around, and you said no you can't come in, and they went and got a warrant - and then you said no, you can't come in - would you not think that they would do it by force? Do you really believe that you would not be arrested? Now add the fact that you have commited MASS MURDER . . . do you think that the police would be cordial?I'm not usually into the whole 3-way thing, but you got me a little excited with that. - Skymama BTR #1 / OTB^5 Official #2 / Hellfish #408 / VSCR #108/Tortuga/Orfun Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
SkyDekker 1,465 #14 April 14, 2004 QuoteIt woke up the american public to the growing threats around the world. Do we need to wait for another 9/11 before defending ourselves? And how was Iraq threatening the US? How come you did not invade Saudi Arabia? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
SkyDekker 1,465 #15 April 14, 2004 QuoteQuestion Darius . . . If you had a bunch of guns hidden in your house that were potentially dangerous to your community, the Police came up, wanting to look around, and you said no you can't come in, and they went and got a warrant - and then you said no, you can't come in - would you not think that they would do it by force? Do you really believe that you would not be arrested? And if I am his neighbour and your stray bullets end up killing my whole family. I think I might be persuaded to pick up a gun or two and try and kill some one. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
rehmwa 2 #16 April 14, 2004 I have nothing to add, the grow up posts went into it just fine Do you have pics of Kuwaiti coffins from a decade ago, world trade center coffins, the buckets they poured the shredded bodies that Saddam's son ordered tortured? Coffins of the kurds (they didn't have coffins as much as they were piled in heaps and buried in the desert, but that's much like a coffin. Do you have pictures of the teenage girls Saddam's sons raped? A few of them aren't in coffins. Certainly, though the nobility of the UN abu$e of the Oil for Food program$ i$ worth the price of a couple of vetos. ... Driving is a one dimensional activity - a monkey can do it - being proud of your driving abilities is like being proud of being able to put on pants Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
beowulf 1 #17 April 14, 2004 Iraq was not living up to their agreements from the first Gulf War. Saddam didn't cooperate and was actively thumbing his nose at the UN. The UN was going to do nothing so the US did something. Don't make a threat you can't follow through with. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
SkyDekker 1,465 #18 April 14, 2004 QuoteIraq was not living up to their agreements from the first Gulf War. Saddam didn't cooperate and was actively thumbing his nose at the UN. The UN was going to do nothing so the US did something. Don't make a threat you can't follow through with. How was this a threat to the US? Iraq had no capability to strike within the US, other than to support a terrorist group to do it from within. On the latter it would look like Saudi Arabia is much better at doing that. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Darius11 12 #19 April 14, 2004 No matter what your friend says (I respect any one who serves there country so there is no tone in that). We went in there for reasons that do not exists. Sadam was not the only crazy guy in power. There is many crazier and much more powerful ones out there. People talk about 9-11. I agree we should get the ones responsible. Can you tell me where does Iraq come in. Osama (who we supported just like Sadam not too long ago) is still out there. So what did these soldiers die for. I know I wouldn't want to die for a mistake. Unless you think that the missiles that president Bush was talking about last night were a treat War does suck I agree with you there. You are also right. Dead people don't talk. But if they did I wonder if they would have wanted to die for a mistake. It is also the biggest copout that are president changes his mind about why we are in there to begin with. Like I said stop reaching there is nothing there. It takes a big man to say he fucked up. The problem is we are stuck with a spoiled brat.I'd rather be hated for who I am, than loved for who I am not." - Kurt Cobain Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
beowulf 1 #20 April 14, 2004 I don't think that Iraq was a direct threat to the US. Iraq was not living up to the agreements made in the first Gulf war. The UN kept letting it go and letting it go. This makes the UN into a big joke. If they can't enforce anything then why would any one respect them. The US can not afford to make threats and not back them up, or else they are just a joke like the UN. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Ron 10 #21 April 14, 2004 QuoteIraq had no capability to strike within the US, other than to support a terrorist group to do it from within. I need no better reason than someone saying they are going to kill me and support people that are trying for me to kill them."No free man shall ever be debarred the use of arms." -- Thomas Jefferson, Thomas Jefferson Papers, 334 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
