christelsabine 1 #101 April 22, 2004 Quote None. I've never felt the need to learn another language. I tend to learn thing that actually have benefit to me. Can you tear apart the engine of a 1956 Chevy Belair and rebuild it? these few sentences just explains all. no need to go into further details. only one thing: i do not know such kind of car, it seems to be an old timer. i would never touch the engine, just taking care on the vehicle and waiting who's offering the best price. then the oldie will be sold. i made good money. this car will not help in in f. e. dangerous situations, but my language knowledges were good enough to help me out of a very critical situation in Puerto Rico. just for example. and hey: when were we friends? do not remember. dudeist skydiver # 3105 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Botellines 0 #102 April 22, 2004 QuoteNone. I've never felt the need to learn another language. I tend to learn thing that actually have benefit to me. Can you tear apart the engine of a 1956 Chevy Belair and rebuild it? Well, i can order beer in Spanish and English, (learning in french as well), so i will never be thirsty in a Dropzone. I can also hit on girls (without much succes to tell the truth) in all America (north and south, exclude some parts of Canada). When i am abroad, i can pretend i am clueless when i don´t want to participate (which always lead to funny situations when they realize i DO understand them). Speaking several languages is always good, and usefull no matter what. Cervantes said that a man is worth for as many languages he speaks (I think he only spoke spanish so i wouldn´t give him much credit, but still). Well, to keep on topic, probably hamas as already another leader. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Darius11 12 #103 April 22, 2004 QuoteI don't agree. Political murder is a murder, whether done by state, organization or individual. I do not agree with Hamas methods or politics, but I can not help but feel shamed by Israeli actions. Some how I have the feeling, that US civilians will end up paying a bloody price for Israeli "heroism". Israeli militants are tarnishing the reputation of entire jewish race for generations to come. I feel sorry and sad. I agree with you 100 percent. If this story was the other way around Hamas targeted and killed Israeli leader every one would call them a scum bag terrorist. The whole Israeli satiation is nothing but hypocrisy. It is sad that more people don’t see that.I'd rather be hated for who I am, than loved for who I am not." - Kurt Cobain Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Botellines 0 #104 April 22, 2004 I think many many people see it like that as well. Israel has broken literally dozen of UN rules, yet the US and other countries still support Israel. However samething for Irak and now it is necesary to overthrown Saddam Hussein. It is all about money and religion. Ironic how the Jews ised to be victimized by the nazis and now they are doing the same thing to the palestinians. One would think that they learned the lesson. Or maybe they learned too well. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
storm1977 0 #105 April 22, 2004 Wow..... Harsh statements, but false!!! Isreal does not have a systimatic approach to killing palistinians, Hamas has one for ALL isrealies Don't you people see the difference? ----------------------------------------------------- Sometimes it is more important to protect LIFE than Liberty Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Kennedy 0 #106 April 23, 2004 QuoteI agree with you 100 percent. Darius, be careful with what you agree to. Here is what he doesn't agree with: QuoteThat would be assassination. The difference between assassination and murder is assassination is done for political reasons. Also, I don't remember anyone calling the chopper pilot a hero. He was a military pilot taking out an enemy (terrorist; the US has done the same thing, or at least tried it). This wasn't Israeli militants, this was the Iraeli military. Do you really think designating terrorist leaders as military targets is wrong? Do you equate that with terrorism? QuoteIf this story was the other way around Hamas targeted and killed Israeli leader every one would call them a scum bag terrorist. The whole Israeli satiation is nothing but hypocrisy. I wouldn't call that a terrorist act, I would call it an assassination (unless it was designed to instill fear in the population, not just kill the leader). Would you say anyone in Hamas is not a "terrorist scumbag?"witty subliminal message Guard your honor, let your reputation fall where it will, and outlast the bastards. 1* Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Botellines 0 #107 April 23, 2004 QuoteWow..... Harsh statements, but false!!! Isreal does not have a systimatic approach to killing palistinians, Hamas has one for ALL isrealies Don't you people see the difference? Palestina is involved in what they see as an unfair war with Israel. I am not going to enter whether they are right or not. That is the way they seet it (and many other people). Israel has a different point of view. The diference is that wether Israel has a powerful army (thanks to the USA) Palestina has none, so they have to use homemade bombs to fight their war. Give them Apache Helicopters, train them to use them, and i assure you that they will stop killing civillians and will go for Ariel Sharon and the leaders. They don´t have a sistematic aproach to kill Israel citizens, it is only that they don´t want to settle the war in unfavorable terms for them. Same thing that with Israel. They are both doing the same thing for the same reasons, the diference is IMO, that Israel is taking something that does not belong to them and Palestinians are defending what is rightfully theirs. