Gravitymaster 0 #51 April 19, 2004 QuoteQuoteThat would be assassination. The difference between assassination and murder is assassination is done for political reasons. Actually it could be both. Since assassination is a form of murder, it is both a murder and an assassination. Then why do you suppose they are different words? Anytime one human being takes anothers life it is murder. It is the intended purpose that seprates the two words. Like "hate crime" is used to descibe a crime targeting a person of certain sexual orientation, ehnicity, race etc. Assassination is used to describe a politically motivated murder. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
christelsabine 1 #52 April 19, 2004 Rudolf Heß was more than 90 years old, when he died. simply due to his age, his heart stood still. this is confirmed. He was the very last prisoner in Spandau. And he was not killed ny any Brits. These were lies simply created by the press media in those days. Go and read the history correct. dudeist skydiver # 3105 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
chuteless 1 #53 April 19, 2004 Yes, his heart stood still. The lamp cord that was tied tight around his throat helped to ensure that. Thats enough to make anyone's heart stand still. He sure was the last one in Spandau....and now both he and Spandau are gone. Bill Cole D-41 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
SkyDekker 1,465 #54 April 19, 2004 QuoteAssassination is used to describe a politically motivated murder. Exactly, so technically it is both a murder and an assassination. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Kennedy 0 #55 April 19, 2004 Didn't he just say that? What are you getting at, or are you just badgering him?witty subliminal message Guard your honor, let your reputation fall where it will, and outlast the bastards. 1* Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
SkyDekker 1,465 #56 April 19, 2004 QuoteDidn't he just say that? What are you getting at, or are you just badgering him? He asked why they are two different words. You guys were all arguing whether it was a murder or an assassination. All I am saying is that it is both. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
christelsabine 1 #57 April 19, 2004 Oh well, now understand: you saw all. or at least, you keep a picture proof hidden of what happened. and oh well, it really makes sense to kill such an old man after so many years in prison. to prevent what? He was the very last one in Spandau. where is your concern on that? dudeist skydiver # 3105 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kiltboy 0 #58 April 19, 2004 I knew a guy that was posted in Berlin who stated that Hess was treated reasonably by the Brits and US but was given sod all by the Russians when it was their turn to guard him. According to him the Russians gave Hess a straw mattress, bread and water and took away his electricity. The Brits would then have to send in Linemen to replace the electrical power to his cell so he could have some prison comforts. I don't know how much truth there is to that, could be all talk, but I did see the cell where he believe he was held when he first jumped into the UK. Cultybraggen camp or the black camp of the north. David Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Faber 0 #59 April 19, 2004 Quotethe bastard is dead. Good job! I doubt there is a long line waiting to fill his shoes yup at the line of people that will do terro even bigger,nice work if you like terro sometimes people just really ask to get their ass kicked which nation would not fight back if 2 leaders were killed like that.. i REALLY hope that Sharron gonna taste his own medicine... who are the teroists in this game??? if you want to fight the evil,then dont use bad fighting teknice like that... Stay safe Stefan Faber Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
happythoughts 0 #60 April 19, 2004 QuoteQuoteAssassination is used to describe a politically motivated murder. Exactly, so technically it is both a murder and an assassination. Assassination seems to be also defined by distance and technology. A person stabs someone in person for political reasons, that's assassination. If you know someone is in a bunker 400 miles away and you push a button to launch a cruise missile...just as dead. Is that person an assassin? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Gravitymaster 0 #61 April 19, 2004 QuoteQuoteDidn't he just say that? What are you getting at, or are you just badgering him? He asked why they are two different words. You guys were all arguing whether it was a murder or an assassination. All I am saying is that it is both. And all we are saying is you are wrong. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
SkyDekker 1,465 #62 April 19, 2004 QuoteAnd all we are saying is you are wrong. really, an assassination is not a murder? I suggest reading that dictionary definition again. It clearly defines assassination as form of murder. An assassination is by definition a murder, though the opposite is not true. Please do tell me where I am wrong. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Gravitymaster 0 #63 April 19, 2004 QuoteQuoteAnd all we are saying is you are wrong. really, an assassination is not a murder? I suggest reading that dictionary definition again. It clearly defines assassination as form of murder. An assassination is by definition a murder, though the opposite is not true. Please do tell me where I am wrong. I've already tried. Why don't you go back and read all my explainations and see if you can noodle it out for yourself. I'd recommend starting with my explaination on why a hate crime is different. Good luck! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
billvon 2,998 #64 April 19, 2004 >And all we are saying is you are wrong. as·sas·si·nate ( P ) 1. To murder (a prominent person) by surprise attack, as for political reasons. 2. To destroy or injure treacherously: assassinate a rival's character. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
SkyDekker 1,465 #65 April 19, 2004 QuoteIt's really not a question of whether you agree with the definition of not. The definition of assassinate per Websters. as·sas·si·nate tr.v. as·sas·si·nat·ed, as·sas·si·nat·ing, as·sas·si·nates To murder (a prominent person) by surprise attack, as for political reasons I'll just bring back your own quote from Websters. So, your point is still that an assassination is not a murder. Funny how your own quote proves you wrong. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Gravitymaster 0 #66 April 19, 2004 Quote>And all we are saying is you are wrong. as·sas·si·nate ( P ) 1. To murder (a prominent person) by surprise attack, as for political reasons. 2. To destroy or injure treacherously: assassinate a rival's character. Please see post #23 and #51. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Gravitymaster 0 #67 April 19, 2004 QuoteQuoteIt's really not a question of whether you agree with the definition of not. The definition of assassinate per Websters. as·sas·si·nate tr.v. as·sas·si·nat·ed, as·sas·si·nat·ing, as·sas·si·nates To murder (a prominent person) by surprise attack, as for political reasons I'll just bring back your own quote from Websters. So, your point is still that an assassination is not a murder. Funny how your own quote proves you wrong. Please see post #23 and #51. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