SkyDekker 1,465 #22 April 14, 2004 QuoteI need no better reason than someone saying they are going to kill me and support people that are trying for me to kill them. Then why aren't you invading Saudi Arabia? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Darius11 12 #23 April 14, 2004 QuoteQuestion Darius . . . If you had a bunch of guns hidden in your house that were potentially dangerous to your community, the Police came up, wanting to look around, and you said no you can't come in, and they went and got a warrant - and then you said no, you can't come in - would you not think that they would do it by force? Do you really believe that you would not be arrested? Quote Ok but what happens when every one tells you I don't have guns and please don't brake down my door. What If I said hey come and search all you want. But then you don't want to wait. So you brake down my door kill me and my family and a few of your men die. Then you see hey he was right he didn't have shit that would explain why no one found any thing. Would you still think you made the right decision. Or would you say hey he was a pot head so fuck him anyway.I'd rather be hated for who I am, than loved for who I am not." - Kurt Cobain Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Ron 10 #24 April 14, 2004 QuoteNo matter what your friend says (I respect any one who serves there country so there is no tone in that). You don't show it. QuoteWe went in there for reasons that do not exists Hi ignoring the UN resolution was not a reason? Uh I think it is, and he did ignore it. The UN was spineless threatend force then didn't put up. With that act the UN has shown it is nothing more than a paper tiger. The US said we will invade unless you comply..They didn't comply, we invaded...Real simple logic there. QuoteSadam was not the only crazy guy in power. There is many crazier and much more powerful ones out there. He was the biggest on the radar, and he was ignoring the UN's efforts to control him. QuotePeople talk about 9-11. I agree we should get the ones responsible. Can you tell me where does Iraq come in. I don't think they do. But they were dancing in the streets when it happend. And they do support terror. QuoteOsama (who we supported just like Sadam not too long ago) is still out there. And we are still looking for him. QuoteSo what did these soldiers die for They died trying to free a country from a tyranical tyrant that tourtured people, used WMD's on his own people and supported terror. They died to make the US safer, and the world a better place. QuoteI know I wouldn't want to die for a mistake No one does...But invading Iraq was not a mistake...Not finishing the job 10 years ago was. Letting him make a mockery of the UN was, letting him support terror for as long as we did was. Letting him kill his own people and use WMD's was. All errors of a prior administration. QuoteUnless you think that the missiles that president Bush was talking about last night were a treat They don't have to be a threat to us..They were a threat, and SH claimed to not have them. So he had a weapon that he was told to get rid of, that he claimed he did, and that he could use against other countries in the region...That region is fucked up enough without missles dropping all over the place. You seem to be missing the simple point..The UN told him to comply,a nd he didn't...Thats all the reason I need. If a cop thinks you have a weapon and yells at you "stop or I will shoot"...If you don't stop and he drops you..Thats your fault even if the perp is found without a weapon. QuoteYou are also right. Dead people don't talk. But if they did I wonder if they would have wanted to die for a mistake. Having served in the military I can tell you that no one wants to die for any reason. But they all signed on the line and willingly offered their lives for the good of the country....Just like I did...Have you? You can sign up...Have you served anything other than yourself? QuoteIt is also the biggest copout that are president changes his mind about why we are in there to begin with. Like I said stop reaching there is nothing there. It takes a big man to say he fucked up. The problem is we are stuck with a spoiled brat. Here you show you know nothing about politics...If he said he messed up...that would be the new Dem party line. The people that really understand the situation know that him saying he was wrong would do nothing other than give the dems power to use against him. Like I said...fell free to join. Call 1800-USA-ARMY for a local recruiter... You talk about how people in the service feel...But you don't know since you have not been there. Unless you have been there I would suggest that you don't try to think how those dead soldiers would think...You have no idea."No free man shall ever be debarred the use of arms." -- Thomas Jefferson, Thomas Jefferson Papers, 334 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites turtlespeed 221 #25 April 14, 2004 QuoteQuoteQuestion Darius . . . If you had a bunch of guns hidden in your house that were potentially dangerous to your community, the Police came up, wanting to look around, and you said no you can't come in, and they went and got a warrant - and then you said no, you can't come in - would you not think that they would do it by force? Do you really believe that you would not be arrested? Quote Ok but what happens when every one tells you I don't have guns and please don't brake down my door. What If I said hey come and search all you want. But then you don't want to wait. So you brake down my door kill me and my family and a few of your men die. Then you see hey he was right he didn't have shit that would explain why no one found any thing. Would you still think you made the right decision. Or would you say hey he was a pot head so fuck him anyway. Everyone? Or the ones that have a deal for you to supply something to them? Only the Countries that had something to gain from iraq's then dictator were in conflict with the us - mostly because they were owed goods services or cash - they knew that thier contracts would be no good if they did the right thing.I'm not usually into the whole 3-way thing, but you got me a little excited with that. - Skymama BTR #1 / OTB^5 Official #2 / Hellfish #408 / VSCR #108/Tortuga/Orfun Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Prev 1 2 3 4 5 Next Page 1 of 5 Join the conversation You can post now and register later. If you have an account, sign in now to post with your account. Note: Your post will require moderator approval before it will be visible. 