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Botellines 0 #108 April 23, 2004 They don´t kill Hamas leader to instill fear among the population. To instill fear among the population they use bulldozer to take down their houses. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Darius11 12 #109 April 23, 2004 QuoteThe diference is that wether Israel has a powerful army (thanks to the USA) Palestina has none, so they have to use homemade bombs to fight their war. Give them Apache Helicopters, train them to use them, and i assure you that they will stop killing civillians and will go for Ariel Sharon and the leaders. They don´t have a sistematic aproach to kill Israel citizens, it is only that they don´t want to settle the war in unfavorable terms for them. I could have not said it better my self. When you have nothing to fight with you make sacrifices and fight with what you have. About Hamas one mans terrorist is another mans freedom fighter. Lets not sit here and pretend that Israel wants peace. If they wanted peace they would have allowed the UN peace keepers to enter the country. The Palestinians wanted them. It is hard to negotiation with someone who kills your youth and then when there done killing your people and destroying your homes they say now it’s over. If someone came to your home and forced you to live as a second class citizen in your own home you would be pissed to man.I'd rather be hated for who I am, than loved for who I am not." - Kurt Cobain Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
storm1977 0 #110 April 23, 2004 Quotethe diference is IMO, that Israel is taking something that does not belong to them and Palestinians are defending what is rightfully theirs. That is where you are wrong .... Isreal is Isreal like it or not, the land was given to them and it is theirs. Sorry, I wish it could be peacefull, it would certainly end a lot of problems in the middle east. Chris ----------------------------------------------------- Sometimes it is more important to protect LIFE than Liberty Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Michele 1 #111 April 23, 2004 In other news, Ariel Sharon announced today that Yassir Arafat is no longer "off limits"... This is going to get hairy... Ciels- Michele ~Do Angels keep the dreams we seek While our hearts lie bleeding?~ Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
billvon 2,998 #112 April 23, 2004 >In other news, Ariel Sharon announced today that Yassir Arafat is no >longer "off limits"... >This is going to get hairy... What makes you say that? Seems a logical extension of their assassination policy. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Michele 1 #113 April 23, 2004 QuoteWhat makes you say that? Seems a logical extension of their assassination policy. It is a logical extension of that policy. Why I think it will get "hairy" is the way it was done - Ariel Sharon had stated he was not going after the "leader" of the PLO, but has now backed down from that position. I am not as up on the current (read, immediate past) events in Israel, or the political issues being faced in the current cabinet (I should be, but I've been otherwise occupied...), and so I don't know exactly what precipitated this. Still and all, it gives me the chills. Ciels- Michele ~Do Angels keep the dreams we seek While our hearts lie bleeding?~ Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
storm1977 0 #114 April 23, 2004 IMO Arafat should have been the first to go...and a long time ago!!!!!!!!!!!! Chris ----------------------------------------------------- Sometimes it is more important to protect LIFE than Liberty Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Kennedy 0 #115 April 23, 2004 QuoteThey don´t have a sistematic aproach to kill Israel citizens, it is only that they don´t want to settle the war in unfavorable terms for them. How can you tell me that with a straight face? Where in god's name did you two get your information on Hamas? They want to establish an Islamic paradise from the mediterrainian to the Jordan river. In case you're not sure where I'm talking about, look at the attached map. In August 1988 Hamas published the Islamic Covenant - its ideological credo. Two english translations can be found here and here. QuoteThe Charter of Allah: The Platform of the Islamic Resistance movement (Hamas)* Peaceful Solutions [Peace] Initiatives and International Conferences Article Thirteen [Peace] initiatives, the so-called peaceful solutions, and the international conferences to resolve the Palestinian problem, are all contrary to the beliefs of the Islamic Resistance Movement..... Sources on Hamas, so that you might gain some idea of what you are talking about. http://www.ict.org.il/inter_ter/orgdet.cfm?orgid=13 http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/middle_east/978626.stm http://www.terrorismanswers.com/groups/hamas.html http://www.yale.edu/lawweb/avalon/mideast/hamas.htm Final word: Anyone claiming anything other than "both sides are to blame" is either ignorant or biased. However, do not try to convince me Hamas is anything other than "terrorist scumbags."witty subliminal message Guard your honor, let your reputation fall where it will, and outlast the bastards. 1* Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Kennedy 0 #116 April 23, 2004 As an aside, I found this amusing.witty subliminal message Guard your honor, let your reputation fall where it will, and outlast the bastards. 1* Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