jakee 1,500 #68 April 19, 2004 Theres one way to settle this... Handbags at 10 pacesDo you want to have an ideagasm? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Kennedy 0 #69 April 20, 2004 He's saying you are wrong for badgering him and implying this line of thought is correct QuoteAnd when a high US office holder is targeted by enemy state and offed, is that a targeted assassination or murder? I don't agree. Political murder is a murder, whether done by state, organization or individual. I do not agree with Hamas methods or politics, but I can not help but feel shamed by Israeli actions. Some how I have the feeling, that US civilians will end up paying a bloody price for Israeli "heroism". Israeli militants are tarnishing the reputation of entire jewish race for generations to come. It certainly is a question wheather I agree or not, and I do not agree. I do not give a f..k about Webster. If you are incapable of understanding, we are discussing the difference between the act of assassination and the act of murder. They are distinctly different in this context, separated by political motivation. You are mistaking murder with all homicides. Murder does not cover all killings of one human being by another. Homicide does.witty subliminal message Guard your honor, let your reputation fall where it will, and outlast the bastards. 1* Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Kennedy 0 #70 April 20, 2004 QuoteMerriam-Webster Dictionary of Law, © 1996 Merriam-Webster, Inc. murder \Mur"der\, v. t. [imp. & p. p. Murdered; p. pr. & vb. n. Murdering.] [OE. mortheren, murtheren, AS. myr?rian; akin to OHG. murdiren, Goth. ma['u]r?rjan. See Murder, n.] 1. To kill with premediated malice; to kill (a human being) willfully, deliberately, and unlawfully. See Murder, n. Quote Merriam-Webster Medical Dictionary, © 2002 Merriam-Webster, Inc. homicide \Hom"i*cide\, n. [F., fr. L. homicidium, fr. homicida a man slayer; homo man + caedere to cut, kill. See Homage, and cf. Concise, Shed, v. t.] 1. The killing of one human being by another.witty subliminal message Guard your honor, let your reputation fall where it will, and outlast the bastards. 1* Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Gravitymaster 0 #71 April 20, 2004 I gave up. I think English isn't his first language. Only explaination I can figure. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
juanesky 0 #72 April 20, 2004 It is not the first time it happens to him...... I have suggested an opthalmologist but it keeps falling on deaf ears."According to some of the conservatives here, it sounds like it's fine to beat your wide - as long as she had it coming." -Billvon Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
SkyDekker 1,465 #73 April 20, 2004 QuoteI gave up. I think English isn't his first language. Only explaination (sic) I can figure. You're right, it is not, but that is somewhat beside the point. Your own quote indicates that assassination is a form of murder. If the three of you would have been able to read past your dislike for me, you would have actually realized that I am agreeing with you. By saying it is both, I indicated that the original question was flawed since you cannot ask whether this is an assassination or a murder since it by definition is both. Assassination is defined as a form of murder by pretty much every english language dictionary. Since this was politically motivated, yes it was an assassination, but that also makes it a murder, which once again makes the original question flawed. I am sorry if my very broken english was not sufficient enough for the three of you to understand that. Juansky, I would be happy to take money from you. You have offered to pay for my glasses before, I guess it is time to put your money where your mouth is. I just spent $348 CAD on new glasses. By today's exchange rate that is $256.52 US according to XE.com. I have a paypal account under skydekker@dropzone.com Let's see if you can back up all your talk with some action Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Faber 0 #74 April 20, 2004 QuoteI gave up. I think English isn't his first language. Only explaination I can figure. will that mean that people that has english as their first language are dumb??? i cant find other explanation stop useing language like that,im one of thouse you considder as not good at english,each time you give a statement as the one you just gave,your attacing me and others here,i dont want to listen to crap like that.... Stay safe Stefan Faber Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Jimbo 0 #75 April 20, 2004 Quotewill that mean that people that has english as their first language are dumb??? Nobody said that, or I think, even implied that. Quotestop useing language like that,im one of thouse you considder as not good at english,each time you give a statement as the one you just gave,your attacing me and others here,i dont want to listen to crap like that.... Get over it. - Jim"Like" - The modern day comma Good bye, my friends. You are missed. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Prev 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 Next Page 3 of 8 Join the conversation You can post now and register later. If you have an account, sign in now to post with your account. Note: Your post will require moderator approval before it will be visible. Reply to this topic... × Pasted as rich text. Paste as plain text instead Only 75 emoji are allowed. × Your link has been automatically embedded. Display as a link instead × Your previous content has been restored. Clear editor × You cannot paste images directly. Upload or insert images from URL. Insert image from URL × Desktop Tablet Phone Submit Reply 0
Faber 0 #74 April 20, 2004 QuoteI gave up. I think English isn't his first language. Only explaination I can figure. will that mean that people that has english as their first language are dumb??? i cant find other explanation stop useing language like that,im one of thouse you considder as not good at english,each time you give a statement as the one you just gave,your attacing me and others here,i dont want to listen to crap like that.... Stay safe Stefan Faber Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Jimbo 0 #75 April 20, 2004 Quotewill that mean that people that has english as their first language are dumb??? Nobody said that, or I think, even implied that. Quotestop useing language like that,im one of thouse you considder as not good at english,each time you give a statement as the one you just gave,your attacing me and others here,i dont want to listen to crap like that.... Get over it. - Jim"Like" - The modern day comma Good bye, my friends. You are missed. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
