JohnRich 4 #1 April 15, 2004 In the news: A new law regulating the sale of a key methamphetamine ingredient is being praised by law enforcement, but business owners are preparing for hassle and income loss. On Wednesday, Oklahoma Gov. Brad Henry signed into law a bill strictly limiting the distribution of cold tablets and other pills containing pseudoephedrine. The drug is used for cooking meth. Under the new law, stores with pharmacies must keep tablets such as Claritin-D and Sudafed, which contain pseudoephedrine, behind the counter or locked up. Pharmacies must keep track of anyone who buys the tablets by collecting signatures and photo identification... Full Story Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
SkyDekker 1,465 #2 April 15, 2004 two quick posts, did you get your daily email update John? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Shotgun 1 #3 April 15, 2004 I don't see any problem with that, other than that it might be a hassle for the pharmacies. If you have a cold then all you have to do is go to the counter, ask for cold medicine, and present your ID. The only income loss I think they will have is from people who are using it for illegitimate reasons, so if they are unhappy to no longer be making money from meth labs or Nyquil addicts.... who cares? At least they didn't just simply BAN pseudoephedrine... Edited to say: Ok, I didn't even read the full story before replying, but: QuoteThe law does not ban convenience stores from selling gel capsules and liquid cold medicine containing pseudoephedrine because meth cooks are unable to obtain the drug from liquid sources. Convenience store managers say they believe drug companies will begin manufacturing more liquid products so they can be sold more widely than tablets. So actually they can still make money from Nyquil addicts. The liquids and gel capsules seem to work best for colds anyway (IMHO), so this just doesn't seem like a problem at all... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
billvon 3,072 #4 April 15, 2004 >Pharmacies must keep track of anyone who buys the tablets by >collecting signatures and photo identification... I think they should just implant an RFID chip in anyone who wants to buy these dangerous drugs. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Zenister 0 #5 April 15, 2004 already like that in WA...____________________________________ Those who fail to learn from the past are simply Doomed. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
JohnRich 4 #6 April 15, 2004 Quotetwo quick posts So? Quotedid you get your daily email update John? If you have some point you want to make, just be out with it. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
SkyDekker 1,465 #7 April 15, 2004 QuoteIf you have some point you want to make, just be out with it. Just wondering what the point is with posting all these media reports every single day without adding any of your own thoughts or opinions to it. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Lindsey 0 #8 April 15, 2004 This reminds me about a bumper sticker I saw the other day... "Ignore your rights and they will go away" Peace~ Lindsey-- A conservative is just a liberal who's been mugged. A liberal is just a conservative who's been to jail Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
b1jercat 0 #9 April 15, 2004 John's a . . . Personal attack deleted. Post whatever you like about John's opinions or posts, but do not attack John personally. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
JohnRich 4 #10 April 15, 2004 QuoteQuoteIf you have some point you want to make, just be out with it. Just wondering what the point is with posting all these media reports every single day without adding any of your own thoughts or opinions to it. This is a discussion forum. The point is to start discussions. I often don't add my own comments until later, because I don't want to bias anyone's reading of the initial story. Then I'll jump in later and add my 2 cents worth. Is that okay with you now? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
JohnRich 4 #11 April 15, 2004 QuoteJohn's a shit stirrer, and sometimes he has to provide the shit. That sounds like a personal insult to me. Oh moderator? Where art thou? Starting discussions on news topics is not "stirring shit". If you don't want to discuss the items, you are free to ignore them. It's amazing how many people enter a political forum, only to complain about it being full of political topics. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
b1jercat 0 #12 April 15, 2004 No insult intended, but really the only people who would think this worth mentioning are the people who cook meth. Or were you going to to tie this into to a gun thread somehow? ------------------------------------------------------------------- It's amazing how many people enter a political forum, only to complain about it being full of political topics Your ultra right views are well known in post after post. No complaints here John, just stating a fact. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Lindsey 0 #13 April 16, 2004 I've never learned how to cook meth, nor do I own a gun, but I'm concerned because (due to what to me appears to be either ignorance or lack of interest) we are losing our freedoms. Peace~ Lindsey-- A conservative is just a liberal who's been mugged. A liberal is just a conservative who's been to jail Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Zenister 0 #14 April 16, 2004 QuoteNo insult intended, but really the only people who would think this worth mentioning are the people who cook meth. well there are also those of us who happen to have severe symptoms at say 2 am with no 24 hour pharmacy around... its not like they couldnt have just trained cashiers in grocery stores to not allow more than 1 purchace of 'risky' items at a time... and report suspicious repeat offenders... geeeee that might have made sense... soon i'm going to have to start paraphrasing my plt sgt.. "stop making sense, this is america where thats not allowed"____________________________________ Those who fail to learn from the past are simply Doomed. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Jimbo 0 #15 April 16, 2004 Quote but really the only people who would think this worth mentioning are the people who cook meth. And apparently the editor at the Times Record. I'm sure that they didn't print it simply to take up space. QuoteYour ultra right views are well known in post after post. No complaints here John, just stating a fact. Ultra right? Hardly. - Jim"Like" - The modern day comma Good bye, my friends. You are missed. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