freeryde13 0 #117 April 25, 2004 yeah i guess thats pretty smooth on the israelis part. i figured they would learn though. after the whole hitler thing they could have been an example of peace and forgiveness and rightousness. but....... we all see how they have responded to their liberation. there's gonna be a whole lot of killing going on over there before a leader on either side realizes peace is the only way to achieve their goals. but i'm personally embarrassed of our presidents policy on the middle east and isreal especially. if the rest of the world condems most israeli actions, couldn't we just obstain from voting instead of vetoing all the time? peace in the midle east....and chicken grease......and palistine will be free one day._________________________________________ people see me as a challenge to their balance Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Michele 1 #118 April 25, 2004 Quoteafter the whole hitler thing they could have been an example of peace and forgiveness and rightousness. but....... we all see how they have responded to their liberation By establishing a nation given them by the Balfour declaration in 1920 (IIRC), but only after they were killed by the millions because of delays and reluctance from The League of Nations, which, when it fell, phoenixed up as the UN, and finally gave the Jews a place of refuge, a homeland...that, had it been done at the time it was proposed, 6,000,000 people would not have lost their lives; they would've had a place to go (remember that boat loads of Jews trying to flee Hitler were denied refuge on many countries' part....). And responded to liberation? Like they were slaves, or indentured, or something? They were free people, horribly oppressed throughout the centuries, but they were free. Their "liberation" came at the cost of 6 million lives...and thousands more in the battle to establish their own country. Too bad that they have to fight for their existance. They should just lay down and die, right? Remember the phrase "never again"? What do you think it applies to?? Geesh. Man, read up on your history - not just the 80's and 90's. Understand the cultural/political/religious issues involved...or at least phrase things so you don't come across as rabidly anti-semitical as you do. (and no, I'm not sure "semitical" is a word...but you know what I mean.) Ciels- Michele ~Do Angels keep the dreams we seek While our hearts lie bleeding?~ Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
falxori 0 #119 April 25, 2004 Quotei figured they would learn though. after the whole hitler thing they could have been an example of peace and forgiveness and rightousness. but....... we all see how they have responded to their liberation. have you read it before posting? you really have no idea what genocide means, do you? yes, there is war here and yes people suffer and it might suprise you but i'd REALLY rather live in an country in which the only risk in taking a bus is a car accident... what do you suggest? not to search ambulances, after many explosives were hidden under the patients' heads? not to search civilians, when innocent schoolboys were used to carry bombs in their backpacks? how about letting women pass unchecked? oh, wait there were more than enough female terrorists who blew themselves up. is it hard for the civilian population? sure, no doubt and i wish there was another way. but what would you have done when every break you give them is used by terrorists? the other solution is complete seperation. we are not there and they don't come to work in israel. is it a good solution? no, they will suffer more because they need israel for economic reasons. and as for your precious U.N, excuse me for not being too impressed with it, the US veto is pretty much what keeps it alive. here are some statistics (from last year), which pretty much shows why israel is always the bad guy in the U.N and why the U.N is a joke. if this seems unfair, just imagine how it would be without the US... ------------------------------ 21 members of the UN are Arab countries, and at least 52 members represent Islamic countries. starting with a few simple facts: -The Arab nations are represented by 21 separate countries, israel is 1. -Of the 189 member nations , 188 may be elected to serve on the powerful Security Council, guess who can't.... and while (valid for mid 03): -Head of Human Rights commission: Lybia -Head of Disarmament: Iraq (recently) -a member if the security council : Syria the UN seems like a joke... here are some statistics from 1946-1990: Security Council: 175 Total Resolutions 74 Neutral 4 Against the perceived interests of an Arab state or body 97 Against Israel General Assembly: Cumulative Number of Votes cast with/for Israel: 7,938. Cumulative Number of Votes cast against Israel: 55,642 How about we take a look at the Human rights commission (was headed by lybia in 2003..) *Israel has been the only state subject to an entire agenda item every year. *The Commission on Human Rights has spent more time on Israel than any other country. The Commission spent two days criticizing Israel and less than two hours on AIDS *While 11 percent of its total substantive meeting has been on Israel alone, 24 percent of its time has been spent on all other UN states combined. *27 percent of its country- specific resolutions critical of a state have been on Israel alone. The real double standards? No resolution in the history of the commission has ever been passed on states such as Syria, China, Saudi Arabia or Zimbabwe. other UN contributions: 1956: Permitted Nasser's nationalization of the Suez Canal 1967: Secretary-General U Thant withdrew UN peace- keeping forces from Gaza 1974: Invited Terrorist Yasser Arafat to address the General Assembly (long before the Oslo process started) 1975: Adopted the infamous resolution equating Zionism with racism 2000: UNIFIL obstructed investigation of Hezbollah kidnapping of Israeli soldiers 2001: Sponsored the anti-Israel World Conference on Racism in Durban, South Africa --------------------------------------------- the Majority is NOT always right, especially when the judge is one sided. "Carpe diem, quam minimum credula postero." Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