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Ron 10 #24 April 14, 2004 QuoteNo matter what your friend says (I respect any one who serves there country so there is no tone in that). You don't show it. QuoteWe went in there for reasons that do not exists Hi ignoring the UN resolution was not a reason? Uh I think it is, and he did ignore it. The UN was spineless threatend force then didn't put up. With that act the UN has shown it is nothing more than a paper tiger. The US said we will invade unless you comply..They didn't comply, we invaded...Real simple logic there. QuoteSadam was not the only crazy guy in power. There is many crazier and much more powerful ones out there. He was the biggest on the radar, and he was ignoring the UN's efforts to control him. QuotePeople talk about 9-11. I agree we should get the ones responsible. Can you tell me where does Iraq come in. I don't think they do. But they were dancing in the streets when it happend. And they do support terror. QuoteOsama (who we supported just like Sadam not too long ago) is still out there. And we are still looking for him. QuoteSo what did these soldiers die for They died trying to free a country from a tyranical tyrant that tourtured people, used WMD's on his own people and supported terror. They died to make the US safer, and the world a better place. QuoteI know I wouldn't want to die for a mistake No one does...But invading Iraq was not a mistake...Not finishing the job 10 years ago was. Letting him make a mockery of the UN was, letting him support terror for as long as we did was. Letting him kill his own people and use WMD's was. All errors of a prior administration. QuoteUnless you think that the missiles that president Bush was talking about last night were a treat They don't have to be a threat to us..They were a threat, and SH claimed to not have them. So he had a weapon that he was told to get rid of, that he claimed he did, and that he could use against other countries in the region...That region is fucked up enough without missles dropping all over the place. You seem to be missing the simple point..The UN told him to comply,a nd he didn't...Thats all the reason I need. If a cop thinks you have a weapon and yells at you "stop or I will shoot"...If you don't stop and he drops you..Thats your fault even if the perp is found without a weapon. QuoteYou are also right. Dead people don't talk. But if they did I wonder if they would have wanted to die for a mistake. Having served in the military I can tell you that no one wants to die for any reason. But they all signed on the line and willingly offered their lives for the good of the country....Just like I did...Have you? You can sign up...Have you served anything other than yourself? QuoteIt is also the biggest copout that are president changes his mind about why we are in there to begin with. Like I said stop reaching there is nothing there. It takes a big man to say he fucked up. The problem is we are stuck with a spoiled brat. Here you show you know nothing about politics...If he said he messed up...that would be the new Dem party line. The people that really understand the situation know that him saying he was wrong would do nothing other than give the dems power to use against him. Like I said...fell free to join. Call 1800-USA-ARMY for a local recruiter... You talk about how people in the service feel...But you don't know since you have not been there. Unless you have been there I would suggest that you don't try to think how those dead soldiers would think...You have no idea."No free man shall ever be debarred the use of arms." -- Thomas Jefferson, Thomas Jefferson Papers, 334 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
turtlespeed 221 #25 April 14, 2004 QuoteQuoteQuestion Darius . . . If you had a bunch of guns hidden in your house that were potentially dangerous to your community, the Police came up, wanting to look around, and you said no you can't come in, and they went and got a warrant - and then you said no, you can't come in - would you not think that they would do it by force? Do you really believe that you would not be arrested? Quote Ok but what happens when every one tells you I don't have guns and please don't brake down my door. What If I said hey come and search all you want. But then you don't want to wait. So you brake down my door kill me and my family and a few of your men die. Then you see hey he was right he didn't have shit that would explain why no one found any thing. Would you still think you made the right decision. Or would you say hey he was a pot head so fuck him anyway. Everyone? Or the ones that have a deal for you to supply something to them? Only the Countries that had something to gain from iraq's then dictator were in conflict with the us - mostly because they were owed goods services or cash - they knew that thier contracts would be no good if they did the right thing.I'm not usually into the whole 3-way thing, but you got me a little excited with that. - Skymama BTR #1 / OTB^5 Official #2 / Hellfish #408 / VSCR #108/Tortuga/Orfun Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Prev 1 2 3 4 5 Next Page 1 of 5 Join the conversation You can post now and register later. If you have an account, sign in now to post with your account. Note: Your post will require moderator approval before it will be visible. Reply to this topic... × Pasted as rich text. Paste as plain text instead Only 75 emoji are allowed. × Your link has been automatically embedded. Display as a link instead × Your previous content has been restored. Clear editor × You cannot paste images directly. Upload or insert images from URL. Insert image from URL × Desktop Tablet Phone Submit Reply 0 Go To Topic Listing