b1jercat 0 #16 April 16, 2004 Well it's still an over the counter med, and it comes in other forms off the shelf. Big deal. Around here cooking meth is a cottage industry. The problem besides the users is that if someone is cooking meth in your rental property. they can contaminate the place and make for a very expensive cleanup if it's not condemned outright. I don't think anyone will be inconvenienced except the crank head. blues jerry Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Jimbo 0 #17 April 16, 2004 QuoteI don't think anyone will be inconvenienced except the crank head. It's already been mentioned, it's about more than simply being inconvenienced. You, however, don't seem to get that. - Jim"Like" - The modern day comma Good bye, my friends. You are missed. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
SkyDekker 1,465 #18 April 16, 2004 QuoteIs that okay with you now? Wass ok with me before to, though I don't think it really matters. Just often wonder what the point is behind your posts. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
b1jercat 0 #19 April 16, 2004 You are right, I do not get it. I refuse to believe business owners would find it a hassle or a loss to get meth users off the street. My heart bleeds for the drug manufacturer, who might see a slight drop in sales. blues jery Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
JohnRich 4 #20 April 16, 2004 QuoteNo insult intended, but really the only people who would think this worth mentioning are the people who cook meth. I don't cook meth, and I thought it worth mentioning. So there must be something wrong with this theory of yours. QuoteOr were you going to to tie this into to a gun thread somehow? You are now the first one to mention guns here. QuoteYour ultra right views are well known in post after post. I am pro-choice on abortion, up to a point. And I'm against teacher-led prayer in public schools. So how do those two positions fit with your view that I'm "ultra right"? Once again, your opinion of me is incorrect. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
JohnRich 4 #21 April 16, 2004 Quoteits not like they couldnt have just trained cashiers in grocery stores to not allow more than 1 purchace of 'risky' items at a time... and report suspicious repeat offenders... Even with this I.D. required and central database reporting system, the repeat buyers will just come up with multiple fake I.D.s, and go shopping at multiple stores, using a different I.D. at each location. I predict it really won't solve anything, other than to inconvenience all the honest purchasers. And it'll be fun when the mom with six kids who all catch the same cold, tries to purchase multiple packets of cold medicine to treat all the little kiddies. Will the police come knocking on her door looking for a meth lab? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
christelsabine 1 #22 April 16, 2004 QuoteYou are now the first one to mention guns here. ...,he's saying the magic word: gun you were waiting for this! dudeist skydiver # 3105 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
tbrown 26 #23 April 18, 2004 I take Claritin seasonally for hay fever. Also used Sudafed a few weeks back after I fucked up my ear skydiving, so it wouldn't happen again. Feels good to be in some government file as a dope abuser. Your humble servant.....Professor Gravity ! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
sdgregory 0 #24 April 18, 2004 QuoteNo insult intended, but really the only people who would think this worth mentioning are the people who cook meth. Or were you going to to tie this into to a gun thread somehow? Actually this is more than just a problem for the meth cookers. Think about the bigger picture here. This is just one of the many ways that the government is keeping tabs on you personally. Do you think the government has the right to know how you spend every penny you make? How about the right to know where you go and when? The right to listen to every private conversation you have? The right to know exactly what you watch, read and listen to, and when? Each time they create some stupid law like this under the guise of your safety, you think it is a great idea and do not realize the pandora's box you may be opening. Everyday we give away a little more of our privacy and freedom with bullshit like this. Like grocery stores giving discounts on your groceries just for having a card. What is the real purpose of that? You cannot get the card without showing ID, address, checking information, etc. In reward for giving them a way to track your purchases personally, they take some pennies off the price of a bottle of sudafed, which you had to show an ID just to buy. How much does the public and goverment really have a right to know? How far will it go? What do you need to have happen before you stop letting the government make deicsions for you? Before you say, hey wait, what is the real purpose here? And as far as this story is concerned, do you really think that this is going to stop the production of meth? If you have to show ID to buy it you'll do one of many things to circumvent that little piece of "protection" 1.) Get fake ID's. (Real hard for a meth cooker who is already tied in with criminal elements) 2.) Buy sudafed that fell off a truck. 3.) Hire lackeys to buy your sudafed for you. And this is just some of the ways, I am not even trying to get creative. Anyone could come up with these three solutions to the supply problem. The list could be endless. This is just one more stupid law being passed that most people will think nothing of and then 30 years from now, look back and say, (in whiny voices, in secret because if you question it you'll find the law banging down your door) "How did we lose our rights, freedoms and privacy?" BTW: John is just engaging thought. You have a problem with people engaging thought? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Jimbo 0 #25 April 18, 2004 QuoteYou cannot get the card without showing ID, address, checking information, etc. Actually, you can. I've got one grocery store card that doesn't have any personal information tied it. I simply went to the customer service desk and explained that while I enjoyed shopping at their store, I wasn't crazy about parting with all of the personal information. They gave me a card, no personal information, no questions asked. - Jim"Like" - The modern day comma Good bye, my friends. You are missed. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