juanesky 0 #120 April 26, 2004 QuoteIf this story was the other way around Hamas targeted and killed Israeli leader every one would call them a scum bag terrorist. What part of "Hamas intent is total annihilation of the jewish state by terrorist means" don't you understand? Do you realy think this is an organization whose goal is world peace? Don't leave that part out please."According to some of the conservatives here, it sounds like it's fine to beat your wide - as long as she had it coming." -Billvon Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
benny 0 #121 April 27, 2004 QuoteQuoteThe diference is that wether Israel has a powerful army (thanks to the USA) Palestina has none, so they have to use homemade bombs to fight their war. Give them Apache Helicopters, train them to use them, and i assure you that they will stop killing civillians and will go for Ariel Sharon and the leaders. They don´t have a sistematic aproach to kill Israel citizens, it is only that they don´t want to settle the war in unfavorable terms for them. I could have not said it better my self. When you have nothing to fight with you make sacrifices and fight with what you have. About Hamas one mans terrorist is another mans freedom fighter. Lets not sit here and pretend that Israel wants peace. If they wanted peace they would have allowed the UN peace keepers to enter the country. The Palestinians wanted them. It is hard to negotiation with someone who kills your youth and then when there done killing your people and destroying your homes they say now it’s over. If someone came to your home and forced you to live as a second class citizen in your own home you would be pissed to man. The problem with both of your arguments, well, it's like this, Darius, would you sympathize with the native Americans if they bombed Rhode Island?? No? Why not? I mean, we took the land from them. So umm, yeah, the Palestinians were offered there own state as part of the UN partition plan before Israel declared its independence... What did they say to that? No, all or nothing, of course they had help with that decision from Syria, Jordan, Egypt, all of whom would rather their Palestinian "brothers" be refugees then welcome them in their own lands. It's just not as easy as "we were here first so we're in the right" because the Jews were kicked out of that same land as well... Just a thought. Never go to a DZ strip show. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
mikkey 0 #122 April 27, 2004 As mentioned before - it comes down to the difference between what is "smart" politically and what is "right" morally. It might be right to kill a guy but it might not be "smart" if you want to achieve your goal. We are seeing the same in Iraq - going into Fallujah might be "right" but it is not "smart" if you want to win the "peace' in Iraq. Have a look at the article from the BBC and think about what the collateral damage will do in winning the "hearts and minds".... http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/middle_east/3653223.stm--------------------------------------------------------- When people look like ants - pull. When ants look like people - pray. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
freeryde13 0 #123 April 27, 2004 bahhhhh hahhahahahah!!!@#$%^^$!!!..... damn, tis shits getting alright. anyways....some rambling on and off the subject. if indians bomb rhode island their probrobly right... if someone raped and murdered your family, maybe you 'd get them and their whole family if you could..and you would be right...and wrong. and thats the whole thing with this situation here. if i really see the truth of the situation, the palistinians really are right and have a better argument for their actions......but they can't win......nor can the jews. they're both on a cycle of hate..and there is no resolution to hate. it just gets bigger and bigger. i've gotta believe...all in all that most palistinians and jews just wanna live and do their thing. ....that has to come more out and they'll be allright over there. but both publics are getting caught up in the hype off their governments. wich is a long story in itself....... but i realy don't care who wants to fight who for what. it doesn't efffect my life or world until they come at me or my family, and then ......he he he h e._________________________________________ people see me as a challenge to their balance Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Botellines 0 #124 April 27, 2004 I agree. I don´t see Hamas as Freedom Fighters at all. They both want the whole cake and they don´t want to share. In my opinion they are BOTH terrorist. I just think that it is not good at all for anyone to say that Palestinians are terrorist and Israel not. I would supress all diplomatic relationship to both of them (but humanitariam help) untill they both come to an agreement. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
falxori 0 #125 April 28, 2004 Quotebut they can't win......nor can the jews. nor can the jews ? not that i have a problem being jewish, but there is a difference between israel and "the jews"... Quoteit doesn't efffect my life or world until they come at me or my family, . doesn't effect your life? why? because its not americans? many americans were hit here too. because its far away? terror spreads, and it did hit the US already. Quote and then ......he he he h e. yes? then what will you do? i really hope you'll never have to see the after math of an explosion in a bus like i have. but something tells me that even if you do, you'll still blame Israel and not those who blew the bus up. go figure... O "Carpe diem, quam minimum credula postero." Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
